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What's safe to do while bf'ing, what's best avoided, and why?

Obviously, we first want open detox pathways. But after that, what do we need to watch out for so that we don't overburden our LO's?

I've read that starting up methylation can mobilize toxins, but I don't know how.

Lemon juice in water can dump badness to breastmilk, but I still want to know the mechanism.

Kombucha is supposed to mobilize toxins as well.

Also, what are some things that will bind toxins and can only be helpful? I'm thinking clay, calcium d glucarate, vitamin C...

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When you're thinking about supp-ing for methylation (or another pathway) are you reading about glycine? Took me a while to realize that glycine was the important thing in TMG and DMG, and it's something my HCP brought up as maybe now I can add in if I want (I was asking for what's the next step for me when we talked last week). I don't understand why supp-ing glycine would be different than, say, B vitamins or minerals, which I did supp at rather high levels while nursing, and my HCP recommended it, and I can say that my son's vitC need consistently, slowly, went down while doing it.

I don't know much about _why_ things work.
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What I've read:
-glycine is the AA of choice for the amino acid conjugation pathway
-glycine is one of the 3 AA's in glutathione
-serine is turned into glycine in the process of recycling folate after it's done its job in the methyl cycle
-TMG also donates a methyl group in the methyl cycle
-gelatin (connective tissue/bone broth) is a great source of glycine

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Do you get glycine from eating gelatin straight? Such as, if I make Knox gelatin and eat it, do I get glycine? If I use it in marshmallows, is there glycine in that too?

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Great thread and one of my passion! Subbing so I can come back. I think THIS is the thread that is going to allow people to put things into practice with reactive babes. You are the best!
is that you, pb? we missed you. i was going to start calling circuses looking for you
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How on earth did you figure out it was pb?

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glycine, huh?

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What I've read:
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Glycine foods: Vitamin B-15 or DMG or Di Methyl Glycine or Pangamic Acid: Best Bet Food Sources-- Pumpkin seeds, sesame seeds, brown rice, meat.

High protein food contains good amounts of glycine and is present in fish, meat, beans, and dairy products.

Top 200 food sources of glycine: http://top200foodsources.com/Nutrients/Glycine/516/g

Comprehensive list of vitamins and food sources:
http://ezinearticles.com/?Best-Bet-F...mins&id=419425


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Ok, I'll ask here.

Can taking an iodine supplement like Iordoral mobilize toxins even if you are low in iodine?

Also, does alpha lipoic acid mobilize toxins?

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I gave my version on the other thread. Night ladies!
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I chimed in over there as well.
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Wait! I will re-type/expand in the spirit of keeping threads on-topic.

Iodine: my understanding (and sonnambula seems to agree, so she doesn't feel any need to re-type in her extraordinarily tired state) that iodine can mobilize heavy metals like mercury and halogens, and my guess is maybe even more in deficient people. If we'd been full-up of iodine all along, our bodies would've had more tools to get rid of these toxins all along, so we wouldn't have gotten up to these levels.

Now--I have too much mercury in me, and at least the potential to have excess halogens (I wasn't careful about what I ate at all) and I didn't have any bad symptoms when I started taking Iodoral (a high-dose iodine supp). No idea I shouldn't just jump right in while nursing, and the only thing I noticed was a slight decrease in my hypothyroid symptoms, nothing I could see in my son, but I am assuming I mobilized toxins and transferred at least some to him.

ALA: it is very strong at mobilizing various heavy metals, mercury and arsenic come to mind. It's the strongest thing I've taken so far to get my excess mercury out, and I really don't think it's appropriate while nursing. Also--if you (or anyone) is mercury toxic, you will likely feel like cr@p if you just try taking some (and not just for a day or two, it can cause mood type problems, and other stuff, that can last for quite a while). I am taking various vit/min supps and lots of extra vitamin C to help deal with everything the ALA mobilizes, and when I first took it (very carefully, in a very specific dosing schedule) I still could feel that it was stressing my body.
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I feel like my head was designed for it. And I can see how most of my life experiences have set me up to be figuring this all out right now and teaching it to others.

And it's fun! (And raising my dopamine is really energizing, that helps too )

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Yet another thread to subscribe to! I am still nursing, though only about 3 sessions a day. I've been playing with iodine again in my diet - yesterday I took some Iodoral and today we had kelp crumbled in our salad at lunch. I'm wondering how it would work if I took maybe 1/4 of an Iodoral one day and had some kelp the next and slowly built up depending on how it made me feel.

We apparently do eat some of the foods listed in the top 200 for glycine, but as I learned this morning (besides not to judge the success or failure of the beet pee test too early ) is the dh, ds#2 and I all seem to have quite low HCl levels. So, if we don't have adequate stomach acid, will we be able to utilize the glycine in our food?

I am already taking TMG (125 mg, IIRC; the box is in the other room and I'm nak). Does that count as supplemental glycine? (I am still learning all this; I have a biochemistry textbook on hold at the library though. ) If so, is that enough for supplementing?

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Do you get glycine from eating gelatin straight? Such as, if I make Knox gelatin and eat it, do I get glycine? If I use it in marshmallows, is there glycine in that too?
I'm assuming so. We got a huge container of NOW gelatin (way cheaper than knox) and I add it to everything. It makes a good sub for gluten/xanthan gum/guar gum in baked goods. I added extra to our dinner tonight, and I actually crave the connective tissue parts of the bones we get. Go glycine!

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I'm assuming so. We got a huge container of NOW gelatin (way cheaper than knox) and I add it to everything. It makes a good sub for gluten/xanthan gum/guar gum in baked goods. I added extra to our dinner tonight, and I actually crave the connective tissue parts of the bones we get. Go glycine!
My oldest brother and I used to love eating the gristle off our bones. The twins didn't like it at all and we used to fight each other for their bones so we could eat their gristle.. Interestingly (to me), we're the 2 with obvious problems- he was dx'd with schizophrenia and I was dx'd with bipolar.

ETA: And I've never seen NOW gelatin, only Knox. Where do you get it?

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you mean the fact that she loves that smilie ()? or are you talking about some gem essence or flower essence or somethin like that?
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Ugh! I am seriously confused. I have looked at all the stuff whome has posted and i understand it in theory but i cant figure out where i fit into it. will you girls help me? puhleeze

My symptoms are leaking proteins into breastmilk, being gassy (just from milk products since the birth of dd 1, now from almost all foods but esp any nuts or seeds -unsoaked), when i went off gfcf during my last pg for abt a week i started having major thyroid symptoms (i think that's what they were) - hot flashes, heart racing, anxiety, i think that was it. oh and the only other symptom i think i have (aside from not doing the dishes - is that caused by leaky gut or just a coincidence?) is really, really bad dandruff.

I take a mineral complex and a probiotic every day. i am getting back on the bandwagon with enzymes (whome wrote on her site that lack of digestive enzymes causes gas, if so what causes lack of digestive enzymes?) vit C and B complex. Solgar makes a D3 that is sold here that i'll try to get tomorow when we go to a city. I love my veggie ferments esp drinking the brine. i love my broth but sont always have some ion the house.

My history is that i was always constipated as a kid, had 3 seizures in childhood for no known reason, had lots of ear aches and lots of abx, and had IV abx during dd2s birth. and some mild ppd after. I always have low BP and think i have alway been low on minerals - it used to be that if i did not make chicken soup for friday night ("traditional" jewish food) and then have leftovers for most of the week, i would be a wreck - physically and emotionally. i crave chocolate... do you guysthink this could all be caused by a lack of mineral stores? my intuition says yes but i dont know what to do and which of my pathways to strengthen.

why am i posting this novel here? b/c I am nursing a 2 mo and a 3 yo.

ETA: I have an abcess in one of my breasts (lump, whatever you want to call it) since an episode of mastitus 2 years ago. I want to try clayb/c i thinkthat would help that and i think it works by absorbing toxins and escorting them out as opposed to circulating them not sure.
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you mean the fact that she loves that smilie ()? or are you talking about some gem essence or flower essence or somethin like that?
HA!!! I DO love that smilie! I use it every dang chance I get!

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glad to give you the opportunity to use it yet again. and ahem, if you have any thoughts on my longer post, i'd love to hear them.
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I do. Running like a maniac right now. I'm on my way to class. I'll be back this afternoon!
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see you then! enjoy the class!
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And I've never seen NOW gelatin, only Knox. Where do you get it?
At the local hfs, with the vitamins

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Ugh! I am seriously confused. I have looked at all the stuff whome has posted and i understand it in theory but i cant figure out where i fit into it. will you girls help me? puhleeze

My symptoms are leaking proteins into breastmilk, being gassy (just from milk products since the birth of dd 1, now from almost all foods but esp any nuts or seeds -unsoaked), when i went off gfcf during my last pg for abt a week i started having major thyroid symptoms (i think that's what they were) - hot flashes, heart racing, anxiety, i think that was it. oh and the only other symptom i think i have (aside from not doing the dishes - is that caused by leaky gut or just a coincidence?) is really, really bad dandruff.

I take a mineral complex and a probiotic every day. i am getting back on the bandwagon with enzymes (whome wrote on her site that lack of digestive enzymes causes gas, if so what causes lack of digestive enzymes?) vit C and B complex. Solgar makes a D3 that is sold here that i'll try to get tomorow when we go to a city. I love my veggie ferments esp drinking the brine. i love my broth but sont always have some ion the house.

My history is that i was always constipated as a kid, had 3 seizures in childhood for no known reason, had lots of ear aches and lots of abx, and had IV abx during dd2s birth. and some mild ppd after. I always have low BP and think i have alway been low on minerals - it used to be that if i did not make chicken soup for friday night ("traditional" jewish food) and then have leftovers for most of the week, i would be a wreck - physically and emotionally. i crave chocolate... do you guysthink this could all be caused by a lack of mineral stores? my intuition says yes but i dont know what to do and which of my pathways to strengthen.

why am i posting this novel here? b/c I am nursing a 2 mo and a 3 yo.

ETA: I have an abcess in one of my breasts (lump, whatever you want to call it) since an episode of mastitus 2 years ago. I want to try clayb/c i thinkthat would help that and i think it works by absorbing toxins and escorting them out as opposed to circulating them not sure.
I guess I'm not quite sure what you're asking? Are you still GFCF?

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gilamama,
Are you asking which detox pathways does it sound like are problematic for you, and therefore what are some supps that might help, since you are going to the city tomorrow?
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