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Hi Im new to all this so ill just give a little background info before asking a million questions. I have 2 kids, DD who is now 6 was born in hospital 8lbs 7oz 21 in. DS who is 19 months born in a hospital 8lb 8.5oz 21.5 in. No issues with either pregnancy. I did not like the treatment i recieved in the hospital either time, and this lead me to researching info about birth since i am now preg. with my 3rd EDD is 7/3/12 and Im having a boy. I had epidurals with both my previous births and also i was induced with the 2nd one. I have now come to believe in the power of my body and having a natural birth. I still feel like i havent gotten over some of the things i went thru in the hospital, and i also feel so betrayed by my doctors. I really wanted a home birth with a midwife this time around but cannot afford it (i am currently on medicaid in my state, i lost my job in jan. and DH hasnt had anything but temp jobs in the last 2 years and currently unemployed) . I wanted a midwife as a "just in case" type thing. I stumbled upon UC this week while reading up on info since i have recently started my training on becoming a doula and placenta encapsulation specialist (PES) and i am very interested in it. Hubby and chatted a bit about the concept and he (as usual) says he will support me in whatever i chose. Im still debating on if this is right for me. Never having a natural birth before Im not sure what to expect but i do know i feel like i cant trust my providers that i am currently seeing and it has recently caused a little depression on my part. When i think of having my son in a hospital it upsets me alot. My hubby had suggested that if we did UC we should transfer to the hospital after the birth. Part of me feels like this would be a good choice, part of me doesnt. I already dont want alot of the routine procedures done to my child even if i birthed in the hospital and i worry that they would be freaking out and trying to do all kinds of stuff to him. We dont vax, dont circ. and i have breastfed both my kids ( i would still be breastfeeding my 19 mo but he quit on his own a few months after i got preg.) For those of you that have UC'd did you or didnt you go to the hospital afterwards, why or why not? I have found a bit on what you need for birth and labor on here and a few other sites so its been helpful, and i found this site http://mamasandbabies.blogspot.com/2010/08/preparing-for-unassisted-birth.html and it helped with a few things as well. Is there anything else anyone can reccomend to help us if we decided that UC is the way we want to go? I do plan on if we choose UC to still continue my current prenatal care, even tho i dont care much for my office and would possibly still have my doula present. The only other thing i worry about is that last week i had my 1 hr sugar test and failed it (this also happened with my son, i then took the 3 hr test and passed it) and i am supposed to take the 3hr test next week. I do feel like this test is unnecassary. I was told i could eat or drink whatever i wanted before the test as long as it wasnt high in sugar, like pancakes or cereal or juice. The morning before the test I had just a little gator aid(a serving has 7g of sugar) and water. When i had to drink that sugar drink it made me so sick, i nearly threw up 3 times, and i felt nauseous and dizzy. when i had the test i was told i needed to be under 120 for my sugar level and i tested at 151. I have never had GD before.  I have had 2 previous pregnancies, one with the same man i am married to now, neither any issues, no one in my immediate family or my husbands has diabetes either. my docs office is now wanting me to do a special diet for 3 days and take a 3 hr sugar test after that. I read this post: http://mamabirth.blogspot.com/2010/12/obstetric-myth-98-you-are-high-risk.html and http://www.gentlebirth.org/archives/gdhgoer.html this is leading me to feel (which i also felt beforehand) that this is all unnecessary and also couldnt even be accurate. Im trying to have a natural preg. as much as possible, but i can decide if i feel like i just dont want to believe that i could have GD or If i believe this is just all underminding me in my birth. Any info from anyone would be helpful.I feel like if you load any person up with all that sugar that doesnt normally have it then of course it would make the test fail. 

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Okay, I'll try to weed out your questions as best I can...

 

I did not go to the hospital after the birth of my twins.  There was no medical need to for any of us, and they probably would have just freaked out and wanted to put them in the NICU for their size and for observation.  It would have been unnecessary stress and a big fight.  Instead I took them to the pedi a week after birth and went to my 6 week postpartum checkup.

 

I always recommend this site:

 

http://www.unhinderedliving.com/childbirth.html

 

 

It might answer or put perspective on some of your other questions as well.

 

 

I personally take the GD test, it's up to you if you want to take it or not.  I have always passed the 1 hour with no problems, so I don't have any experience with GD or not passing.

 

I haven't done enough reading on it to decide if it's truly harmful or not, or at best a useless test, but it has been successfully used to diagnose GD, so I'd rather be safe than sorry, as GD isn't something to mess with.

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I started out UCing pretty much like this, my son was born in the hospital via induction at a learning hospital, WORST experience ever! My voice was never heard except when I told them I was taking a break at different points while I pushed and did so how I felt was helpful and how I wanted which they HATED. The worst part for me wasn't the way they treated me, I could try to get over that, but they took my beautiful son away and kept him in the nursery for FIVE hours!!! Our nursing relationship sucked the first few days, in fact my sister breastfed him since he had such a hard time latching on to me and I breastfed my nephew who was 9 weeks to help draw out my nipples. The nurses were rude and unhelpful with the one I had at the time he was finally brought to me insisting I'd never be able to nurse my baby and that she was going to get a bottle, I had little voice till then but managed to be forceful enough in telling her this baby would be breastfed that she then got a bottle of sugar water instead after asking me if I was gonna starve my baby!

 

GAH!

 

Anyhow, we lost our second babe, Hosanna and even during that the doctors showed their incompetence (long story) so my trust in doctors was nil. I greived for 9 months for our loss and at this time our friends visited as they'd moved out of state but were back for a week or so to visit and it was at this time that she shared her own UC with me. I was in love with her birth story, just her and her husband, their 2 year old had gone off to sleep and then woke to meeting her new little brother. Oh it just had me in AWE, I had no idea there was any other way to have your baby!

 

I was ready to become pregnant now that I had this birth to look forward to. I prayed to my heavenly father and shared my pain and feelings and asked to become pregnant and two weeks later I was! I began planning a midwife attended birth but then found out how much one was after seeing her, it was $4500! I know it's cheaper than a hospital birth but not when you have to pay that before the baby was born!

 

I was so upset and discouraged thinking that now I'd be forced to hospital birth, I kept looking online in hopes of finding a christian midwife but instead found a site about Christians UCing and after reading it that just sealed the deal for me. I began researching and reading EVERYTHING I could get my hands on, birth stories good and bad (read the bad, it's not the most pleasant but you can learn from them and recognize how the complication arose to prevent it for yourself), I also purchased tinctures, shephards purse and hemhalt and a big birth kit which was not really even used so I've skipped it with future births. Now I have a book called Homepathic Medicines for Pregnancy and Childbirth and I already have a host of homeopathics. These can help with pain, discomfort, bleeding, if the baby has issues breathing, etc. and tells how to deal with these issues at home or while waiting for help in emergency situations. I also found this document online with tons of other helpful information that you might like.. Do a google search for "

Dr. Diderik Finne, 2011 Childbirth Seminar Homeopathy" and the link to the document should pop up.

 

 

As far as the sugar test, I'd just relax about it and pay attention to your body and be sure to get magnesium along with other vitamins and minerals. Follow your instincts and your gut, they will tell you when something is off and what you need to do to remedy it.

 

Oh and I NEVER took my babes to the ER or doc afterward. I went to the ER after the first because of retained placenta, then again then next day due to extremely low iron (I should have been 14.4 but was 8.8!) I avoided that last time by drinking coconut water in the days leading up to birth, throughout the labor and during post partum. Drinking coconut water is the equivalent of giving yourself a blood transfusion since it is equal to human blood plasma and has all the building blocks necessary for building new blood.

At three days I did end up going to a doc with my daughter because I was having panic attacks which I'd never experienced before, she'd turned purple twice in the 12 hours after she was born and I was a complete mess with everything going on. I have regretted that choice to this day since the doc seemed nice enough on the phone after explaining everything but once we were there she wanted to have all kinds of tests run to see if her jaundice wasn't cause of getting an infection from our germy home environment. When I went to the lab the lady informed me that that crazy woman wanted FFIVE vials of blood from my daughter!!! I downright refused to that but was accepting of doing the bilirubin count still, until the stupid woman doing it was really rough with my daughter and had her screaming for 5 minutes while I held her feeling like I was gonna take that woman out and not being able to console my baby : ( To top it off the stupid woman botched it and they couldn't get a reading from it so the doc wanted me to take her back again, I refused and decided to get online and learn some more. I decided to wait til after the weekend and spend the next 3 days getting her in the sun more to see if that made a change in her yellow complexion, plus my milk had come in. this doctor kept calling and harrassing us and telling me that I didn't know what I was talking about and how dare I challenge her knowledge from the past 15 years of med school and practice compared to something I read off the interenet. Then she did it, she threatened a call to cps and that was it. I already had them called by a paramedic who thought we were nuts to do it at home and I DID NOT want that again. So on saturday she insisted that I HAD to take my 4 day old to the ER for the test! People at the ER thought it was insane that the doctor insisted we go there and not just wait for monday that it wouldn't be that big a deal which we totally agreed... The doc kept calling on hubby's cell asking if we'd done it yet, if we had the numbers yet, etc. Finally we got the numbers back which were lower than what would be an issue and my husband was so happy to tell that stupid jerk of a doctor the numbers which she had nothing to say and he smiled as he hung up on her :)

 

I learned that time that doctors will push and threaten you even if it was just one seemingly simple visit and made sure that my next UC babe and I did not go through that again. I took all my vitamins including high iodine during the pregnancy and had my coconut water and all was well and went smoothly. She turned two in Jan and actually just saw a doc for the first time and only cause she stepped on something and got it infected deep in the tissue which needed to be lanced and I didn't have the equipment to do it as painlessly as possible at home so we went to the ER.

 

I plan on doing the same with this one, UCing and not taking babe to a doctor after birth unless absolutely necessary.

 

 

Congrats on your babe! I'm also due in July but at the end. I hope you find all the info you need to help you make the best decision for you and your family!


 


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I avoided that last time by drinking coconut water in the days leading up to birth, throughout the labor and during post partum. Drinking coconut water is the equivalent of giving yourself a blood transfusion since it is equal to human blood plasma and has all the building blocks necessary for building new blood.

I am a ucer and live in a tropical country where we drink fresh coconut water all the time. It is very good for hydration and has lauric acid, potassium, etc. But drinking it is NOT the same as a blood transfusion. It has sometimes been used for IV hydration when saline was unavailable. It is great for you but I don't think it will do much for low iron. I also drank a lot during labor and the days after.

 

OP - I took DD to a pedi the day after she was born. He weighed her and tested newborn reflexes, hips, checked out her cord, etc. I would not take her to hospital after birth unless there was a problem. Do you have a pedi/hcp for your other kids that you could use maybe? and trust to not intern her just for being born unassisted? Is there a mw you could hire to just come check you and baby after birth?

ETA - since DD is my first, I did not have a pedi lined up before hand. Tried to, but it didn't work out. The day after she was born we tried calling a few pedis of family/friends, and all wanted to intern her in hospital. I was so paranoid someone was going to take her from me. The pedi we ended up going to is the pedi for some distant relatives who are also mds. I think that connection helped. I like him very much, but I wish I had tried harder to find someone before she was born, although that is a bit hard to do with no other children and not explaining your uc plans... still it was a lot of not needed stress.

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Based on research and reading I did while pregoo with dd1 this is what I came across frequently "By drinking coconuts we give ourselves a instant blood transfusion. " from http://www.youngcoconuts.com/benefits.html.... After experiencing the horrible effects of low iron after my first UC I sent hubby to the store to buy as many coconuts as he could and drank the juice from 3 immediately and a few more the next day, I was feeling much much better a few hours after the first drink and tons better the next day.

 

While on the subject of building blood, Blackstrap molasses is also some very amazing stuff and helps significantly with anemia and building blood as it is also a very highly absorbed form of iron plus it's rich in other minerals and vitamins!
 


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I definitely would not go to the hospital after a UC, thats where you could run into problems.  Spiritual Midwifery by Ina May Gaskin has a section for midwives that will tell you how to do all the reflex tests etc, if you have a ped you can just go there after the birth.  I also recomend The Natural Pregnancy Book by Aviva Jill Romm, this book has a ton of info on nutrition as well as empowering yourself.  Using sea salt to taste increases blood volume, dont listen to anyone tell you to limit your salt intake, just use SEA salt to taste.  Wise Woman Herbal for the Childbearing Year by Susun Weed, is incredibly valuable, I dont know how into herbs you are but this is a good place to start.  You will need some simple supplies, no need to go crazy, but believe in your ability to birth and you will be fine.  We, as women, are built for this.  Personally, I focus on excellent nutrition, I take no tests, I weigh myself and take measurements for my own excitement, I talk to my baby, and love on my husband!       

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Oh and I NEVER took my babes to the ER or doc afterward. I went to the ER after the first because of retained placenta, then again then next day due to extremely low iron (I should have been 14.4 but was 8.8!) I avoided that last time by drinking coconut water in the days leading up to birth, throughout the labor and during post partum. Drinking coconut water is the equivalent of giving yourself a blood transfusion since it is equal to human blood plasma and has all the building blocks necessary for building new blood.

At three days I did end up going to a doc with my daughter because I was having panic attacks which I'd never experienced before, she'd turned purple twice in the 12 hours after she was born and I was a complete mess with everything going on. I have regretted that choice to this day since the doc seemed nice enough on the phone after explaining everything but once we were there she wanted to have all kinds of tests run to see if her jaundice wasn't cause of getting an infection from our germy home environment. When I went to the lab the lady informed me that that crazy woman wanted FFIVE vials of blood from my daughter!!! I downright refused to that but was accepting of doing the bilirubin count still, until the stupid woman doing it was really rough with my daughter and had her screaming for 5 minutes while I held her feeling like I was gonna take that woman out and not being able to console my baby : ( To top it off the stupid woman botched it and they couldn't get a reading from it so the doc wanted me to take her back again, I refused and decided to get online and learn some more. I decided to wait til after the weekend and spend the next 3 days getting her in the sun more to see if that made a change in her yellow complexion, plus my milk had come in. this doctor kept calling and harrassing us and telling me that I didn't know what I was talking about and how dare I challenge her knowledge from the past 15 years of med school and practice compared to something I read off the interenet. Then she did it, she threatened a call to cps and that was it. I already had them called by a paramedic who thought we were nuts to do it at home and I DID NOT want that again. So on saturday she insisted that I HAD to take my 4 day old to the ER for the test! People at the ER thought it was insane that the doctor insisted we go there and not just wait for monday that it wouldn't be that big a deal which we totally agreed... The doc kept calling on hubby's cell asking if we'd done it yet, if we had the numbers yet, etc. Finally we got the numbers back which were lower than what would be an issue and my husband was so happy to tell that stupid jerk of a doctor the numbers which she had nothing to say and he smiled as he hung up on her :)

 

I learned that time that doctors will push and threaten you even if it was just one seemingly simple visit and made sure that my next UC babe and I did not go through that again. I took all my vitamins including high iodine during the pregnancy and had my coconut water and all was well and went smoothly. She turned two in Jan and actually just saw a doc for the first time and only cause she stepped on something and got it infected deep in the tissue which needed to be lanced and I didn't have the equipment to do it as painlessly as possible at home so we went to the ER.

 

I plan on doing the same with this one, UCing and not taking babe to a doctor after birth unless absolutely necessary.

 

 


 

 

We actually hadn't really had anything planned for getting the twins seen after birth, except since the cops were called on me during labor, they had no choice but to file with CPS since children were involved.  So a few days after they were born, they [CPS] came knocking on my door, asked me a bunch of really dumb questions, and basically came to the conclusion that we were sane, good parents, but they did want the babies to be seen by a pediatrician or we faced a case of "inadequate medical care."

 

So that's why we did and will continue to do so to keep our backs covered, but we also do it for peace of mind.  I have all of my kids on Medicaid, so it doesn't cost us anything anyway.  We also got really lucky and got an awesome pediatrician that respects our decisions - he doesn't even bully us around or make us feel uncomfortable at all, and no one freaked out that they were UC babies when we brought them in the first time.

Btw, I am UC'ing with GBS this time (my status was unknown last time), so that is another reason I will want the baby seen soon after birth.

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I am getting ready to have my third UC (5th child). My first was born  in the hospital and like you I hated it thoroughly. I felt like I was just cattle being worked through the line. No one ACTUALLY cared for me...I was just their temporary job. And like you, I wanted to do things as natural as possible but the hospital had so many protocols that it was just so much stress. Seriously the only thing I liked about my hospital birth was that after my dd was born I had the nurses for my servants ;P Outside of that the whole process was horrible. With my second he was born in a birthing center and that was fine for the most part....just way to far away and now is closed.....not that I would go that route again. It wasn't bad, but was just too much of a hassle being so far away (6hrs).
So with my third I started looking into homebirth (we had considered it with my second but didn't feel ready). We interviewed a few midwives (the only ones in the area) and none of them impressed me. My options were now nothing in that department. I talked with my previous midwife about whether she thought I could homebirth and she was beyond confident in me...that kind of gave me the go ahead in my mind. So I started researching UC and after a while, I really felt at peace about it. To me that is the key....peace. If you are not in peace....then find something that gives you that peace.

So to your questions-
First, in regards to your test....I wouldn't be surprised if it was false positive the first time. I know when I took the test with my first, I wasn't allowed to eat anything or drink anything other than water for SEVERAL hours prior. And yes that drink is terrible and made me gag like crazy. I thankfully passed mine, but again, I didn't eat anything for over 12 hrs prior (if I remember correctly).
My guess is that something you ate or drank just caused it to spike up the first time. But if you want peace of mind, you could just do the final test after the specific diet...it may help you find out the truth about it. Although I have never heard of them giving three tests...especially after passing the second one! I don't know a lot of about GD as I have never had it and I don't know how much it would be affect by homebirthing....but I am sure between this site and others, you can find that out.

I personally wouldn't suggest going to the hospital after you birth (unless you or baby has issues).......that can be a kind of hairy situation if not gone about the right way. With my first UC I took my son to the dr within the first week for a check up...they gave me a very hard time and ended up turning me in to child services ( in which the social worker that did our case was like I am not sure why they freaked...it is not illegal to give birth at home and then proceeded to say she would have if she wasn't high risk). But eitherway the whole process was stressful. So with my second UC, I didn't take her in for several months.......basically until after they wouldn't question where she was born. There wasn't an issue at all then. With this UC (happening any day now), I don't plan to take my baby in...unless I feel the need....but I don't forsee it.
 

 

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