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He said with kids, sometimes it only takes a couple of sessions. It makes me want to bring DD2, but will a 3 year old lay still enough for it to work? It was hard enough for an 8yo!
I got my son (2) to lie still with a combo of lollipops (we can use storebought, I guess you may have to make your own ) and books that our CST had in her office (she treated a good mix of adults and kids and had a lot of little toys and books to amuse kids). And she could do some when he was sitting up. I think it's worthwhile to try, I liked taking the kids, and once our finances are more stable, I really want to re-start with them.

Before you go next for yourself, maybe see if getting to bowel tolerance for a few days beforehand helps with the pain after? Or if you need more after? FWIW, my bowel tolerance vitC when I first started was 44 grams/day, and I've read of other people with chronic, long-standing health issues being at similar levels (40g, 50g, 60g, like that). At the moment, my kids are actually both taking in the range of 20g/day.

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Well, congrats to all who are feeling better, getting some sleep, and who's little ones are at baseline. YAY, for healing!:


To all those who are still struggling, we are still here to support you as well, there are ups and downs in every journey.
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whoMe, have you looked at Purine metabolism yet?
It looks like it's central to bile production since it's required for the production of cholesterol... (and therefor vitamin D as well... blah blah)...

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Okay, I'm reading it. I'm REALLY confused. They're talking about methyls being required for making dopamine (agreed) but not taking into account that they're needed to break it down as well. They're mixing the symptoms for high and low dopamine that I've seen, and calling it symptoms of histamine instead.

I don't know if they're right, or if I am. Of course my stuff makes more sense in my head, but they seem to have real experience and I just have random internet reading...
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Pfeiffer did not find histopenia in schizophrenics, he found histadelia. Just that alone makes me wonder about the other parts.

High histamine, btw, can be caused by overgrowth of histamine synthesizing bacteria n the gut, family of proteus, physiological E. coli, and syaphylococci

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Oh yeah, and seeing as Purine metabolism is necessary for the production of uric acid, I'm wondering now if that's not why so many people with allergies have problems with UTIs...

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I'm with a mw, but she doesn't do hbs, so I'll be delivering in the hospital (the mw is biased about hbs too... but not a big deal since I don't think DH would agree to a hb anyway). I plan to... go into labor, avoid the hospital as long as I can and then go have a baby. Heh. We're still not sure what to do with the kids. My SMIL wants to take them but she *really* doesn't get the dietary restrictions... and I'm concerned that, if she needs to have them overnight, DS2 doesn't know her well enough.
I let DH choose whether to find out this time. He chose to find out. They're telling us it's a boy. I have 2 nieces who were "boys" at their ultrasounds, so you don't have to guess too hard how much I believe them. My philosophy is: It's a baby. When it comes out, we'll know what gender it is.
I'm not certain exactly what you want to know about.. Spirit quests?
So exciting!! I hope you find a good plan for the kiddos. And congrats on the (maybe) boy!

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whoMe, have you looked at Purine metabolism yet?
It looks like it's central to bile production since it's required for the production of cholesterol... (and therefor vitamin D as well... blah blah)...

ETA: If you know of a chart or something on it, I will love you even more than I already do.
Purine metabolism is relevant? I haven't looked at it in relation to all this, but according to the metabolic typing diets, I'm likely to do well with lots of purines. And they're YUMMY! Got a good place to start?

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Purine metabolism is relevant? I haven't looked at it in relation to all this, but according to the metabolic typing diets, I'm likely to do well with lots of purines. And they're YUMMY! Got a good place to start?

Who wants a sneak peek inside my head? It's still very much a work in progress, but I'm at a good stopping point so I thought I might share. Stay tuned for better and better versions
I want to see inside your head!! But I can't see anything on that page.

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Purine metabolism is relevant? I haven't looked at it in relation to all this, but according to the metabolic typing diets, I'm likely to do well with lots of purines. And they're YUMMY! Got a good place to start?

Who wants a sneak peek inside my head? It's still very much a work in progress, but I'm at a good stopping point so I thought I might share. Stay tuned for better and better versions
It's part of the first thingie you showed us... Over on the left hand side. I can sort of see it in my head, from Dr Amy whatever's site... (My computer reset for some reason the other night and Firefox didn't reopen my tabs for some reason.
I just was looking through wikipedia... heh. I started off with bile which lead to cholesterol and followed links to find out what makes cholesterol (Co-enzyme-A and ACe-A) then I followed to links to find out how those were made (B5, cysteine, sulfur, methionine- I think I just put methionine because of the cysteine)... and found out that it uses ATP to make them... so then I was looking to find out how to make ATP and found out that Purine metabolism is required... Yeah..
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I want to see inside your head!! But I can't see anything on that page.
Weird. Maybe it's too huge so it's taking a long time?

here's another version

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Ok, I see it now.

WHOA. There is a lot of stuff inside your head.

Have to come back when I have more time to sit and absorb.

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It's part of the first thingie you showed us... Over on the left hand side. I can sort of see it in my head, from Dr Amy whatever's site... (My computer reset for some reason the other night and Firefox didn't reopen my tabs for some reason.
I just was looking through wikipedia... heh. I started off with bile which lead to cholesterol and followed links to find out what makes cholesterol (Co-enzyme-A and ACe-A) then I followed to links to find out how those were made (B5, cysteine, sulfur, methionine- I think I just put methionine because of the cysteine)... and found out that it uses ATP to make them... so then I was looking to find out how to make ATP and found out that Purine metabolism is required... Yeah..
Yeah, I remember it on the diagram...

Purines for ATP, eh? My leading theory for myself right now is that my kreb's cycle is busted somewhere, and that's why I need so much B5, and that's why my adrenals are hurting... And like I said, purines are delicious!

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Help a brain-fogged girl out.... what are purines?

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Yeah, I remember it on the diagram...

Purines for ATP, eh? My leading theory for myself right now is that my kreb's cycle is busted somewhere, and that's why I need so much B5, and that's why my adrenals are hurting... And like I said, purines are delicious!
Adenine is used to make ATP... It's apparently created by metabolizing IMP... which is created by a ribose-phosphate and either glycine, glutamine or aspartic acid.
Haven't got much more than that.
Where's the Kreb's cycle fit in? And what is it?

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Help a brain-fogged girl out.... what are purines?
from the metabolic typing stuff, purines in foods:
http://www.frot.co.nz/dietnet/reviews/mcferran08_hg.htm

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Adenine is used to make ATP... It's apparently created by metabolizing IMP... which is created by a ribose-phosphate and either glycine, glutamine or aspartic acid.
Haven't got much more than that.
Where's the Kreb's cycle fit in? And what is it?
Kreb's cycle is in the top left corner of the yasko diagram. In short, it uses pyruvate (from glycolysis) to make ATP. I don't understand much more than that, but coA is closely involved, and alpha ketoglutarate (glutamate precursor) is in there, too.

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Weird. Maybe it's too huge so it's taking a long time?

here's another version
Think I need to print that out. Wow! I'll need some time to digest it.


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Think I need to print that out. Wow! I'll need some time to digest it.


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Adenine is used to make ATP... It's apparently created by metabolizing IMP... which is created by a ribose-phosphate and either glycine, glutamine or aspartic acid.
Haven't got much more than that.
Where's the Kreb's cycle fit in? And what is it?

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in the biochemistry group...

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Did you see nessa's thread? (you can customize the diagrams!)
Saw it yes, looked at it, no. It's open in one of these tabs somewhere.
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Purines for ATP, eh? My leading theory for myself right now is that my kreb's cycle is busted somewhere,
Rather than the Kreb's cycle being 'busted', I would look more at the sources of Co-A, --sugar, fat, protein and how they're getting TO the Kreb's cycle. If your Kreb's cycle didn't work, you'd end up with lactic acid build up like after a heavy workout. Right?

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okay friends. once and for all: are cashews legumes??

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okay friends. once and for all: are cashews legumes??
No.
They come from a pod at the end of a pear that's only good for 24 hours after it's picked (the pear is). The pods need to be heated to be cracked open and there's an acidic substance inside that can seriously disfigure people.
Don't remember why I looked into it, but there you go.

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thank you!

i was confused, because in the link shannon provided about purines, there was a blurb about cashews as legumes. this was probably the third time in the last few months I'd seen them referred to as that.

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new and improved chart, with links!

Better? It's still a work in progress...

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Rather than the Kreb's cycle being 'busted', I would look more at the sources of Co-A, --sugar, fat, protein and how they're getting TO the Kreb's cycle. If your Kreb's cycle didn't work, you'd end up with lactic acid build up like after a heavy workout. Right?
This is still a test theory... But what I'm wondering is if I'm starting the whole Krebs cycle, but one of the enzymes is inefficient (poisoned?) and so I'm getting stuck at an intermediate stage. if it were the alpha ketoglutarate stage, then that would explain the signs of high glutamate/low GABA that I have... Of course, I could just as easily be making the whole thing up... I just want to know why I need SO MUCH B5!

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That is very cool. I just noticed that you have the asparagus test on there. I just happened to eat some asparagus about an hour ago and commented that I will have smelly pee soon... So does that mean that I don't properly break down sulfites? (or sulfates... I get them mixed up.) And following the connected lines, is that something that B6 helps with?

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That is very cool. I just noticed that you have the asparagus test on there. I just happened to eat some asparagus about an hour ago and commented that I will have smelly pee soon... So does that mean that I don't properly break down sulfites? (or sulfates... I get them mixed up.) And following the connected lines, is that something that B6 helps with?
Pretty much, yeah. I should fix those lines to make it more clear. B6 gets a dotted line to sulfate cause it's complicated - some helps but too much can make it worse.

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Is the Krebs' cycle the same as purine metabolism? If so, there are (again) genetic variations in how well our bodies actually metabolize purines... At least, from what I remember reading... When I got to that part, I was like... "Meh. I'm done for now."

The thing I don't like about that Dietnet link is that it seems to be based on the assumption that you're heritage is European... Many of the fruits and vegetables that are to be avoided are from the Americas. Berries have been a HUGE part of the American "Indian" diet, as were beans and corn. So to me, it appears to be a cultural bias. But that's my opinion. What do you guys think?

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This is still a test theory... But what I'm wondering is if I'm starting the whole Krebs cycle, but one of the enzymes is inefficient (poisoned?) and so I'm getting stuck at an intermediate stage. if it were the alpha ketoglutarate stage, then that would explain the signs of high glutamate/low GABA that I have... Of course, I could just as easily be making the whole thing up... I just want to know why I need SO MUCH B5!
Just to continue your theorizing..

Guess 1.) You're peeing it out due to insufficent sulfer - or other inability convert to to pantotheine

Guess 2.) It's getting eaten up by your adrenals due to stress.

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