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I really need to try some beet sugar. Has anyone used it? Is it yummy? Would it work in my muffins? (I can use honey... but they're just not as good as with cane sugar.)

Yeah- I can mail you some for sure. PM me your address. Just keep in mind that they've been in my fridge for a few weeks, so it will take a few batches to get them going again.

Any other allergy mamas want some grains? I seriously have a ton.
It's just like cane sugar, only the source is different. I had never used cane sugar in my life, prior to moving to the US. If you run across the border, you can probably find beet sugar in any Canadian grocery store under the brand name "Roger's". Their icing sugar uses corn starch, though, and they mix their brown/yellow sugar with cane sugar molasses. You might be better off ordering it from Amazon, or someplace though... There's apparently only 1 facility that produces beet sugar, the other 2 produce cane, from what I just read on their site. I guess I just lived in a lucky province that we always got beet.
I'd love some grains, but I don't know what to do with them or anything, so I'll pass for now.

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Also - I bet you could use beet sugar for it... $3/3lbs on amazon.
Yikes- I just went to look at this.... and it's only $9.99 for shipping.

Maybe I will see if my HFS can order some.

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I'd love some water kefir grains. :


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I'd love some water kefir grains. :


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You got it. PM me your address.

I'm glad these will go to good homes. I put a post on the "got kefir grains & scobies" thread (that seemed to have disappeared from the TF forum) that I would give them to anyone local, but I was too lazy to mail them. Of course no one has responded...

And for you ladies- I will gladly get over my laziness to share my grains. Plus, DD and I have been getting out for a walk almost every day (thanks to my remedy!) and the post office is just a short walk away.

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Yikes- I just went to look at this.... and it's only $9.99 for shipping.

Maybe I will see if my HFS can order some.
I just emailed Roger's (Lantic) to see if I can find out more information about how to know which processing plant (you'd be looking for the Taber plant) their sugar is from. Hopefully, I will hear back soon.
I'm not even sure if you'd be willing to go into Victoria to get the silly stuff but I figured it wouldn't hurt to ask anyway.

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Yikes- I just went to look at this.... and it's only $9.99 for shipping.

Maybe I will see if my HFS can order some.
Oh snap!

One of my HFS carries other stuff by that same brand. I was going to see if they could order me some. If they do, I will totally ship a bag to you 1st class mail.

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ooh, i want to try beet sugar too. i wonder if that would work for us.
cs, you just throw your grains in succanat water and they triple like that? i havent trialed succanat yet. i have been using organic cane sugar and mine barely do anything. i might be leaving them too long though, i do 3 days cause i want them to eat up all the sugar so dd doesnt have issues.

if we get together for a picnic, can kathy cook and can cs make some rum and blueberry drinks?
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I second the fatigue/anxiety/depression/sleep issues - adrenal/thyroid connection!

I'm getting so confused with all my MTHFR research... My head is swimming with methylation and sulfur amino acids and salicylates and how everything says I should have high homocysteine but I don't and...

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Yeah, I'm using ridiculously expensive local, raw honey. But I tried another honey once (not raw), and it seemed like DD reacted, so I've been too scared to try another one.
This thread is crazy!

CS... this is TOTALLY consistent with what I was reading today! I wonder.....
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This thread is crazy!

CS... this is TOTALLY consistent with what I was reading today! I wonder.....
Crazy how?

whoMe, I seriously need to start doing that on one of my blogs. (Yes, ONE of my poor, neglected blogs.)

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I'm getting so confused with all my MTHFR research... My head is swimming with methylation and sulfur amino acids and salicylates and how everything says I should have high homocysteine but I don't and...

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cs, you just throw your grains in succanat water and they triple like that? i havent trialed succanat yet. i have been using organic cane sugar and mine barely do anything. i might be leaving them too long though, i do 3 days cause i want them to eat up all the sugar so dd doesnt have issues.
Yep, they LOVE the sucanat. And it's made from sugar cane too, so if you're good with cane sugar you should be fine with sucanat. It's just less processed than cane sugar. Mine don't do much in just the organic cane sugar either.

On another note- I finally (after seeing the suggestion on another thread) put my kefir on my water heater to brew, and they are finally REALLY working. Like bubbly just overnight, where in my kitchen it would take 2 full days to start seeing bubbles. So if yours aren't doing much, I would try to find a warmer spot. And get some sucanat.

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This thread is crazy!

CS... this is TOTALLY consistent with what I was reading today! I wonder.....
Ooh- what were you reading? How is that consistent?? Waiting eagerly to soak up some of your knowledge.

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I second the fatigue/anxiety/depression/sleep issues - adrenal/thyroid connection!

I'm getting so confused with all my MTHFR research... My head is swimming with methylation and sulfur amino acids and salicylates and how everything says I should have high homocysteine but I don't and...

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Cool site. Would love to read more about how salicylates could interfere with vitamin K. My personal theory, that I just came to relatively recently, was that the symptoms I'm seeing in my family that I view as related to vitamin K are also consistent with the mildest version of von Willebrand's disease. The serious types of VWD are pretty serious, and that's not us, but the mild type is usually missed--but my interpretation (instead of this being a chronic and/or weird/bad genetic "disease") is that it's an inefficiency we have in being able to use K, so we need more than most people, but VWD varies a lot in severity, so I'm wondering if good nutrition and homeopathy could lower our K need (maybe next kiddo) so that we could get it from food--right now it's WAY more than we could get from food, even great food. Wow, horrible run-on sentence. But so it was interesting to get an alternate vitamin K theory right now, it's worth looking into (I need to look specifically into salicylates because looking at the site removing all food chemicals, the fats are problematic and I'm not sure I am willing to do the work on the meats for the amines).

And obviously I'm onboard with the fatigue/anxiety/depression/sleep issues adrenal/thyroid stuff, I've done it all! But it seems like, for each of us, there's a combination of supportive "stuff" now, dietary modifications/supplements/lifestyle things, what-have-you, but then also figuring out what the bigger root causes were and addressing those.
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Ooh- what were you reading? How is that consistent?? Waiting eagerly to soak up some of your knowledge.
it was about phenolytic compounds and pollen. I dont' know that I'll get to post tonight but I will try.
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i have been using organic cane sugar and mine barely do anything.
I just thought of something else- when I use cane sugar, I put in about 1 T. of molasses and the grains love it.

But alas.... it seems that I am reacting to the cane sugar in the water kefir. I was hoping I wouldn't since I'm letting it brew for 2 days. Oh well. Back to making really expensive honey water kefir.

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PB, the information you're sharing regarding phenolytic compounds, homeopathic remedies, etc... Has there been a study published on it yet? I'm asking because it sounds suspiciously like what my allergist said he was researching and said he was hoping to publish within the next year (that was in April).

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Yep, they LOVE the sucanat. And it's made from sugar cane too, so if you're good with cane sugar you should be fine with sucanat. It's just less processed than cane sugar. Mine don't do much in just the organic cane sugar either.

Just wanted to 2nd the sucanant (thanks to CS recommendation!)
I'm on my 4th brew with this batch of grains, and it was fizzy/bubbly on my second batch after 24 hrs, and has been consistent like this each time.
I haven't brewed for exactly 48hours yet, I'm still experimenting with the times.
I'm still undecided wether it's a pass too, DS sleep has improved slightly (to a normal person of course they think the amount of times he gets up to eat is insane, but to us, it's an improvement!) I'm just waiting for the poop report to know for sure....
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re: local, raw honey.

We can ONLY do raw honey. Even local & filtered is not okay. Although, there is one local guy who does "starthistle" honey that no matter what (raw, filtered, etc) we seem to react to.

So, if we want the kind we don't react to, it's something like $10 for a tiny jar (8 or 10oz maybe?). Honey is truly a delicacy around here.

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man, I feel so inadequate. I can't even understand what all this stuff means. I'm still trying to figure out what we're reacting to, and include a couple TF healing measures. I don't get all this other HCl, phenolytic compounds, etc. business. :

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man, I feel so inadequate. I can't even understand what all this stuff means. I'm still trying to figure out what we're reacting to, and include a couple TF healing measures. I don't get all this other HCl, phenolytic compounds, etc. business. :


Some of us are just further along the road than you. You are essentially where I was in Nov 2007. I feel for ya mama. In case it's unclear, all I'm saying is that I've had 15m to experiment, observe, read, research, and post here.

Please lean on us, ask questions, etc. We are here for you! (all of you: we are all here for each other. i.e. delurk, lurkers!!)

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Changingseasons I would love some grains.

I thought my son was sleeping better but he was up at 4am talking in his sleep, laying on me, wanting to get up. I finally got up with him at 5:30. GAH! I'm about to go wake up my DH and go back to bed.

The only thing I can think of is corn. We haven't cut that out and it didn't show up on the IgG test, but he had a bunch of corn chips yesterday.

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We're doing a peanut butter trial today; wish us luck!

DD1 just told me the following after her first bite of PB in over a year... "It tastes like 100 miles of yum!"

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PB, the information you're sharing regarding phenolytic compounds, homeopathic remedies, etc... Has there been a study published on it yet? I'm asking because it sounds suspiciously like what my allergist said he was researching and said he was hoping to publish within the next year (that was in April).
yes, there's been a book published as well as research. There was at least 100 trials done by one doctor. I talked about it in the "Nancy Drew" thread. There is a company that has dedicated their research to it. I'd guess he's seen that.
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I just thought of something else- when I use cane sugar, I put in about 1 T. of molasses and the grains love it.


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re: local, raw honey.

We can ONLY do raw honey. Even local & filtered is not okay. Although, there is one local guy who does "starthistle" honey that no matter what (raw, filtered, etc) we seem to react to.

So, if we want the kind we don't react to, it's something like $10 for a tiny jar (8 or 10oz maybe?). Honey is truly a delicacy around here.
Ugh. That's what I'm afraid of. I really want to order a gallon from Azure, but what if DD reacts? Then I have a gallon of honey and nothing to do with it. But she's definitely reacting to the cane sugar in my kefir- she slept like sh!t last night... The other reason why I need a cheaper honey is because it is like crack to me. I eat it by the spoonful. But I don't think it's a you're-allergic-to-what-you-crave thing, at least I hope not... I don't show any symptoms from it, and DD doesn't either.

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PM me your address. Same disclaimer as above... they tend to get yeasty being cooped up in a plastic bag while they're mailed, plus they've been in my fridge for a while. So give them a good few batches before expecting anything to happen.

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We're doing a peanut butter trial today; wish us luck!

DD1 just told me the following after her first bite of PB in over a year... "It tastes like 100 miles of yum!"
WOW. I can't even imagine how exciting and yummy that is. I'm quite afraid that peanut butter is something that I will never taste again.

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So forgive a newbie, but what is it about cane sugar that would cause a problem? The sugar itself or something it might be contaminated with?

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So forgive a newbie, but what is it about cane sugar that would cause a problem? The sugar itself or something it might be contaminated with?
Could be a couple things. First, just a plain ol' allergy to sugar cane. It comes from a plant, so just like any other plant, can be allergenic. Not a very common allergy, but it's possible.

The other thing is that if you have candida overgrowth, it could be feeding the yeast and the yeast could be causing symptoms.

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I really need to try some beet sugar. Has anyone used it? Is it yummy? Would it work in my muffins? (I can use honey... but they're just not as good as with cane sugar.)

Yeah- I can mail you some for sure. PM me your address. Just keep in mind that they've been in my fridge for a few weeks, so it will take a few batches to get them going again.

Any other allergy mamas want some grains? I seriously have a ton.
beet sugar tastes just like cane sugar. It does look more sparkly though. I haven't tried making it into confectioners sugar yet though, but I will. DS can have it (DD2 can't) so I only use it in stuff that's only for him so far.

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