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Hello there,
I am (unfortunately!) a lurking regular on this board with one kid with very pronounced intolerances/allergies (not positive which, haven't been tested) and one possible. My partner and I talking about maybe having another baby and one of the things holding me back is the fear that I did something wrong in pregnancy to cause these issues previously. I am a long-term vegetarian who stays away from soy and eats whole foods. I am just wondering if anyone has any advice, or links, or book/study suggestions that address this idea that either over exposure to certain foods in the womb, or deficiancy in certain nutrients in the womb may play a part in intolerances and allergies.
Thank you in advance for your help.
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JaneS had a thread around here somewhere about that...I thought I had it saved, but can't find it...maybe try a search here? Anyone? it had a lot of good info in it. I think it's key to stay away from your own intolerances during pregnancy (saying that, I am pregnant and have given in to a breakfast burro twice). I've read that probiotics during pregnancy and for the baby after birth lower the risk of allergies. I'm going to try it.

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I started a thread when I found out I was pregnant:
http://www.mothering.com/discussions....php?t=1115528
I'm due in about 6 weeks now, and can say without a doubt that this pregnancy has been so similar to last time but I feel a LOT healthier. Hoping it translates into a less reactive babe...

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Subbing. DD doesn't have allergies maybe intolerances but unsure. We also want TTC in the next year so I wonder the same things Paisley star
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Thanks guys, I am making my way through that thread...so overwhelming! Any book suggestions here (I'd love to have all the vits/minerals/avoidences in a chart or something, lol)? Or should I just keep reading the other thread?
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Book recommendations... I wish. There are a few for allergies in general (search this forum for the thread, I forget what it's called, but I think WuWei started it). One book that I've heard good things about, but haven't seen myself, and I'm not sure it addresses allergies/intolerances is Real Food for Mother and Baby by Nina Planck. Same disclaimer, but there's also Healing Our Children by Rami Nagel.

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Just started thinking about this myself. Thank you for posting this thread!
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Both my kids have lots of food sensitivities and I wish I could have different things that could have made a difference in their health.

For one, I found out I have lyme while I was pregnant with ds and I passed it to him. I really believe that is the cause of many of our health problems. Before I have anymore children, I am going to get that healed.

And my other biggy is that I feel that my childrens health issues are from ME. I have gut issues and it passed to my dd. Now she has leaky gut.

So I need to work on taking care of my health more so my children can benefit from that.
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Book recommendations... I wish. There are a few for allergies in general (search this forum for the thread, I forget what it's called, but I think WuWei started it). One book that I've heard good things about, but haven't seen myself, and I'm not sure it addresses allergies/intolerances is Real Food for Mother and Baby by Nina Planck. Same disclaimer, but there's also Healing Our Children by Rami Nagel.
Planck's book was good, but she is not knowledgeable on allergies (or just doesn't address it). I'm not remembering details, but recall cringing at times as to what she fed her ds (it had to do with allergies).

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JaneS had a thread around here somewhere about that...I thought I had it saved, but can't find it...maybe try a search here? Anyone? it had a lot of good info in it. I think it's key to stay away from your own intolerances during pregnancy (saying that, I am pregnant and have given in to a breakfast burro twice). I've read that probiotics during pregnancy and for the baby after birth lower the risk of allergies. I'm going to try it.
Here is another thread: How Not to Have an Allergic Child
http://www.mothering.com/discussions.../t-471144.html

I would add after reading Robin O'Brien's recent book The Unhealthy Truth, I would be absolutely certain to avoid probiotics with soy (GMO) in them and consider removing all soy and GMO foods from the diet. Her book explains how GMO soy especially messes with our gut flora and points to its rise as the cause of explosion in IgE allergies. She was very convincing.

Absolutely positively get your vitamin D levels tested and retested. You will probably need 5000 IU per day unless you live in southern U.S. and get a great deal of sun w/o many clothes and no sunblock. See The Vitamin D Council website. Vitamin D levels are highly correlated with higher allergies, asthma. At 5000-6000 IU per day study showed you transfer enough to baby thru bm... nature must have known something. Otherwise, you will need to supplement them.
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Post #20 from Healing the Gut Tribe Cheat Sheet on Probiotics and Infants

With respect to infants and gut flora:

Bifidobacteria comprises 91% of microflora of BF infants and 75% of FF infants. (Harmsen et al, 2000)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum

The bifidus dominance and exclusive BF'ing seals up the gut mucosal lining. This is extremely important for the immune system to start to develop the ability to recognize "self" vs. "non-self". The gut flora is 70% of the innate immune system primary defenses (basis of the GALT, MALT and BALT immune systems).

There is also a lot of evidence that colicky behavior, and sleeping and stool problems, with infants are a direct result of the imbalance of gut flora. So bifidus supplementation might be a good first step for correction or prevention of behavioral and immune system diseases.

Edit: B. Infantis is the correct human strain that is preferred. Natren Life Start or Solaray BabyLife or Pharmax Neonate. The second is dairy free if you know for sure your babe is allergic to dairy. Interestingly, Elizabeth Lipski PhD author of Digestive Wellness for Children recommends probiotics made from dairy if they are well tolerated by the child as helpful in aiding the body to digest dairy. She also states that she has seen B. Infantis correct colic in newborns within days and uses it in her clinical practice. Also indicated for cradle cap and eczema.

Intestinal flora in the neonate: impact on morbidity and therapeutic perspectives
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...t_uids=9759211

Just One Bottle
http://www.massbfc.org/formula/bottle.html

The Case for the Virgin Gut
http://breastfeed.com/resources/articles/virgingut.htm

Developmental microbial ecology of the neonatal gastrointestinal tract
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/69/5/1035S

Beneficial Baby Bacteria: Their Key Benefits, Functions, & Selection
http://www.natren.com/pages/natashart3.asp

Your Baby's Best Advantage – Probiotics
http://www.natren.com/pages/baby.html

Further studies found differences in the gut flora of infants who are likely to develop allergy. When compared with healthy infants, babies who developed allergy symptoms were less often colonized with bifidobacteria. These results could indicate a role for the intestinal microflora in the development of and protection from allergy, especially in developed countries, where antibiotic therapy and sterile C-section deliveries are far more common.

Childhood eczema is almost entirely caused by food allergies, noted Dr. McCann. “We also know that one allergy can predispose to another. In other words, if food allergies and eczema can be prevented, then so also can asthma.” He adds, “In future years, every newborn baby will receive with her first feeding, a goodly gulp of a friendly bacterial mix. Meanwhile, we are stuck with treating after the fact, rather than prevention.”

Of the many factors suggested to explain the worldwide increase in asthma, "We have found only one primary prevention, the maintenance of a normal bowel flora," reported pediatric allergy specialist Dr. Bengt Bjorksten, in an address to the American Academy of Allergy, Asthma and Immunology Studies, Stockholm, Sweden. Studies from Europe show that newborns with abnormal flora have many more times the prevalence of allergic disease. If the baby does not have a good GI barrier, it sets the stage for increased allergic disease.


Effects of intestinal microflora and the environment on the development of asthma and allergy.
Bjorksten B.
Centre for Allergy Research and Department of Environmental Medicine, Karolinska Institutet, 171 77 Stockholm, Sweden. bengt.bjorksten@cfa.ki.se

Recent studies have shown differences in the composition of the microflora between healthy and allergic infants in countries with a high and low prevalence of allergies and between healthy and allergic infants within such countries. These differences are apparent within the first week of life and thus precede clinical symptoms.

Evidence of probiotics in prevention of allergy and asthma.
Bjorksten B.
Institute of Environmental Medicine, Karolinska Institutet, 171 77 Stockholm, Sweden. bengt.bjorksten@cfa.ki.se

Recent epidemiological studies and experimental research suggest that the microbial environment and exposure to microbial products in infancy modifies immune responses and enhances the development of tolerance to ubiquitous allergens. The intestinal microflora may play a particular role in this respect, as it is the major external driving force in the maturation of the immune system after birth and animal experiments have shown it to be a prerequisite for normal development of oral tolerance. The composition of the microflora differs between healthy and allergic infants and in countries with a high and low prevalence of allergies. These differences are apparent within the first week of life, or even in the maternal vaginal flora during pregnancy and thus precede clinical symptoms.


Two very common things given to babes or BF'ing mamas that greatly effect the infant's ability to lay down and keep proper gut flora balance:

-Antibiotics
-Tylenol/Advil

Also note: If you have yeast/thrush you are passing this on to your babe's flora. There is indication that yeast does indeed change the immune systems reaction to foods:

Animal Studies Show Gut Flora/Antibiotics Effect Oral Tolerance

Antibiotic administration early in life impairs specific humoral responses to an oral antigen and increases intestinal mast cell numbers and mediator concentrations.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract

The reconstitution of intestinal flora of GF mice with Bifidobacterium infantis, one of the predominant bacteria in the intestinal flora, restored the susceptibility of these Th2 responses to oral tolerance induction; however, this was only effective when such reconstitution was performed in neonates, but not in mice at an older age.

Antibiotics and Infant Gut Flora from MT
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...2&postcount=24
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Jane, thanks for some of the old discussion threads. I'd seen one but not the other, and even the one I saw before, I'd probably bring a new perspective to it that I didn't have before.

I wish the folate/B12/methylation/MTHFR discussion had been around a few years ago. It seems like another factor in the mix for some people.
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My partner and I talking about maybe having another baby and one of the things holding me back is the fear that I did something wrong in pregnancy to cause these issues previously. I am a long-term vegetarian who stays away from soy and eats whole foods.
I don't think anyone here has ever deliberately done anything wrong so that we and our kids end up here, on this board. And at least for me, I can see plenty of sub-optimal decisions I've made, but not one individual incident that was key--so I figure I can make a lot of incremental improvements and it'll help, even if I don't get everything perfect (if/when there's another pregnancy, I'm surely not ready yet).

A big thing for me and my kids is figuring out my strengths and weaknesses, the problems my family is prone to, looking for patterns of what we need that may be a bit different than other people. I found that patterns emerged--health problems people in my family have, problems I have--the kids' manifested this in different ways, but in looking for answers, I started to run across the same answers for all our different problems. It's not my fault, but my health is the key for my kids' health. Maybe looking at your health, even stuff that's not serious enough to be a problem, but it's quirky or different than most people, will help find those clues.
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This is an interesting place to start: Preconception care: Mineral Deficiency Test


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Here is another thread: How Not to Have an Allergic Child
http://www.mothering.com/discussions.../t-471144.html

I would add after reading Robin O'Brien's recent book The Unhealthy Truth, I would be absolutely certain to avoid probiotics with soy (GMO) in them and consider removing all soy and GMO foods from the diet. Her book explains how GMO soy especially messes with our gut flora and points to its rise as the cause of explosion in IgE allergies. She was very convincing.

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subbing--and JaneS just wanted to say--my DD was sitting in front of the computer and started waving so cute a couple times---I couldn't tell what she was waving at--it was the little smiley face on your signature--we've all been laughing for 15 min thanks to it (she waves really cute) thanks for the happiness!
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