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I'm sure this question has been asked before... but why do you choose UC?

I was talking with dh about the concept, because he'd never heard of it. He wasn't particularly concerned about safety, as we both understand that it's not that difficult to pinpoint problems in labor. But he basically just wanted to know... why? What makes you choose UC over the other options? How is the experience different from, say, a homebirth with a lay midwife?

So, tell us curious people what makes you opt for UC.

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There are several good threads on this topic . . . did you try doing a search? It is just hard to answer the same question so often.

We should really have the best thread on this as a sticky.

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I was wondering why there was no sticky, too. Will search later...

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I found this one, but it was kinda contentious. Not as much good info as one of the others that I remember, but hopefully it'll shed some light:

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=578325

HTH.

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What a thread - whew!

I've had a homebirth with a lay midwife with my first and I transferred to the hospital for my second. The homebirth was far less interventive than my hospital birth, but it was still "managed". It just seems to me from my past experiences that with an attendant the birth becomes an "event". I don't want birth to be an event - events are stressful - even good events like a wedding. I want to have my baby the way I would take a crap - to be blunt. A trip to the restroom is not an event.

Events are exciting, and I can totally get making a big deal out of the birth of a child. But it doesn't feel natural to me. Animals don't make an event out of their births. They don't have guest lists and cooregraphed plans, they don't hire a photographer....

Nature doesn't work well when we act unnaturally.

Does that make sense? That's where I'm at. I want the birth of my baby to take place on a *normal* day - I want to be home with my kids and my husband. I want to be sheltered and nourished in our home - like every other day.

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Huh -- somehow I missed that thread first time around. I'll have to go look at it and see if I have anything to add.

Here's a recent "Why UC?" thread: http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=568793

and another: http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=583393
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Thanks... I searched but it was hard to find them!

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Thanks, fourlittlebirds. Those were the ones I was thinking of.

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i'm a very independent spirit and not fond of strangers. it simply doesn't make sense to me to pay someone to be around for something that is very personal and spiritual for me. particularly when it's likely that person will 'take over' and tell me how to birth, rather than simply support my own birthing process.
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I have had three hospital births and each time have felt that I was overcontrolled and during my last birth when I said no I didn't want a shot of pitocin in my leg after a fast vaginal birth I was told I needed it as they injected me.The inexperience of the staff with pain med free births and the aftermath has turned me off.The idea of all the SOP procedures that are done to mamas in labor just because angers me.I did try to do a home birth during my last pregnancy but was turned down by the only MW who served that area becuase I was taking BP meds at the time that was unrelated to pregnancy and actually wnet down during my pregnancy and I am now off of the meds.I thought about UC and lurked but ended up following along with my family's expectations.I am not doing that again unless there is an emergency.I know my body has no problems during labor and I just do not want to deal with hurrying up to get in a car and drive to a hospital while I am contracting having the fools not beleive that I am in labor and trying to hook me up to stuff just because that is the only way they know how to birth.I am staying home and birthing in private and then I'm going to cuddle up in my own bed.

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Great question! I'm with Zoebird! Not only do I want my birth to be peaceful and private, but I couldn't stand for someone else, let alone a stranger, to be managing the birth, telling me what to do, checking my cervix etc. All these things, and even the presence of another person could interfere with my own ability to listen to and focus on what my body, my baby and my intuition are trying to tell me. I am the one birthing this baby and therefore, no one else but me should try to control it.
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I don't have a lot of time to post right now, but you can find several short essays why I chose UC on my blog (http://rixarixa.blogspot.com). I started it a few months before I gave birth (Halloween 2006!!).
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I am sure I have answered this question several times over the last year. But here is my general answer.

I UC because it is what I want. I don't want other people hanging around, telling me what to do, ordering me around. I don't want to have to fight for my rights while trying to have a baby. I don't want anyone with me except my DH and my children. I want a peaceful atmosphere. I want a "normal" atmosphere. I don't want to have to depend on someone else coming "in time" to be there. I don't want unnecessary interventions.

When I have people over, no matter who they are, I feel the need to be "hostess". So I could never relax with a MW or anyone else around. I am also a very private person, a very modest person. And I am not comfortable around other people with minimal (or no) clothing on.

And basically, I am the one giving birth, I want things to be the way I want them; and if I have to leave my home, or if I have to have someone else come into my home to "assist" me, then I will inevitably give in and do things that I do not want to because I don't want to deal with confrontation. So I remove all confrontation by removing all unnecessary persons (that being everyone other than my DH and children).

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This is all very interesting to me - thank you for sharing!

My birth experience (birth center with a midwife) was very positive and serene (she basically left me and Dh alone until it was time to push, and then she guided me when I felt uncertain a few points along the way). So I've never experienced any of the more extreme examples of why some women dislike having a mw or OB present, obviously.

That said, I think the only concerns I'd have (for myself) would be a true emergency (like prolapsed cord or pp hemmhorage), because I remember my state of mind late in labor and I don't think I would have had the inner resources to figure out what to do. I know a lot of women have those bursts of adreneline after they give birth, but I was just worn out! I actually barely wanted to hold my baby after the first few minutes, because I was just so exhausted. Dh had to hold him until I could rest a bit.

Do you have a different experience? Or would you be relying on your partner to get outside assistance if it were one of the rare emergency situations?

I just felt like I was SO much outside my own body and mind during labor that I couldn't have easily come back inside to make critical decisions in an emergency. Of course, I've never been in an emergency situation like that, and maybe instinct would totally take over.

What has your experience been like, in labor? Similar or very different?

Thank you for your willingness to explain your choices... obviously we all have our own personal biases, but I hope that I haven't asked anything in an offensive way.

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i've never been in labor. i've never had a baby. so i can't answer to you specificly. but, i do want to answer this question:

Do you have a different experience?

i do have a different experience. i have noticed in my earth-wandering over the years, particularly since i was 8 or 9, that i have a vastly different experience than many of the woman in my culture. i have a different experience of what is happening (circumstances) and i have a different philosophical perspective than most people.

i am extremely attuned to my spirit and i absolutely cling to what my spirit guides me to do. even if it seems crazy, foolish, or out-and-out insane to an outside person, i am absolutely compelled to trust that spirit above all other things, and to follow the guidence of that spirit. for me, to do otherwise is foolish and imprudent to the extreme.

when i have not followed this spirit leading, i have found myself in circumstances that were not to my liking--internally and externally. i found myself personally alienated from my deepest self, as well as the world around me. i may not have been physically or emotionally wounded, but i knew that i crossed that 'something deeper' and did something that i should not have. it doesn't matter how insignificant.

there have also been times where i have followed this spirit leading even though everyone around me--family, friends, teachers, coworkers, fellow students, fellow religious folks, my culture at large, etc--told me that doing so would be absolutely disasterous and horrific. when i followed that spirit leading, i didn't know what the outcome would be, but it is always miraculous, beautiful, significant, beyond every expectation, and deeply peaceful. And, i often find it impacts other people too--they didn't expect such an outcome either, and it was a miracle for them as well.

because of this, i know that it is imperative that i birth as i see fit. UC makes absolute sense to me and seems perfectly right and perfectly natural. I know that at any moment during the birth that spirit will move me to act accordingly--according to whatever my need may be.

this takes us to this next question--would you be relying on your partner to get outside assistance if it were one of the rare emergency situations?

he too would follow the direction of my spirit--the direction that i would give. if i need his assistance to get outside help, then i would utilize him in that way. that is part of why he is there for me anyway, to be this sort of support. so if the spirit moves me to say i need help, then i'll ask him to get the help that i need. or maybe he'll be the help i need--i do not know.

but i trust my spirit. i know that it knows exactly what to do, what i need, and it will help me every step of the way. So, i'm not at all concerned about it. and there it is.

my husband, as devil's advocate, asks "what if you are incapacitated during birth?"

to which i answered, i deeply also trust his spirit. he is capable of making the right decision for me, and enlisting whatever help he deems is necessary. but again, he's not coming from a point of fear or prior-knowledge, but rather what is arising from his spirit in the moment. he has a natural capacity to make these decisions.

to further this, he said "that is not the question i asked--but rather, when would it be appropriate for my spirit to lead the decision making in this process?" he gave an example of a time when i had doubt about a decision, and his spirit said "absolutely, we must do this" and i trusted that inherently. should this situation arise in birth (self doubt or general doubt) then i would turn to his spirit to support us, particularly if his clarity was able to overide my doubt.

to describe this a bit more, i'll give a common example. in many situations, husbands are nto always "on board" with the wife's decision, nor does he trust her inherent ability and agency to make decisions. his own fears and acculturation cloud his spirit-based decision making process. in many cases, hsubands will adopt pre-determined phrases to 'support' the mother, or use the circumstance as an 'out' to "ha! i was right, now we do what i think i want to do."

to clarify this example, many women during transiton say "i cannot do this anymore!" and husbands are told to say "you are doing it!" or others say "good, then lets go to the hospital." neither of these are independent arisings of his spirit from a point of clarity--but something that is routine or something that is an 'out' for him to get what he thinks he wanted for that birth.

But, if a man is clear about his position--including his natural spirit position to protect his wife and child--then his spirit will provide the correct answer which could be anything from "you're doing great" to "lets go to the hospital."

but one will know it's right when it resonates beyond her own fear and doubt (and exhaustion)--it will resonate with her own calling, to which she is cloudy due to whatever reason. if he is clear, his clarity will ring like a crystal bell, supporting what her spirit is telling her but she is unable to hear.

thus, if i have doubt and he must make the decision, it will resonate with me, and i know that i can trust it inherently--as it comes from the spirit, which within each of us independently is also united in knowledge and purpose.
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I uc'ed because I have, since a teenager, and possibly longer, felt a very strong urge to birth without intervention or interference or demeaning attitudes. I read so many books on childbirth back then, always angry at the way women were being denied autonomous births and being treated like dirt, something in my core self was just reeling at the thought of women going through the brutality and insensitivity, the controlling and potentially dangerous treatment often dished out to them in childbirth( and in other areas of life) I'm still reeling. Still angry. After my first dd was born in hospital after being forced into transferring from my planned hb for nothing more than 'failure to birth in their time limit' I knew that I would uc my next baby. And I did, and with my next too. I attempted to leave the hospital but it was 4am when I got there and I had been transported 70 miles from my home but I would still have walked out if I thought I had someplace safe to go. I felt completely different through uc pregnancy and birth. I wasn't watched, my body wasn't invaded, I birthed in a primal way as felt right for me, outside with uc#1 and in back of a truck with uc#2 but only cos there were no trees outside with #2 and it was pretty cold, December. I mean docs and mw's are very unlikely to 'allow' you to follow your true instincts. I felt confident at all times, I loved that I wasn't scared, I was more excited! I felt the whole experience was mine and mine alone, I was no longer on the birth conveyer belt, I didn't get depressed after probably cos I had a good birthing. I felt very happy with myself for taking the power back and for taking responsibility for myself and my babies. I felt healed after the trauma of the treatment I recieved with my first birth. I wish I could have had more babies cos I would definitely uc'ed. Oh and I just cannot have other people around me at a time like childbirth, I really ,really need to be alone or maybe someone I trust but personally I'd rather be alone.
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My birth experience (birth center with a midwife) was very positive and serene (she basically left me and Dh alone until it was time to push, and then she guided me when I felt uncertain a few points along the way). So I've never experienced any of the more extreme examples of why some women dislike having a mw or OB present, obviously.
Not every choice to UC is based in a reaction to a bad experience with a doctor or midwife. I myself had a very empowering birth with a midwife, and still chose to give birth without a midwife the next two times.

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That said, I think the only concerns I'd have (for myself) would be a true emergency (like prolapsed cord or pp hemmhorage),
That was my only concern as well. I eventually learned enough about these things to know what to do if they were to occur, but also I felt that the risk from them in my case was far less than the risk of the presence of a medical attendant interfering with the hormonal process.

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I know a lot of women have those bursts of adreneline after they give birth, but I was just worn out!
The ability of the body to release adrenaline is not dependent on how much energy the mother is already working with -- it is dependent on the chemical choreography of the birth being undisturbed, and is what gives the mother energy. I worked very hard during my births and was pretty exhausted (my first UC was 32 hours, and my second was two nights of prodomal labor, followed by a third full night of labor before the birth) but because the hormonal process was undisturbed my body was able to send me that burst of adrenaline at the end.

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I just felt like I was SO much outside my own body and mind during labor that I couldn't have easily come back inside to make critical decisions in an emergency. Of course, I've never been in an emergency situation like that, and maybe instinct would totally take over.
Yes, that's the idea. My husband and I have both been in emergency situations in which instinct took over, and we went on auto-pilot. We weren't sitting there all logical and detached, thinking, oh yes, this is what you do that happens. The body reacts automatically with the knowledge it has been born with and accumulated, including intuited, primal, and intellectual. (I've heard midwives say this as well, about emergencies in births they've attended.) I haven't been in an emergency situation in birth, but my undisturbed births were strongly guided by my instinct, which helped keep them normal, and I do believe that in an emergency situation my inner knowing would have guided me to do the most appropriate thing.
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My birth experience (birth center with a midwife) was very positive and serene (she basically left me and Dh alone until it was time to push, and then she guided me when I felt uncertain a few points along the way). So I've never experienced any of the more extreme examples of why some women dislike having a mw or OB present, obviously.

That said, I think the only concerns I'd have (for myself) would be a true emergency (like prolapsed cord or pp hemorrhage)
First, I just wanted to say that I have brought seven living children into this world, and I have had every one of them at home and only one of them with a MW (#5). So I, also, never had any reason to dislike having a MD or OB.

I just remember when I was pg with my first, it didn't feel "normal" to be rushed to a hospital for JUST having a baby. So, when I found out I was pg, I knew I wanted a HB. And quite honestly, I never even thought about a MW. If someone had mentioned one to me (which no one ever did), I would have thought it was an ancient practice no longer used today. I have learned a lot since that time. The one time that I did use a MW it was a waste of my time and money. She was good. Very hands off, just like I wanted. But I had already had four babies without one. The ONLY thing that she did was teach me about an after birth herbal sitz bath. So as nice as she was, I decided I would never have another one. She was only there an hour anyways.

As for your concerns of a prolapse cord or hemorrhaging, they are important to know a bit about, but you don't really have to worry about them. In most of the cases of prolapse and pph, it is medical intervention that has caused it. And by removing the medical interventions, you reduce your danger dramatically.

However, like pp said, in an emergency situation, autopilot usually kicks in and you do what had to be done without even thinking. I have no experience with hospital births, but I have had one birth turn emergency when my daughter was born not breathing. You just do what you have to do without thinking. I have also had my share of non-birth emergencies, and the same thing happens. It is just part of our human nature, I guess.

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Instead of looking at it as "disliking" having an attendant, try on this thought - "I *like* being alone." They are completely different concepts.

Also - not every birth is the same. I felt like I had been beaten with a stick after my first birth. (Even so, I caught my own baby even though I had a midwife and had a 1/2 hour or so of feeling pretty perky.) After my second I didn't have *anything* to complain about - I went to sleep for a few hours, and woke up feeling better than the day before. No stinging when I urinated - no need for a peri bottle, no problem sitting, walking... I was in the hospital and up, showered and dressed before the doctor came in my room to tell me I could stay another day if I wanted.
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I chose UP/UC because I felt capable of taking care of myself and my baby. I did not feel like I needed any help, and to have a near-stranger in my house would have been a real intrusion. Had I needed outside assistance, I would have gotten it, but I was able to handle everything that came up on my own.
Prenatal care from anyone else would have been pointless, since there was nothing I would have consented to that I couldn't do myself.
If I have another baby I think I will hire a doula, because I could have used more physical and emotional support (backrubs, etc). I know enough doulas that I could pay a friend to be there. But having a midwife would take some freedom and control away from me, that I wouldn't want to give up.
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My question is not "Why UC?" but "Why do so many women feel that a natural, normal bodily process requires professionals, medical assistance, technology, drugs, etc?" To me, they're the ones who should be explaining

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Instead of looking at it as "disliking" having an attendant, try on this thought - "I *like* being alone." They are completely different concepts.
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My question is not "Why UC?" but "Why do so many women feel that a natural, normal bodily process requires professionals, medical assistance, technology, drugs, etc?"
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I chose UC because it made sense to me. I am not someone who just knew instinctively that I would birth unassisted. I was not comfortable enough with instinct after being brainwashed into the medicallized birth atmosphere all my life. I did a LOT of research before I had my UC, and everything I came across showed that unless I could find a midwife who would "assist me as needed" as opposed to "birthing my baby", a UC was the only way to go. The more I researched it, the more I felt that I could "midwife myself" if the case arose (i.e. if there was something "off" I could see the signs and make the adjustments necessary..be it unwrapping the cord from the neck, taking something to stop PP bleeding, or knowing when to go to the hospital). I had actually seriously considered studying to become a midwife, but the local climate is horrendous for midwives where I am, and I know I'd get my license taken away in less time than it took to get it for bending the rules~

It is unfortunate that birth has become so medicallized and the spirituality and enjoyment of birth has been stripped away to the extent that it has, be it by fear or by those who have never and will never understand the pureness and beauty of natural childbirth. Unfortunately, that is the way it is, and with every medical "person" brought into your birth, you increase the risk of intervention, and the resulting risks of those interventions.
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I just felt like I was SO much outside my own body and mind during labor that I couldn't have easily come back inside to make critical decisions in an emergency. Of course, I've never been in an emergency situation like that, and maybe instinct would totally take over.

What has your experience been like, in labor? Similar or very different?
I had a UC/hospital transfer. I transferred after 19 hrs labor. I had almost 8 hrs excruciating transition/pushing ctx; apparently it was a small lip of cervix that was taking forever to go away.

Anyway, my experience was both just like yours AND the complete opposite.

When I was at home and laboring, I was in complete control. I was working really, really hard, but I was perfectly aware, totally lucid and tuned into the birth, and very conscious and aware of my state and the baby's state. I finally decided to go to the hospital b/c I felt the baby should have been born by then (with the sensations I'd been having for hours) and because I was becoming exhausted and either needed to get some relief or for labor to be over relatively soon. I don't think it in any way suggests UC is unsafe that I realized when I needed to do something different in labor and chose to call my doctor and go to the hospital.

However, once I was at the hospital, I suddenly discovered how suggestible I was. I agreed to anything and everything. I felt like I had no control unless someone gave it to me. I felt (searching my memories here - these were not conscious thoughts) lost, naive, taken care of. I felt very grateful that all these people were here to tell me what to do and to get this over with (because I was soooooo ready to be done). In the end, little was done except external monitors were placed, the doctor pushed the lip of cervix out of the way, and I pushed the baby out in 25 min. While pushing, I was able to do as suggested ("slow down now and push the baby's head out with little pushes"). I was still conscious, but I could not argue or come out of that haze to defend myself against anything. Dh said he tried to disagree with a couple of things that were happening, but I said it was "okay." He actually said that my level of submission was truly frightening to him; that I didn't expect such a transformation and he'd never seen me like that. I don't remember it quite that way, but I believe him.

So yes and no. The UC part of my birth was mine. I was in complete control, conscious, tuned in, and able to make decisions. I didn't physically feel any different when at the hospital, but suddenly deferred to everyone's "suggestions." That bothers me. I think that's one reason why I'm really considering UC again, even though at first I was hesitant. I know that I would have been able to make a smart, educated, thoughtful, and instinctive decision in an emergency at home. I know what I would have done in a cord prolapse or pp hemorrhage situation - dh and I had discussed both of those, and many others, prior to the birth. I wasn't "counting" on him to handle an emergency unless I became unresponsive, but I think that we would have taken remedial action before that happened. I also felt very strongly that we greatly reduced our risk of any complication arising by having a UC and avoiding medical, psychological, and physiological interference with the birth process.

I don't think it's so much that you would have come back to your own body/mind in an emergency, but that you would never have left. Not in the way that you do when attended by a professional.

That's just how I see it from my own experience, and I've heard very similar stories from others who have had both a hospital birth and UC.

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so how do we sticky this, so we can keep it avaliable to newbies?
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Julia, my hospital birth and UC were TOTALLY different as far as mentality is concerned. When I look back at both, it's just mindblowing that I was the same person. During my hospital birth, I was looking to others to get me through. Active involvement of my husband, direction from the midwife, etc. I felt lost and helpless. This feeling was one reason I chose to UC-I didn't want to have anyone to look to. I wanted to have only myself to count on. My husband was with me, but we'd talked about this ahead of time.

He had no idea where I was during my labor. I was in the pool, and he was snoozing on the bean bag next to it. He had no idea I was in transition. I felt calm, in control. I was tired and in pain, but not afraid or confused like I was with my hospital baby. My mind was in a totally different place, and it is one reason that I would NEVER go back to a hospital unless I truly had to. I don't like feeling like a victim of my own labor, waiting to be rescued. After Grace was born I felt powerful.

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I chose UC because I started listening to what my son was telling me. Had I resisted, I would have had an unplanned UC or a tragic outcome. Perhaps that counts as an "instinctual" UC, but it didn't seem that way to me. I felt that I was in communication with my son from early on in the pg. I was just following what he asked of me, regarding how he wanted to be born. If the next baby wants a planned c-section, I'll go with that. For my preference, I couldn't be happier with uc'ing, and will always choose it as my first option. I love the privacy!
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I think because SublimeBirthGirl here anyway so many women fear having the same experience as Romana9+2 - endless hours of bone-crunching excrutiating agony.
Birth is protrayed as being something akin to torture.
And the big fear that something will go wrong with them or their baby that they cannot cope with.
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