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On the glandular - how important is it to go low and slow there? Cause I now have 4lbs of lamb sweetbreads in the freezer, which includes the pancreas, and rave reviews that they're yummy. And you know me... Low and slow isn't my strong point
Low and slow isn't my strong point either . I'd say you should, just because you have a nursling. But you're already doing the enzymes, so I'd guess you're unlikely to see any big negative reaction to glandulars...

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The glandular is typically milder and better tolerated than the enzymes, isn't it? Did I mis-understand that part?
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The glandular is typically milder and better tolerated than the enzymes, isn't it? Did I mis-understand that part?
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I'm eating up this info.

Count my boys and I in the pancreatin experiment.


Any opinions about doing it while pregnant? Besides slowly?
I will be following my pendulum.

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OMG, her conference is in Boston in July!
http://www.dramyyasko.com/the-yasko-...ol-conference/
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mamafish - How long does it typically take to get the results from Yasko? Also, how hard is it to do the finger prick? I give DD mb12 shots, but this is making me somewhat anxious. I'm so not looking forward to it.

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I'm eating up this info.

Count my boys and I in the pancreatin experiment.


Any opinions about doing it while pregnant? Besides slowly?
I will be following my pendulum.
VEEEERRRRRY slowly. Is there a way to find out what metals/toxins are in your gut before starting the enzymes? And be well up on sulfation and zinc and those type of things? That initial die off scared me. Metallic cough and bitter taste in my mouth? I was very glad to not be pg anymore.

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I'm eating up this info.

Count my boys and I in the pancreatin experiment.


Any opinions about doing it while pregnant? Besides slowly?
I will be following my pendulum.
VERY slowly. But I personally would probably try it, just because the improved health could really benefit your babe too. How far along are you? Maybe try the glandular first, it's gentler...

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OMG, her conference is in Boston in July!
http://www.dramyyasko.com/the-yasko-...ol-conference/
Yup, I'd go in a second if I could, but it's way across the country for me, and I can't leave DS that long. I don't agree with everything she says, but she is a really smart woman who has thought really deeply about this, and cares a lot.

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mamafish - How long does it typically take to get the results from Yasko? Also, how hard is it to do the finger prick? I give DD mb12 shots, but this is making me somewhat anxious. I'm so not looking forward to it.
It took us 6.5 weeks, 6-8 weeks is typical, I think. The finger prick - here's my best trick. Put them in a nice warm bath first, it gets the blood circulating. They send these really easy prick things that you just put on their finger and depress a button. If their fingers are warm, we got tons of blood, no stress at all (it was freaking me out too). I'm thinking WAY easier than mb12 shots! Also, the genetics will be very interesting for you if you are using methyl B12 - a lot of genetics do better with hydroxy B12 shots, so you might get some interesting info there as well.

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mercury is our biggest issue (tested my boys only), along with arsenic.
My youngest has aluminum issues and also can't tolerate apples.
Good point about getting my pathways going.

I got the Yasko enzymes plus the glandulars(??) from vitacost. Will use those first.

I agree about the benefits possibly outweighing the concerns, but I need to sit on it a bit more. I hopefully will be on my consitutional remedy at that point which should help my body along.

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OMG, her conference is in Boston in July!
http://www.dramyyasko.com/the-yasko-...ol-conference/
Wow - sounds great.

I'm not sure if it would be the best use of my money though. You are so much more ahead of things than I am Jane.
She talks about having lots of Q and A time and that wouldn't be very helpful for me I think. Since I don't know enough to have questions.

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mercury is our biggest issue (tested my boys only), along with arsenic.
My youngest has aluminum issues and also can't tolerate apples.
Good point about getting my pathways going.

I got the Yasko enzymes plus the glandulars(??) from vitacost. Will use those first.

I agree about the benefits possibly outweighing the concerns, but I need to sit on it a bit more. I hopefully will be on my consitutional remedy at that point which should help my body along.
Sounds like a great approach. I'd also have clay on hand to help escort out whatever mobilizes, and go really, really, really slowly!

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Wow - sounds great.

I'm not sure if it would be the best use of my money though. You are so much more ahead of things than I am Jane.
She talks about having lots of Q and A time and that wouldn't be very helpful for me I think. Since I don't know enough to have questions.
I wouldn't go unless you've done the genetics, and some of her baseline pee tests. One thing about people following her protocol is that most of them (particularly the ones who will be at the conference), do the bulk of what she recommends. So the Q&A will involve a lot of people throwing up their test results to discuss, things like that. She also posts her ppt presentations online - I've learned a lot from them.

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M2S, if I can throw in my 2 cents, knowing that I haven't used these yet, I'd think maybe really slow on the glandulars, but skip the enzymes for now. For your situation, I'm not sure the benefits exceed the risks. It's a different situation than Shannon, it seems. For my kids, for example, it's easy to shake loose metals and I think weird enviro chemicals, but a lot harder to really get them out. As an adult, I do the oh-so-fun vitamin C flushes and that's been huge for me, but I'd not recommend them during pregnancy. And whatever you mobilize that's not excreted will just circulate and settle, and it just seems like a bad time for that.

It sounds like the enzymes could be a very good thing for your boys, just trying to make sure nutritional support is in place beforehand, anticipating a jump in nutrient needs.
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Also, I think it's important to remember that hair tests might not mean much in terms of gut stuff. my hair test shows low aluminum, but that sure doesn't match my die off. If we can ever get this pee sample in the mail, I'll have a better idea of what IS in there.

M2S, have you tried straight malic acid or magnesium malate for your Al/apple boy? Want me to send you some to try?

And I still wonder how much of this the genetics are super useful and how much just general stuff helps almost everyone or a little guess and check makes a big difference, once you have some pointed places to guess? It's hard to compare yaskos genetics with 23andme, but several of the key ones overlap and 23andme has been known to have some pretty deep discounts (last one was $99 for the full panel).

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A primer on yasko's big genes:
http://quizlet.com/1826547/yasko-snips-flash-cards/

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Also, I think it's important to remember that hair tests might not mean much in terms of gut stuff. my hair test shows low aluminum, but that sure doesn't match my die off. If we can ever get this pee sample in the mail, I'll have a better idea of what IS in there.

M2S, have you tried straight malic acid or magnesium malate for your Al/apple boy? Want me to send you some to try?

And I still wonder how much of this the genetics are super useful and how much just general stuff helps almost everyone or a little guess and check makes a big difference, once you have some pointed places to guess? It's hard to compare yaskos genetics with 23andme, but several of the key ones overlap and 23andme has been known to have some pretty deep discounts (last one was $99 for the full panel).
Yup - hair tests reflect metals in circulation (or mercury affecting mineral transport, which it can do without circulating). Metals sequestered in viruses and bacteria won't show up on a hair test. DS had a "clean" hair test - lower levels of all the metals after the zeolite chelation we did. And I'll bet lots of money his next hair test (just about to send another one in), shows elevated metals courtesy of all the supps we have brought on board in the past 2.5 months. We're moving metals again, I think, just introduced a BH4 supp.

I am doing some genetic "guessing" with the rest of the family. I tried to predict DS' genetics based on my observations of him, and the pee test results I had back before the genetics. I was right on about 1/2. He doesn't have a couple mutations I expected him to have. And he has several that I found really surprising (mostly related to neurotransmitters, fatty acid digestion, and the super high need for B12). So I'd have been experimenting for a long time to get things right for him. With DH, I think it's one or two points I can lean on, and I should be able to improve things for him.

But here's an example of the puzzle if you don't do genetics - DS has two very tough MTRR mutations, so he does a pathetic job of recycling B12. That will grind your methylation cycle to a screaming halt. With two of these mutations, odds are reasonably good that everyone else in the family has at least one - but if we have poor methylation, it's a lot less obvious (no seasonal allergies, no toxic load according to hair tests, no big immune system impairments). And we'd likely need to take 8-10mg of B12 a day to figure out with of us share his mutations.

So I'm sharing what I'm learning because I think there are a few key points that anyone could experiment with - and if they help just a few people here, that's a great thing. But if you have a complex set of health issues, and if you have the funds, I think the genetics test is well worth it. I think the 123andme test is great, I just couldn't figure any way to get DS to give me that much spit - but it's a great option for others. I'm watching for it to get cheap to test the rest of my family! (So please, if anyone sees the $99 deal, yell!!)

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Thanks Tanya - I really respect your pov. I agree with what you have to say.

Shannon - How hard was it to find the malic acid? I could also just get it myself. You have enough going on without needing to go to the PO.

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Shannon - How hard was it to find the malic acid? I could also just get it myself. You have enough going on without needing to go to the PO.
it was pretty easy to find, I just bet he'd react, so it seems silly for you to go out and buy a whole bottle. I bet if I wrapped it in bubble wrap, it could just go straight in a mailbox. But yeah, we're slow moving here. It might take a while

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it was pretty easy to find, I just bet he'd react, so it seems silly for you to go out and buy a whole bottle. I bet if I wrapped it in bubble wrap, it could just go straight in a mailbox. But yeah, we're slow moving here. It might take a while
let me try WFs first. If he reacts, I will just return it. Get back to you if needed.
If he reacts though, is it a bad thing? or is it moving aluminum out? hmmm. not sure if I want to contemplate that so much right now.

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Malic acid escorts aluminum out. Most people find it supportive (in the sense that it asks as an escort, rather than mobilizes), but go slow!

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Malic acid escorts aluminum out. Most people find it supportive (in the sense that it asks as an escort, rather than mobilizes), but go slow!
thanks, and thanks for the clarification. I think I've decided to work on the glandulars and then the enzymes first. Keep the malic acid in the back of my head for the future.

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Malic acid can be helpful if you experience die off from the enzymes - it can help escort the aluminum released from gut bacteria out of the body (I give DS 1/3 tablet a day). His pee test had <dl levels of malic acid, so I wanted to support that - and at the time he couldn't eat apples.

I think we've had manageable detox from getting DS' methylation going partly because we had cleared so many metals beforehand with the zeolite. I've kept the zeolite on board at low levels as an escort, but those same "low levels" caused plenty of detox back when we first started.

There are definitely plenty of people who trigger detox WAY too fast adding in methylation supps, so for those of you who have metals loads and have done no chelation, definitely - move REALLY slowly.

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Ok so now I'm feeling a bit unsure about starting the enzymes(ordered them yesterday)because of metal issues. I have not a clue what metals we could/are dealing with so Is it better to know what metals you could possibly be dealing with first? I would hate to move things around especially for DD and not know how to deal with it.
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Ok so now I'm feeling a bit unsure about starting the enzymes(ordered them yesterday)because of metal issues. I have not a clue what metals we could/are dealing with so Is it better to know what metals you could possibly be dealing with first? I would hate to move things around especially for DD and not know how to deal with it.
There isn't really any way to be sure - bacteria can sequester metals, so there is no way to test for them. The deal is, if you go slowly in adding the enzymes, then you give a person's body time to deal with the metals. We all deal with low level metals exposure all the time - in what we eat, touch, breathe... so just go slow (open capsules and sprinkle a tiny amount on each meal to start with, for example).

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There isn't really any way to be sure - bacteria can sequester metals, so there is no way to test for them. The deal is, if you go slowly in adding the enzymes, then you give a person's body time to deal with the metals. We all deal with low level metals exposure all the time - in what we eat, touch, breathe... so just go slow (open capsules and sprinkle a tiny amount on each meal to start with, for example).
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I think I missed something in this thread...

What's the connection between aluminum and apples??

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LOL! Apples are high in malic acid, which is a key Kreb's cycle intermediary, and also (according to Yasko) helps escort aluminum out of the body. I think Shannon is hypothesizing that some kids who react to apples may actually be reacting to the malic acid content.

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mamafish - Thanks for the tip on how to do the finger prick.
I am really interested in the genetic aspect, but I've heard Yasko's RNA supplements aren't cheap. I'm hoping to follow her recommendations, but not necessarily using everything she sells.

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We don't use the RNAs at all. Her new compounded supps are wonderful - they make it pretty quick and easy to get supplements by mutation in place, without having to mix 200 capsules. We tried a couple of the RNAs, didn't see any noticeable effects, and at that price, I needed "wow" to keep buying them. For us, fortunately, the "wow" supps have been things like her digestive enzymes, and GABA, both of which are cheap!!

What I've done is put in all her supps recs (with a few minor exceptions) for step 1 supports, and then carefully chosen compounded supps by mutation (I left off a couple that I think can be more cheaply addressed by a single supp or two). And I've started everything at 1/3 - 1/2 of her recommended dosages. Now we will hold at those levels for a couple of weeks, and run her two primary diagnostic pee tests. Yasko uses those two tests to see how methylation is working, neurotransmitter balance, kreb's cycle function, etc and recommends tweaks to your supps program based on that. So I figure we will use those tests to tell us if we still need to increase or add any supps (that's why I started by adding 1/3 -1/2 of the suggested dose, we can always move up if needed). Judging from results, I'll be surprised if we aren't most of the way there at the doses we have in place.

Anyhow, when you get your test results, I'm happy to chat with you about how we implemented her suggestions while keeping costs as reasonable as possible. There are ways to cut corners, and still get great results, I think!

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That's good to hear!
I'm already using enzymes on DD and me. I love love love digestive enzymes. Can you tell?

I will most definitely bug you once I get the Yasko results.

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LOL! Apples are high in malic acid, which is a key Kreb's cycle intermediary, and also (according to Yasko) helps escort aluminum out of the body. I think Shannon is hypothesizing that some kids who react to apples may actually be reacting to the malic acid content.
Lol- I figured that out after I typed it... but then I was confused because I thought you (or someone) recommended using the malic acid. But if you're reacting to the apples because of the malic acid, then straight malic acid would be a really bad idea, no?

And speaking of.... how likely is it that someone would react to apples because of aluminum? We're trialing apples right now, and DD is having a slight skin reaction (I'm pretty sure it's the apples, but it could be something else), but no other reaction symptoms. Oh- and she's moderately high aluminum if you didn't know that.

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