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I am pretty sure that it's been said at least two or three times now that BCs and SSNs are only linked in that you need a birth certificate to obtain a social security number, not the other way around. In some, or perhaps all states, the process has been streamlined to the point where you can get the SSN ball rolling with the bc paperwork. This was all said before, and will probably be said again.Originally Posted by mamasmoman
I just finished this ENTIRE thread...and was prompted to read it due to the high post count. The OP just wanted to know if you needed a SSN to obtain a BC. To my knowledge, you do not. If the baby is born outside a hospital/birthing center, the parents go to their local Vital Statistics office and register the newborn there. If the child in born in a hospital/birth center, the parents will most likely get a packet of papers to fill out, one with the option to apply for a SSN AFTER the birth certificate has been issued. A person does need an official proof of birth to obtain an SSN. The easiest way to have this proof is with a BC from Vital Statistics. As for all the rest of the conversation, some of it was thought-provoking, well-written, and informative. The rest I read, but chose not to absorb.
What in the world are you talking about? I don't think anyone is talking about mandatory SSN tattoos.
Again, being "in the database" means absolutely nothing if you do not provide any subsequent data.
Sorry, my PC (either that or this site lol) is going so slowly today that I haven't been able to wade through all 8 pages. I only got to 2. But I was wondering if anyone has asked yet what the "gross!" responses above mean? That's not really, um, descriptive of what you may believe or feel about the statements that proceed it. You know?Originally Posted by BaileyB
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Anonymity and not being taxed, or tracked, etc. is the main reason. As far as bank account, mortgage, getting a job: Bank account in not a big deal. Get a safe in your house, live debt free, pay as you go, etc. Mortgage: buy a for sale by owner home or a rent to own home. Jobs: find a cash only job, etc. There's a lot of illegals with no SSN that get jobs. Or farm, which we do. State ID and driving is the only problem that will have to be worked out.I don't understand why not having a SSN is something to laugh about. Your child would not be able to:
be claimed by you as a dependent on your taxes - not a big deal to me
get government services he may be eligible for as a minor - gross
have a bank account/college savings account opened in his name by you - not a big deal, there are other ways to save
apply for financial aid for college - double gross, watch this first video http://inflation.us/videos.html
get a passport - you couldn't pay me enough money to go through airport crap
get a driver's license - this might be a problem
open his own bank account - not a super big deal
get a mortgage
get a state ID
apply for most jobs
collect social security as an adult (if it's still around) -GROSS!!!
What's the benefit of having your life be so constrained?
I'm not trying to be combative but there are plenty of good reasons not to have a national tracking number.
Your attitude is pretty la-di-da about what might very well be THE MARK OF THE BEAST!! Have you thought of that?! Well, you should.
Originally Posted by serenbat
SSN can NOT be got via a birth Certificate you must show proof of birth- your BC means nothing and they will not except it- the hosp sends proof of birth (different) the physician, MF or a ped can also sign this- they have a form at SS that they give you and it states BC is not excepted --- this is for a young child
we went thru this three years ago
we could not use our BC for our DS and had to have the SS form filled out by his ped
ETA - some states do issue BC for stillborns that is one of the reasons BC are not valid
You are correct in the BCs show proof of birth. The Social Security Administration has published guidelines for what you need to apply for an SSN:
you were posting the same time I was!You do however, have to show that the child lived beyond birth (i.e. proof of identity) and these are the records that can prove identity:
- Adoption decree;
- Doctor, clinic or hospital record;
I should also note additional info that was posted on the Social Security website:Originally Posted by serenbat
you were posting the same time I was!
it's all about a signature on their (SS) form! that is what we needed!
AND just so you know in PA upon death you must have (again only excepted from vital records) proof of death to clear up death related matters (bills, wills, estate issues, etc)
I don't know if something has changed in the past 3 1/2 years, but my eldest did not need to be interviewed, and he was 14. Maybe this is new, or maybe our local office is just that laid back
The whole thread is worth reading. You'll get the answers you desire and thensome!!!!Originally Posted by coffeegirl
Sorry, my PC (either that or this site lol) is going so slowly today that I haven't been able to wade through all 8 pages. I only got to 2. But I was wondering if anyone has asked yet what the "gross!" responses above mean? That's not really, um, descriptive of what you may believe or feel about the statements that proceed it. You know?
The state is supreme guardian of all children, making you the parent, only guardian by it's permission. Since the state grants you guardianship of your child, it can take it away.Originally Posted by Akkarin
Definition of Parens Patriae:
In the United States, the parens patriae doctrine has had its greatest application in the treatment of children, mentally ill persons, and other individuals who are legally incompetent to manage their affairs. The state is the supreme guardian of all children within its jurisdiction, and state courts have the inherent power to intervene to protect the best interests of children whose welfare is jeopardized by controversies between parents. This inherent power is generally supplemented by legislative acts that define the scope of child protection in a state.
(Birth Certificates and Marriage licenses put them in jurisdiction)
I do not believe that "gross" was in reference to people actually in need of government services. I believe it applies to people whom abuse government services. Believe it or not, people have children to get money from the government. Everything they do is to get money from the government....that is sickening.Originally Posted by OSUvet
I just wanted to chime in that while you may find accepting government services "gross", there are situations where you may wish you did not render your child ineligible. My parents are VERY republican in thinking, so I understand where you are coming from. But my brother was rendered a quadriplegic in a car accident. His medical bills, therapy, and life long medical supplies and care probably total in the millions. However you feel about it, I believe he would not be alive and doing fairly well today if it wasn't for government programs. Not something my parents would opt to collect, but in this situation, they are grateful for it. Just something to think about.
I agree with this. I guess I just wanted to point out that although being dependent is not something you want for your child, in some unfortunate circumstance it could be inevitable. I was not taking offense to the statement on my brother's behalf or anything like that.Originally Posted by Akkarin
I do not believe that "gross" was in reference to people actually in need of government services. I believe it applies to people whom abuse government services. Believe it or not, people have children to get money from the government. Everything they do is to get money from the government....that is sickening.