I just can't figure out exactly what a mom with good hygeine and nutrition in a clean environment would be passing on through a limp, dead cord, possibly one that had even been tied off first. This is what I had envisioned, but maybe that's too big of an assumption. Of course I believe sanitation in general to be a valid issue. I'm just having trouble seeing this in particular to be overwhelmingly dangerous.
|Sorry, but I find your reasoning here bizarre. Why would the mother's mouth be different than someone else's mouth? Mouths are mouths.
There's not a difference between the mother's bacteria, and other people's when it comes to the babies exposure? Why do birthing attendants wear gloves? Wash their hands? It's not to limit exposure to foreign
bacteria? I'm not trying to be antagonistic. I'm trying to figure out what I'm missing. I was planning on either lotus birth or cutting the cord with sterile scissors myself, and I'm not really encouraging anyone to bite or considering biting the cord myself. I would however like to continue the dialogue regarding the cave woman concept and how much of that adds to the safety/validity/empowerment/whatever aspects of uc and what takes away from it.
There's no studies on this that I can find anthropological, or scientific. And I've witnessed argument among midwives as to whether even the cord you tie with has to be sterilised. Some think it incredibly important, and some find it ridiculous.
|stone tools are not necessarily a problem- if you have a freshly chipped obsidian knife- it is going to be clean-- obsidian scalpels are used medically because of the fine lines they can cut and less inflammation - and you can boil an igneous rock- it can take heat fine--
That's pretty cool, but in the absence of obsidian, are there other clean options? Are traditional cultures still using these methods? I'm just curious.
|do I think that a mouth has bacteria in it yep, and do I want to colonize my baby's cord stump with that flora - not for me , but I think that some people probably have good oral flora -- in the Foxfire books there are people who could breath into a baby's mouth and clear up thrush- so I think that their mouth flora is going to be fine-
Ha! I do get that. I don't think my oral flora is nice enough to clear up thrush, myself.
|my comments on tetanus have more to do with range of what can happen with cords-- in the places where they cut the cords "long" the stump is more susceptible to becoming infected with tetanus-- and tetanus as a problem has been greatly reduced even in the last 10 years- it can be prevented to some degree with topical antibacterial agents or atleast that is what the recent studies are saying- the push for the longest time has been toward vaccinating moms- because a mom will pass on immunity to her newborn--
I apologize for taking your words out of context. However my point was that there are indeed other factors in play in the societies Beth mentioned. We're not just talking about one time contact of the stump with an unsanitary object in Africa or wherever else this is an issue. We're talking about prolonged exposure in unsanitary conditions with people just beginning to figure out what is involved and what will help.
I just think it was a bit unwarranted to jump to the conclusion that biting the cord = horrible infection risk without bringing in any other factors, such as when or how it is done.
With that in mind I have questions for Dulce. Were you considering tying it off first? I think it would be hard to bite it close to the baby. Would you leave it however long you bit it? or bite as a sort of ritual moment, and then tie and cut closer to baby later on?
I still find the concern about infection here overblown, but I could be wrong. I would love to see something more concrete that might change my mind.