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#1 of 22 Old 01-17-2009, 08:13 PM - Thread Starter
 
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Looking for opinions/experience with applied kinesiology or muscle testing.

I have an 4mo. ds with bloody stool and the TED isn't working. And my ND has suggested we try this. But dh us so not sold on the idea, not sure I am either.

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I found it surprisingly correct, especially given that I hadn't asked our chiro to do it, he just did when I went in with my son (2wks-ish at the time) for a follow-up visit for me. He's the one who first said that gluten, some dairy (plain milk not ok, but cultured/fermented like yogurt and cheese were ok) and chocolate were problematic. But it wasn't 100% accurate, here was our breakdown:

he said--
me: milk and chocolate bad, cheese/yogurt (fermented/cultured dairy) ok
daughter: gluten, milk and chocolate bad, cheese/yogurt ok
son: gluten, milk and chocolate bad, cheese/yogurt ok

In reality--
me: gluten and all dairy bad (but gluten and fermented/cultured dairy seem to be mercury toxicity related, no gastro symptoms or any sort of normal bad reactions)

daughter: gluten and milk are bad, haven't seen chocolate be bad, cut out remaining dairy to keep the household the same but no concrete issues that I think were cheese/yogurt related so I think he was right on this one

son: gluten, all dairy, chocolate and cashews are bad (was surprised with the chocolate, that caused a face rash that I didn't notice until more than a year later because he wasn't getting a lot of chocolate)--and, he has different reactions to real milk (vomiting) vs cheese/yogurt (mercury-toxicity related, no gastro/rash/normal problems)--and I don't think our chiro checked any nuts, I think he was just testing his basic most-likelies list

So to me, it seemed like he was more accurate than guessing should've produced, but somehow I think he was almost asking the wrong questions for the gluten/cheese type foods for our situation. Based on our experience with it, I'd say it's worth a good try.

One thing to consider (not sure if you already have) is food chemicals, things like salicylates and amines and phenols and such. Diets like Failsafe and Feingold address some of these, I think. I'd think the your ND would have to be familiar with these in order to ask correctly.

There's also a link somewhere to a video someone made on how to use a crystal to basically do this on your own. Several people have had great success with that. Since our list is short and well-defined at this point, I haven't done it myself.
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Applied kinesiology is great... or at least as good as the provider.
Here's a link to the crystal testing thread: http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=908247

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it proved accurate for us...cranky toddler on lap...

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Applied kinesiology is great... or at least as good as the provider.
ditto this. I have seen it be very accurate...even blindly compared to blood tests. It's only as good as the person doing it though. Sadly, I have NO idea how you determine their competence without doing it.
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I had it done quite a while back. Only things I reacted to were wheat and sugar. I had to INSIST that the doc (chiro) NOT test for nuts as I already know I am allergic. He kept wanting to test for it I had to keep insisting NO. I thought that was odd. I dont' eat nuts anyways so it didn't make a difference and why chance a reaction.

I don't seem to have a wheat issue myself (have been GF for over 2 years) but I do think sugar may be causing me to have yeast issues.

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our applied kinesiologist is awesome! we have been working with her for 3 plus years now, since my son was 5 weeks old. when i did get a blood test, it didn't show anything that she hadn't already told me. that said, i strongly echo others in that you have to find a skilled practitioner. i think that is the difference between "bogus or helpful," as you put it. good luck!

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I had it done quite a while back. Only things I reacted to were wheat and sugar. I had to INSIST that the doc (chiro) NOT test for nuts as I already know I am allergic. He kept wanting to test for it I had to keep insisting NO. I thought that was odd. I dont' eat nuts anyways so it didn't make a difference and why chance a reaction.
Why would you have a reaction from testing? I read that and was guessing that your practitioner wanted a frame of reference. If you KNOW you are allergic he could feel what your body does with that level of reaction. It was just for him, most likely. I'm just not sure what you are saying....do you pay by the food he tests and would have been charged more if he had done nuts? Please forgive my confusion....I think I'm missing something.
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It's not scientifically proven. And while that's not important to everyone, I do consider it.

Furthermore, my experiences with applied kinesiology have shown it to be absolutely inaccurate, useless, and with more than subtle shades of quackery.

Your experience may vary.

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So, should a practitioner of applied kinesiology have a certain degree or certification that I can look for?

I'm about to go to a Certified Nutrition Counselor (CNC) who has another series of letters after her name that I can't fathom the meaning of: EFT-CC. What could that stand for?????

She's supposedly going to tell me which supplements I need based on muscle testing. I'm feeling a bit skeptical.

What letters should she have after her name to show she's been properly trained in applied kinesiology?
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It definitely depends on the practitioner. I didn't think the ND I went to was accurate at all (she said I was fine with gluten; clearly I'm not). But the osteopath we go to is great, and we tested everything he did, with DS's own muscle testing (holding the food in both hands at his solar plexus and asking the questions), and they matched exactly. It was quite bizarre.

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It's not scientifically proven. And while that's not important to everyone, I do consider it.

Furthermore, my experiences with applied kinesiology have shown it to be absolutely inaccurate, useless, and with more than subtle shades of quackery.

Your experience may vary.
Yeah, my experiences weren't so stellar either, with two different practitioners.
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But the osteopath we go to is great, and we tested everything he did, with DS's own muscle testing (holding the food in both hands at his solar plexus and asking the questions), and they matched exactly.
Matched exactly to what?
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The osteopath did the pressing down on the arm one while asking the question (AK). A friend of mine told us we could do muscle testing ourselves by having my son stand and hold the food in question with both hands, right in front of his solar plexus. He then asks the question (we use, will I react badly if I eat this food?) and he sways forward for yes and backwards for no. The osteopath was doing the questions in his head, and then he had DS do it out loud. And the responses matched for everything. The osteopath was actually really surprised that OURS worked.

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We just went last week and had it done on myself and my 17 month old. It was, eh, interesting. He was totally right on, and did throw a few surprises my way. It was really cool to watch/feel it, and he knew nothing about us going in, but did right away know our issues.

We are mostly going the medical route since my son does have hard core GI issues (malab issues), but...we see a very alt thinking pedi and she has sent us to very conservative specialists.

I dont think its totally bogus, but, I really wouldn't put too much thought into it. We went as a kind of last resort...and will be incorp his recommendations into our already limited diet. Overall, I'm glad we went. It was nice to see someone from a different background that also can see that my DS and I are struggling.
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I'd be curious to know, of the folks who felt that muscle testing accurately diagnosed their child's problem foods, how many believed in the technique going in, and how many were converts. Likewise, of those who feel it did not accurately describe their child's problem foods, how many went into the process with skepticism.

We haven't done it. Have considered it, but I myself am more on the skeptical side, but I want to believe.
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Hmm. We had a chiro who dx my DS2 with a gluten intolerance using this technique. As far as I recall (this was 3 yrs ago or so) I never eliminated gluten, as I was a total skeptic then. I'm still skeptical but enough open minded now that I'm wondering if going gluten free would be the place to start with DS.

It's interesting to hear how many of you have had positive experiences.

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You know, he told us to cut out corn. And for the first time, DS pooped and it wasn't mucus, and it wasn't foul, it was just poop. FORMED poop. :
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In my experience it is very very accurate and helpful, but only as good as the practitioner (as others have mentioned) -- and how they word the questions is very important.
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It's funny, I had it done when I was in college by a bizarre woman, and I don't think it was accurate at all. So when my ND did it last year, I was very skeptical, and she did gluten because I asked her to, and she said it was fine (not). And she did it to figure out the homeopathic stuff, neither of which worked. So when my friend told me how to do the muscle testing ourselves, I was skeptical, and had DS start doing it, without telling him what he was doing. And it was DEAD ON. So I was still sort of skeptical when the osteopath did it, and he was skeptical of ours. And then they matched, so we were both surprised.

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It's funny, I had it done when I was in college by a bizarre woman, and I don't think it was accurate at all.
The moral of the story: don't have it done by bizarre women and you'll be fine.
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I'm about to go to a Certified Nutrition Counselor (CNC) who has another series of letters after her name that I can't fathom the meaning of: EFT-CC. What could that stand for?????
EFT stands for Emotional Freedom Technique. This is a technique I have both studied and of which I've been a client. This is a WONDERFUL technique that can be used to clear many things, including allergies.

The "CC" part I'm not sure for what that stands. It may be a now outdated reference to a certification that an EFT Master used to offer. (Gary Craig, the founder of EFT, has recently come out with special certification exams in order to mandate who really knows their stuff WRT to EFT and who doesn't.)

If you want to learn more about EFT, I recommend visiting this site. http://www.emofree.com You can find tons of testimonials and may download a free PDF manual in order to teach yourself the extreme basics of the technique.

HTH!
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