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I had decided that I didn't think any of the routine shots/tests/etc that hospitals do at birth are necessary and that I wasn't worried about skipping them for my UC, but the Vitamin K thread in B&B has gotten me a lil nervous. Are you guys skipping it? Is anyone still planning on getting it? And if we decided to get it, is it something we could get at the ped or OB office after the birth, rather than having to go to the ER?
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I didn't do it in my UC and won't do it in any others. You can take VitK supplements after the birth and pass them through your breastmilk if you are really worried but there just really isn't much reason to be from what I have read about it.

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That's pretty much how i've always felt, but all the talk about potential brain bleeds got me a lil freaked out. Thanks for getting back to me
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I have usually passed on the shot. I don't think it is necessary in an unmanaged birth, in general. However, with my last birth, the OB pulled on my babies head and left large bruises on him. So, I did get the shot, JIC there was other internal damage I could not see. He did end up with tiny "bleed spots" all over his face and forehead, so I am sure we did the right thing.

However, I will not get it again unless the circumstances warrent it.

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You can order oral vit k drops online if you like--you give 2 drops to the baby soon after birth, again at 2wks, and again at 4wks. The birth supply companies sell it--some of them, anyway.

I agree that a baby who is born bruised (significantly bruised), whether from someone's manipulations or just a rough passage through the pelvis, is one I'd want to see get the vit k. Not so much with an unbruised baby, tho I add that it's not just bruised babies who get the vit k deficiency bleeds, any baby can. Bruising is just one risk factor. But anyway if you get your own, you don't have to worry about going anywhere for vit k.
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I was recently told by a midwife/herbalist to take Alfalfa tablets to help with the stores of Vitamin K of baby and mom (or you can infuse alfalfa in your teas). Which also helps with pp hemm. I ordered them yesterday and am very interested to see the results in helping with clotting after the birth. She said she has seen the bleeding stop so suddenly in women who have taken alfalfa. Very encouraging for me as I too was thinking about Vitamin K, with pp hemm in particular.

I just read to gradually build up the dosage until you are taking 2 after every meal and two before bed. As well as taking a few immediately after the birth, then none for 5 days.
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We're doing the oral vitamin k. I didn't w/ Caden and all was fine but I think it's worth the $26 dollars I spent to have that small peace of mind that we've covered our bases. Just my

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We skipped supplementing with ds #2, and with dd I supplemented myself (though I've been reading that's not as effective as I originally thought) as it was a precipitous labor and there was some bruising. Now with #4, I was unsure of what to do and decided to go with the shot after talking with our family doc (very natural minded). I have extremely fast labors and my doc said that is a risk factor. He suggested we could wait and see, but at this point I just want my mind made up and free to move on to other things I need to address...
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Vitamin K shots are for the 1 in 10,000 children who have a liver disorder that causes clotting problems. The vitamin K shot carries a 1 in 500 chance of the child getting leukemia. Unless there is major bruising without a reason, I wouldn't use vitamin K. I still wouldn't use the shot regardless. I have moms eat vitamin K rich foods for several weeks prior to birth which is what I do as well. Since I've started this I've never had a pp hem nor have I had a baby be born bruised of my own.

My best advice is to research every aspect of it and make your decision based on facts and not fear.
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Sorry, but I have to point out that the studies linking vit k shot to leukemia have been pretty well disproven. As for 1 in 10,000 babies who have liver disorders being the main ones at risk for vit k deficiency bleeding....it may be true that 1 in 10,000 babies have a liver disorder that makes them prone to blood clotting problems, that is only one risk factor. There are several risk factors, although I agree that it appears that very very few babies are at risk all in all. It is not something that I worry about--at all. But still, people DO need the facts in order to decide. And unfortunately the first fact is not so factual....and the second fact mentioned gives only a partial picture.

Interestingly enough, the incidence of vit k deficiency bleeding seems to vary regionally--as high as 1 in 2000 in some places, as few as 7 in 100,000 in others. There was a thread on this in the Birth Pros forum some months back, a handful of studies were noted. I guess it turns out that we just don't have that many hard and fast 'facts' about this problem! It is also true that vit k administration does not prevent hemorragic disease in all neonates anyway--just in enough that has become considered (medically) as a necessity.
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1 in 500 getting leikemia seems a little off to me. Though I think it is great advice to eat Vitamin K rich foods. We never eat enough greens here, or in America for that matter. Yay for veggies!
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Thanks Ms. Black- I too thought the leukemia link was very loose at best.
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I didn't do Vit k. for any of my kids. I just don't think it's necessary and the effects are unknown. The dosage is many thousand times more than a normal adult has and I think it's suspicious to think that normal humans need a supplement at birth. It's another case of treating everyone to save a very few.

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I think of the vit K shot the same way as the eye ointment... like Sijae said... treating everyone to save very few. I just didn't see the point in my UC. With my daughter's birth, they used a suction cup, and she had a bruise on the back of her head for days, so I am sure the vit K was a good plan (though I now know the suction cup was not really necessary, nor was the induction, counted pushing, etc, etc.) so if she had been a UC again I don't think it would have been necessary.

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i bought some oral vit K..... I may use it on me or baby or both i'm just going to play it by ear. And don't forget you can always take baby into hospital afterwards and get one. "oops baby came to fast, hey could i get that vit K shot?"

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my DS had horrible bruising on his head just from being born (he had a rather large - 15 in - head).. i pushed him out, no one pulled on anything or touched him at all and his head was really bruised .. we agreed to the vit k shot for that reason .. if i saw that kind of bruising again it would make me really nervous to not have some kind of vit. k plan in place (eating foods ahead of time, oral vit k, shot, etc.)

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We chose not to do vit K for our UC based on the reading I did during my pregnancy. We ended up with one of the rare cases where there actually were issues with DD's clotting factors 2.5 months after she was born and she ended up spending a night in the hospital and needing numerous blood draws to monitor her reaction to the vit K that was given then. My feeling now is that if we have another baby I'll order some oral drops to give, just for peace of mind.

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clotting factors 2.5 months after she was born
if you don't sharing...how did you know then that there was a problem?

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I didn't do it with my UC's and haven't with some of my HB w/midwife births. I take my babies for a quick check up with our family doc within the first three days after birth (and to get the PKU) and with my first UC I asked our doc at the time about it and he saw no reason to administer Vit K of any kind. He did it at birth for his hospital births, but a few days out what would be the point to start the doses? As a midwife, I offer the oral but don't push it. I don't mind administering it if asked but the only time I would request to administer it is if there is a good bit of bruising that I'm keeping an eye on. There have been reports that link Vit K to jaundice, but they appear to be limited to high doses (25-30mg) given to preemies and to a much lesser extent term infants. Therapeutic doses appear to have no effect on the bili count.
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if you don't sharing...how did you know then that there was a problem?
She started getting bruises from things that hadn't bruised her before (teething necklace, snaps on her diapers, etc.). About a dozen showed up within two days.

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i need to educate myself more on this so i would know what signs to watch for if there was a problem

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if your child is not bleeding they do not need the shot. if you should decide to circumcise then he may need it...

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I didn't do it with any of my kids (one born in hospital after transfer, one born at birthing centre and one UC) I won't be doing it this time either...

 
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I'm not a UC mom so I hope it is OK to post in this thread, but I have been researching this a lot for my birth next month. At first I was going to do oral, but then I read something about it disrupting the virgin gut so now I am back to square one. What I did was look at what populations of people are higher risk for getting a complication and go from there. Of course, if I feel that my birth was "traumatic" in any way I will opt for the shot.

Here is some info I found helpful, but may not all apply for someone who is UPing since they might not know gender or had an anatomy scan, etc but hopefully some of it will help anyone making a decision.

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Early onset hemorrhagic disease of the newborn is very rare. It occurs during the first hours of birth and certainly within 24 hours. (Doesn't apply to UC'ers , but we'll still be in the hospital then so I'm sure they'll notice it) The main risk factor is the use of anti-seizure drugs or a blood thinner called coumadin during pregnancy.(I don't take those)

Classic onset disease is also rare. It develops in breastfed infants within the first week after birth.
The late onset form is seen in infants older than 2 weeks up to 2 months old. It is particularly common in children of Asian descent. (We don't have Asian descent)

Risk factors include:

* Alpha1-antitrypsin deficiency (We don't have Saudi Arabian, Iberian descent, we do have some Northern European)
* Biliary atresia (my anatomy scan did not show this birth defect)
* Breastfeeding
* Celiac disease (most common in women and caucasians, our LO is male and is multiracial)
* Cystic fibrosis (We are not carriers)
* Diarrhea
* Hepatitis (We don't have Hepatitis)
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Thanks for that link. Very interesting info.

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Is the Oral Vit. K available anywhere where vitamins are sold? Do you need a specific type being that it's a NB so a smaller dose is needed than an adult?

What is the dose given and how long after birth?

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I wonder why breastfeeding is a "risk factor"

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abemom2: You can't buy the oral vit K in Canada. We ordered ours from the states here:

http://www.preciousarrows.com/Oral_V..._K_p/44000.htm

It has a 6 month shelf life, so don't order too early.

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I wonder why breastfeeding is a "risk factor"
Most likely because there is less Vitamin K in breastmilk compared to Formula. what they don't seem to take into consideration is the way the body processes it.

There is also the problem that many women switch from one breast to another (as regularly taught by the "experts" to new moms) at every feeding and the baby doesn't always get enough of the hind-milk which is rich in fat and all the fat-soluble vitamins such as Vitamin K...

 
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You can buy it at birthwithlove as well. As mentioned, it does have a short shelf life, so don't buy it before your third trimester.
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From Nursing Times, October 14, 1998: Researchers have found that plasma vitamin K concentrations were at least equal to or significantly higher in babies who are given the new oral form compared to those who are given the vitamin via injection. The oral form is given in doses of 2 mg soon after birth and again four to seven days later. It has been recommended that if the baby is being breastfed, an additional dose be given when it is one month old.
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