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Old 12-01-2009, 07:05 PM - Thread Starter
 
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We've been seeing some truly amazing things in this forum in the last year! Whether it's relief of allergies from JMT/NAET, Rolfing (per mtn. mama), or increased detox/nutritional support, all I've got to say is:\

WAY TO GO, LADIES!!!

Welcome to December! Let's end this year on a high note and ring in the new with bells (and allergen-free cookies)!!

eta: November's chat

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Is it a new month already?

I got DS's Genova stool test back (and insurance didn't cover any of it, so I'm glad I did that PayAssured Program). I'm going to give it its own thread though so it doesn't get lost in here.

I had 3 more chocolate cookies today, and still no ill effects. And I bought some chocolate hazelnut Coconut Bliss ice cream because... well, just because... am I tempting fate?

DD2 is still sick. She's just sooo grumpy and it just seems like it's been awhile (since the night before Thanksgiving). She's been up and down temp wise (down during the day, up at night) but now she's up during the day too (only 101, not too high). She had the clementines last week (3 days in a row, seemed fine with them). Had 1 last night. But I did notice last night that behind her right ear was really red. That's one of the places that she gets the scalies and I don't know if it was red because of the fever or if it's red because she's reacting to the Clementines.

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We knew we could count on you JR!

Kathy, yeah for chocolate!

Maybe it's the acidity of the citrus, while being sick? I've been giving the kids extra D3, C, zinc, and vit A to fight stuff off.
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Just a note for someone to remind us all that the new moon is December 16th so we can all do our releasing "rituals".

for chocolate Kathy!

earthmama, re your post in November, I've been feeling much the same but it's time for me to take my own advice and fake it til I make it. Negativity feeds on itself, let's all start December with a bang and hope it carries us through!

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Just a note for someone to remind us all that the new moon is December 16th so we can all do our releasing "rituals".

for chocolate Kathy!

earthmama, re your post in November, I've been feeling much the same but it's time for me to take my own advice and fake it til I make it. Negativity feeds on itself, let's all start December with a bang and hope it carries us through!
Exactly. I am a big believer in the power of positive thinking and seeing somewhat more clearly how impaired thinking on my part may be compounding the problem, maybe even creating it, has motivated me to address my own issues. If I am fully assured that my thinking is clear and unhindered by possible PPD/Anxiety/OCD and I still see food allergy connections, then we'll continue the journey, but its not worth it to me to risk another year of our life on this path if the problem really is me.

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Hi there, Mamas. I fell off the wagon WRT to posting last month but I'm here to learn and "help" (if I can) this month. I've read most of last month's thread. I'm hoping this can be a positive and happy month for all you hard working mamas!

One thing that I think I've seized upon for DS1 is that he is totally avoiding almost all protein. I think he is too high in copper! It kind of makes all of his symptoms make sense. I've also read that soy is high in copper and he LOVED his soy milk as a baby. I feel so guilty.

One of my major issues with DS1 is his attention issues (suspect ADHD). We actually have an appointment with a psychiatrist for "meds" this month. I haven't decided if I'll even try them now but I'm getting all the expert advice.

We've been gluten free/dairy free for six months. DS2 is doing great. He is finally a "chubby baby" for the first time! He is two years old and is gluten intolerant. DS1 shows no improvement whatsoever from not ingesting gluten. I'm often tempted to reintroduce gluten to see if symptoms improve but then I'm afraid that if I don't keep the course that I'll regret the six months of elimination that we have behind us.
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Exactly. I am a big believer in the power of positive thinking and seeing somewhat more clearly how impaired thinking on my part may be compounding the problem, maybe even creating it, has motivated me to address my own issues. If I am fully assured that my thinking is clear and unhindered by possible PPD/Anxiety/OCD and I still see food allergy connections, then we'll continue the journey, but its not worth it to me to risk another year of our life on this path if the problem really is me.
Well, I think we have to be careful there, because way too many people say, it's all in your head, because they think that a little blood in the stool is normal, or your baby hasn't fallen off the growth chart YET, or that eczema is best treated with steroid creams that don't work and food allergies can't possibly be related. I totally believe that mama instincts are strong, and we must learn to listen to ourselves. That doesn't mean it can't also be combined with the power of positive thinking, but, I personally am not going to ignore it because other people can be convincing that we are just "overanalyzing".
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We've been gluten free/dairy free for six months. DS2 is doing great. He is finally a "chubby baby" for the first time! He is two years old and is gluten intolerant. DS1 shows no improvement whatsoever from not ingesting gluten. I'm often tempted to reintroduce gluten to see if symptoms improve but then I'm afraid that if I don't keep the course that I'll regret the six months of elimination that we have behind us.
Have you looked into the gluten test from Enterolabs?
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Well, I think we have to be careful there, because way too many people say, it's all in your head, because they think that a little blood in the stool is normal, or your baby hasn't fallen off the growth chart YET, or that eczema is best treated with steroid creams that don't work and food allergies can't possibly be related. I totally believe that mama instincts are strong, and we must learn to listen to ourselves. That doesn't mean it can't also be combined with the power of positive thinking, but, I personally am not going to ignore it because other people can be convincing that we are just "overanalyzing".

I didn't mean to imply that what you're experiencing with your child is all in your head, earthmama. Please please don't fall into the trap of believing "everyone else" that the problem is you/your "OCD"/PPD whatever. If you are having an episode of PPD, by all means get treatment (with the knowledge too that nutrition will help as well as will SLEEP) BUT, I caution you against writing off allergies. This is said to you as a mama who DID buy into the "it's all in your head/ you just have something wrong with you" crap only to find out nearly a decade later that I had been endangering my child's LIFE since he was born.

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Yeah, exactly, I fell into it too at one point, then realized my child was not gaining ANY weight.
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Just read your last post in the Nov chat thread earthmama4. How old is your baby? Is there seriously no change, no matter what you have tried? Has anything made a difference?

Could it be reflux? Have you done any testing at all?
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We've been gluten free/dairy free for six months. DS2 is doing great. He is finally a "chubby baby" for the first time! He is two years old and is gluten intolerant. DS1 shows no improvement whatsoever from not ingesting gluten. I'm often tempted to reintroduce gluten to see if symptoms improve but then I'm afraid that if I don't keep the course that I'll regret the six months of elimination that we have behind us.
A couple possibilities to consider... I think the only reason DS stopped banging his head on the wall was that I started giving him a bunch of extra nutrients to support detoxification; even then, it took 3 months gfcf plus the pills. Not sure if you're thinking of the foods in the strict intolerance category (which I think is the issue for DD) or more the detoxification issue (which is DS's issue). For DH, I think his gut is pretty leaky and cutting out gluten and dairy didn't help. I'd bet money if we did some testing for him, he'd have a list of foods like Kathy's kids do--some just odd foods to be intolerant of.
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Just because he doesn't think it's science doesn't mean it's not science. Sorry, but plenty of people used to think the world was flat. Personally, my DH doesn't buy into any of it either, but I don't particularly care, because it is working. So I do it any way. And my proof is in what works. I have seen the most incredible things that could have in no way been placebo, etc. Because I wasn't even expecting it to work at first. Now, I haven't really had the luck with my pendulum that others have, but basically I believe that the pendulum is just tuning in to what your body already knows.

I wouldn't jump to conclusions about what your DH would do if you try homeopathy and it helps. I just try to not look to my DH for support on these matters, because he pretty much leaves these decisions up to me, and I am the mama and that is that.

Have you done a stool test for DD?

Have you done an organic acid urine test for DD?

Those are two non-invasive things that might give you some answers.
We've talked over the homeopathy issue several time, including the conversation of 'I'm pg, I'm miserable, I *need* help, I *know* PB can help. Can you support me in this?' And the response was, yeah, I agree it's important. There has to be another way. Why don't we call a psychiatrist? At the rate you're going, you're going to see problems in even a perfectly healthy baby. Homeopathy is just water. It can't do anything more than placebo, but if it makes you stop believing there's something going on, then by al means do it. Just don't expect me to be supportive of it.

And dh's support really is important to me/us. He has his own ideas about what's going on and what route to take, but I 'won't let him' try his stuff cause I'm constantly chasing something else down. And turning his life upsidedown in the process. He's totally backed down from the beginning and pretty much given me free reign, but at the cost of him internalizing a ton of stuff that gets thrown in my face when I'm low on vitamins, grumpy, and depressed. Which isn't helpful to anyone. Then he wants a defined end of 'when do you give up and let me try' And on top of it all, his highest priority is enjoying life. How can I fight that? His biggest thing is that he wants to be able to share a baguette and chocolate croissant in france with dd. If he were just checked out, it'd be SO MUCH easier. But then I wouldn't have married him.

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A couple possibilities to consider... I think the only reason DS stopped banging his head on the wall was that I started giving him a bunch of extra nutrients to support detoxification; even then, it took 3 months gfcf plus the pills. Not sure if you're thinking of the foods in the strict intolerance category (which I think is the issue for DD) or more the detoxification issue (which is DS's issue). For DH, I think his gut is pretty leaky and cutting out gluten and dairy didn't help. I'd bet money if we did some testing for him, he'd have a list of foods like Kathy's kids do--some just odd foods to be intolerant of.
Are you calling my kids odd?

DD2 has disgusting breath today. Just gross. So now I'm worrying that she's got a sinus infection of something. 6 days of fever up & down. I know she's allergic to amoxicillan. I don't want to wreck her gut any more with antibiotics. But I'm wondering if I should take her to the doctor. She's not eating much (a few bites here and there now), she's drinking plenty. The cough is pretty phlegmy sounding, but she's snoozing when she's in the car, and she's actually sleeping through the night, but then she's "Mommy I just want to whine on your lap" and I think maybe I should take her in. But I don't want to wreck what progress we've made or end up with an allergic reaction to another abx (she hasn't been on one since that reaction when she was 2yo). And here's a funny for you.

I still have my sinus headache that I've had for a month. So in the car today, I said, "I have a headache." DD2 says, "Me too." I said, "What does your headache feel like?" (I really wanted to know). And she said, "Like applesauce." Huh? She can't even have applesauce. hahahah.

WhoMe: My DH goes back and forth. He's all for me exploring avenues for healing BUT he thinks the pendulum is a crock. I haven't asked him about homeopathy. I got the hair tests without asking. We have an HSA account that I use for a lot of the testing but between supplements and the non-covered osteopath, we spend a bunch of money on it. Luckily we are seeing some progress (like he supports the osteo because I am not on abx anymore for the UTIs and the pain is so much better). But sometimes, he starts in and says "how much are we spending a month on supplements?" or "where is all our money going?" Luckily those are few and far between. But he sees the differences in the kids, so he does see progress. But he says things like "I wish I could feed my kids" because he doesn't have a handle on the cooking like I do, and hardly any of the foods that they can have are "easy". I know that he feels frustrated, but healing is a slow road. I'm frustrated at times too, but for some reason I have confidence that we're on the right path. I'm a big believer in the fake it until you make it theory, like with your daughter. Especially if she sees you as the food/medicine person and dad as the fun person. Make more of an effort to do fun non-food/healing things with her.

Have you tried flower essences? They're good for mood too.

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WhoMe, I'm going to try to point out the positive here, by comparing it to my situation, which, with respect to homeopathy/FE, I think is worse. DH would flat out refuse to let me try homeopathic remedies with DS. He would go ballistic if he found out that I was using them on the DS. (I'm not.) So, I think you have a situation where your DH is somewhat supportive, in that he would at least agree to have your DD (or yourself) use homeopathic remedies. Try it - if it helps, things can only get better. If your DH says it's all in your head, well, it was likely he would have thought that anyway (hindsight bias and confirmation bias both working together here). But, YOU will feel better.

(I *do* use them myself, and DS gets them through breastmilk, but reacts to the ones with milk in them (lactase?), so I use them only when totally necessary.

Am looking into a flower essence consult with PB. Even if it's like an hour of phone therapy, I think I need it.)

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Hey there,
I guess I'm just jumping in...but on the issue of DH support. My DH actually just kind of leaves it up to me. Which is kind of nice in terms of things (as long as it doesn't cost too much of course - I pay cash for my supplements and stuff of DS so I don't think he cares to know the exact amount each month) The down side is that it is entirely up to me to keep our kitchen safe for DS, keep meals safe for him, give him the supplements....and he's not on board in the sense that I feel we should not have things DS is allergic to in our house. Period. Just tonight he had a reaction that I'm 99% sure was cross contamination. DH still wants his pasta wheat with his buttered baguette covered in melted cheese.

On the positivity note, I'm making some positive changes in my own diet (DS's allergies have really dominated my thoughts on this board) doing wheat free vegan and I'm feeling really good when I do it.

Also, I'm hoping to plan an allergy free cookie party for the holidays. DS just can't go to some houses or obviously eat 'normal' cookies. All I can say about that is thank goodness for the Baby Cakes cookbook. And this board.

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I feel for everyone who is struggling. I think I've experienced some of what a lot of your are talking about. The one thing that is hard for me is that DH is just so passive about things. I think he's going to wait until he wastes away before he goes to see an alternative practitioner for his own health. And what can I say? It's not like I can point to the kids and say "see how great they are doing" cause in reality they aren't. DS is still wicked small, growing at a snail's pace. DD still has her belly, poor stools & bad breath. And I just don't know how to fix it.

And I agree that I would love to have "someone" to hand the problem to and get them to tell me what to do. I *really* need someone to walk this journey with me. Even if its just to hold my hand or give me a shoulder rub. Sometimes it just feels so lonely. When is that darn East Coast retreat? Where are you Mass. folks?

I'll stop rambling now. And just try to send out good, loving, healing vibes to all us Mama's who are struggling right now.


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Ah. A new thread for a new month. Happy winter everyone! Keep your chins up and TAKE YOUR PILLS! And talk to Elisabeth if you need help. Do it.

Well, we're only exclusively avoiding gluten and oats now. Everything else can be rotated in in small amounts without trouble. It feels pretty free and easy.

But T is (I'm pretty certain) low in mag and I just can't get it into her. I can only try to pump it through breastmilk and via epsom salt baths. She can detect it in any food and will even deny chocolate ice cream.

DH is finally getting on board to take care of himself and is letting me crystal test him for EVERYTHING once a week and set out his supplements so he can take them. This is huge. I hope it sticks.

I'm feeling better and better and am really hoping to get a HEALTHY baby started in March or so, so I'm on the 100 day countdown. Woohoo!

We are stretched thinner financially than ever, and DH and I are in a bit rockier spot than usual. I'm really focusing on positive thinking and being supportive to him and trying to find a way each day to connect.

I don't know how you can try to convince someone about homeopathy or religion or anything else. I'm so sorry that so many of you are dealing with this issue so intensely. I wish had some words of advice.

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I like the positive energy! Although we still have a ong way to go, I am happy at how far we have come. I trialed goats milk for DD this weekend (because DH really wanted to) and I think it failed. I say "I think" because it could have been something I ate out at a restaurant or teething, but I think most likely the milk. DD was screaming and crying like she hasn't done in quite a while. So while it was a likely fail, it reminded me of how bad things used to be. So I am hopeful that things will continue to improve! I do have a question though. How concerned should I be that DD has fallen off the growth charts? Her pediatrician says she looks great and is on track developmentally (despite my conerns a few months ago), so not to worry. She was 20lbs at her 18mo visit. When she was born she was on time and 6lbs 7oz. She went up to 50% at some point a few or so after birth then started dropping. So should I obsess about this now, or ignore it?
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And one other question. DD also has a little potbelly. I have heard some say this is normal for a toddler and others say it is a problem. Thoughts?
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I'd be concerned about a potbelly, but I know some folks are not.

Unbelievable. I spoke too soon. Taslyn is reacting to goose. She didn't seem to react when I ate it on Saturday or Sunday or Monday, but she ate sweet potatoes fried in goose fat this morning and now- about 4 hours later, her skin is all bumpy and irritated.

Trying to get some sodium and ascorbate into her... wish me luck.

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Yay! A new chat thread! Merry Christmas, everyone!

LIfe has been so full lately--crazy full! Not all good, cuz it keeps me awa from here, but I keep up in the email. Well, mostly...

Mamafish!!! Thanks SO much! I received the brainchild supps today! I am SO excited to try these with dd.

I hope everyone's Thanksgiving was wonderful!

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I'd be concerned about a potbelly, but I know some folks are not.

Unbelievable. I spoke too soon. Taslyn is reacting to goose. She didn't seem to react when I ate it on Saturday or Sunday or Monday, but she ate sweet potatoes fried in goose fat this morning and now- about 4 hours later, her skin is all bumpy and irritated.

Trying to get some sodium and ascorbate into her... wish me luck.
Darn! Good luck with the supps! DD is going through a stubborn streak, not wanting to take her stuff, which isn't normal for her. She's having a tough time lately...not sure what to do for her.

Has anyone read/followed The Body Ecology Diet? I am reading it, but seriously, it is stressing me out! I think it'd be helpful, but how do I give up all fruits and sweet potatoes (not to mention chocolate?) for maybe a year? Eek! I think this would be beneficial for dd too, but I don't want to restrict her that much if I really don't have to...

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Back to the stool test and OAT, I've done a few stool tests but they weren't comprehensive. Nothing bad showed though. OAT is on the list, but just hasn't happened yet. Right now I have good leads but the trouble is in having the energy/time/creativity to get the nutrients into her, especially when she won't even let me up to pop prepped chicken in the oven - it took an hour, a phone call from dh, and there were STILL tears

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I'm a big believer in the fake it until you make it theory, like with your daughter. Especially if she sees you as the food/medicine person and dad as the fun person. Make more of an effort to do fun non-food/healing things with her.

Have you tried flower essences? They're good for mood too.
How do you fake it when you can't stop crying? And dd TOTALLY picks up on my moods.

Last night, dh started building a model alligator with dd while I was quarantined upstairs (the only way we can figure out how to get her to sleep on nap nights) and it made me sad(der) since I LOVE doing stuff like that, and it's the first craft sort of thing for her and... They didn't get too far and so we finished it as a family tonight, then dd painted it. And she was soooooo into it. THAT'S the sort of thing I can get into with her. I think trying to be fun and wild like dh just totally isn't me. Dd rarely goes for it (dh is way better), I get exhausted real fast, and I lose interest as soon as she starts to get upset with me. Quiet crafts *is* me, is something I always pictured doing with kids, and we could even come up with xmas gifts to make together and give. I see a whole new way to connect with her, and I think that's exactly what I needed. And it helps that I got all my vitamins yesterday

I tried flower essences, cause PB offered . I couldn't tell that they were doing anything, but then I started getting adrenal symptoms that I hadn't had in a while (replacing the depression?) and so stopped. And focused on vitamins. And felt better. And dh was making fun of me the whole time.

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And more good stuff to balance the rest: dd's crazy long fingernails are now short She loved the curry chicken and beets and green beans for dinner, and barely was interested in the rice. My head is feeling more stable, dh's new pants came in (the rest of his jeans had holes in one or both knees. he actually took the initiative and ordered these HIMSELF. I warned him it was up to him to decide when to replace them), dd's asleep, and my knees are creaking noticeably less. Which is what I was hoping the extra B6 would do AND I found my capsule maker, finally!

Wondering if I can work up the courage to order goat kefir to trial myself on...

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I'd be concerned about a potbelly, but I know some folks are not.
My Dd has a distended belly and her new osteopath is a little concerned about it. He has ordered an OAT to see if he can find out the cause. He has also ordered an IgG test just to see what comes up on it even though he knows there are both false +/- to such tests. She just seems to be allergic to everything and I really hope he can help guide me in the right direction as I am spinning in circles.

So far he has her on an additional probiotic and that has helped form her bms but she is only going every two days. He also wanted her on coconut oil and she reacts to sals so I am sticking with 1/4 tsp a day and that seems to have really helped clear up her skin and so far no crazy behavior from it. Epsom salt baths and lotions everyday is another thing we are doing.

Tomorrow we go for her first osteopathic treatment for a tense lower back and cranium/neck so we shall see how that goes. He thinks that will help her sleep situation at night which would be great as I would love to get more than 2 -3 hours of sleep at a time. He did say it will take 2 - 3 treatments.

HUGE thanks to my mom who is footing the bill for her new Dr.

We are just waiting for the test results. I really hate this hurry up and wait stuff

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That reminds me (thanks, beadmama) is the OAT one to order on my own, or can a mainstream doc/insurance do it?

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You know, I was just thinking that it must be mentioned. You ladies do SO much for your kids. So much. Most people wouldn't dream of the amount of time and effort you are putting in to helping your kids be healthy. I think you all need to give yourself so much credit and slack and a cyber hug. Seriously, you are all heroes. It is hard to be in the midst of it and to see the larger picture but what amazing mamas you all are!
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I think the next steps for us are supplementing. We've done CLO, probiotics, Vit C and gummy vits from Target but I see over and over again the same supps, mentioned! Namely, I think we'll add B6, Mo, Folate (through food, though), and we'll carry on with our Epsom salt baths. I need Zinc too so I'm researching the best forms for each of these. I think I saw the form of B6 mentioned. What about Zinc? What do you do?

Also, DS really avoids protein but will eat hamburger and steak. Since I think his copper is too high and zinc is too low, I'm thinking red meat is probably GOOD for us, no? However, I read a lot of stuff that is more pro vitamin. Your thoughts?

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I think the next steps for us are supplementing. We've done CLO, probiotics, Vit C and gummy vits from Target but I see over and over again the same supps, mentioned! Namely, I think we'll add B6, Mo, Folate (through food, though), and we'll carry on with our Epsom salt baths. I need Zinc too so I'm researching the best forms for each of these. I think I saw the form of B6 mentioned. What about Zinc? What do you do?

Also, DS really avoids protein but will eat hamburger and steak. Since I think his copper is too high and zinc is too low, I'm thinking red meat is probably GOOD for us, no? However, I read a lot of stuff that is more pro vitamin. Your thoughts?

Thanks,
If you really think DSs copper is too high & he is low on zinc I don't think food sources alone will do it. If you search the allergy forum for an "all about me" thread started by me (chlobo) there is a lot of info about lowering copper using supplements. Tanya helped me out with that. We're not that far into it so I'm not sure how its going but its a start.

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