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I'm tentatively planning to keep the GABA (Shannon, I'm using one of Yasko's GABA for each kid, so that's 500mg... 2 was iffy, I think the emotional/tiredness stuff was borderline there, so I stepped back) and the grapeseed extract in place for a while, to see if it eases things as we start chelating again in the fall. I haven't noticed a difference with the GABA, so part of me thinks it's odd to keep, except it's the norm for supps to be generally helpful without giving big, specific immediate benefits for us (the ones I write about are the exception, but I think stuff is mostly working well together, the B6 being an exception--though it took 2 years to cause issues).

eta: Deb, that was to say, I can't tell if the new supps are enough that I don't see issues now, and they can help prevent me seeing them later when I'm giving the kids ALA and things are more likely to be out of balance, or it's just flat-out not our issue. But since things seem to be working well, and I _really_ want to have enough in place that we can get into a good rhythm of ALA rounds this fall, I think these are worthwhile. So thanks.

And I don't know if it's the DHA--I started some in Apr/May when I learned his vision is so bad, and then more later when I found a cheaper source--or the remyelination supps, or the combination of the two--but I think DS is doing well making connections, making good developmental progress, maybe even developmental leaps. I think these are affordable enough that I can keep them for, say, the remainder of the year and then at some point see which I can drop while we're chelating and not see any issues start to crop up.
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I am interested in this connection between glutamates and ear wax... what's the mechanism for that? My lo has always had copious dark ear wax pretty much since he was born. He is at "baseline" (for us means no diarrhea, mucous poop, skin rxns) but still has the ear wax, cradle crap, and darkish undereyes. We are off a lot of foods, so I am not interested in eliminating anything else.
DD has always had excess wax too. She had bad cradle cap but I picked it off when she was about 13 months and it hasn't returned(she's 2) so that's a good sign right? I wonder If she still has a lot of earwax I haven't had anyone look in her ears in awhile. Dd also has the darkish under eyes that get puffy usually first thing in the AM. Do your LOs eyes get puffy??
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I'm tentatively planning to keep the GABA (Shannon, I'm using one of Yasko's GABA for each kid, so that's 500mg... 2 was iffy, I think the emotional/tiredness stuff was borderline there, so I stepped back) and the grapeseed extract in place for a while, to see if it eases things as we start chelating again in the fall. I haven't noticed a difference with the GABA, so part of me thinks it's odd to keep, except it's the norm for supps to be generally helpful without giving big, specific immediate benefits for us (the ones I write about are the exception, but I think stuff is mostly working well together, the B6 being an exception--though it took 2 years to cause issues).

eta: Deb, that was to say, I can't tell if the new supps are enough that I don't see issues now, and they can help prevent me seeing them later when I'm giving the kids ALA and things are more likely to be out of balance, or it's just flat-out not our issue. But since things seem to be working well, and I _really_ want to have enough in place that we can get into a good rhythm of ALA rounds this fall, I think these are worthwhile. So thanks.

And I don't know if it's the DHA--I started some in Apr/May when I learned his vision is so bad, and then more later when I found a cheaper source--or the remyelination supps, or the combination of the two--but I think DS is doing well making connections, making good developmental progress, maybe even developmental leaps. I think these are affordable enough that I can keep them for, say, the remainder of the year and then at some point see which I can drop while we're chelating and not see any issues start to crop up.
That's really cool, Tanya. I can't attribute improvements to specific supps any more either - we've seen some general improvements, and I'm willing to foot the supps bill for now to keep them in place. Once we're done with metals (close now, I think), and get through a winter without being sick all the time, and get through Yasko's more intensive language/remyelination protocol, then I will start experimenting with reducing some of the supps. But I can tell that they make a big difference - chelating doesn't trash his sleep any more, for example. And as DH put it, he'll happily pay $300/month for me to have sleep . But that's the bill for a pretty complex kid.

The connections your son is making is interesting - that's the progress people tend to report with both better methylation and remyelination, so sounds very positive. Subtle, but as you say, your kids don't tend to have a lot of "obvious" symptoms. You'll know more when you try to chelate or when you hit the winter cold season!

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OK... so I followed the link from my other thread over to here. I read the thread and bought GABA and grapeseed extract to try the experiment in post #19. I gave it to Toad twice today (I knew the post said one capsule and then later morning and afternoon and thought that was the first day ) and he was off.the.wall today. Lots of meltdowns, out of character more needy of attention and interaction as well as constant supervision.

Now he sometimes has days like this... but is there any chance it was the GABA? Because he certainly was not "mushy" or sleepy or any of the good things listed that GABA is supposed to help with if you need it.

I don't know whether to try another two or three tomorrow or just give up on this. I wanted to get perspectives from those who knew more than I.

Side note: Would the fact there is B6 in it have any effect? They didn't have GABA without B6 as well...

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Yep- that sounds about like the reaction we got from GABA too.

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OK... so I followed the link from my other thread over to here. I read the thread and bought GABA and grapeseed extract to try the experiment in post #19. I gave it to Toad twice today (I knew the post said one capsule and then later morning and afternoon and thought that was the first day ) and he was off.the.wall today. Lots of meltdowns, out of character more needy of attention and interaction as well as constant supervision.

Now he sometimes has days like this... but is there any chance it was the GABA? Because he certainly was not "mushy" or sleepy or any of the good things listed that GABA is supposed to help with if you need it.

I don't know whether to try another two or three tomorrow or just give up on this. I wanted to get perspectives from those who knew more than I.

Side note: Would the fact there is B6 in it have any effect? They didn't have GABA without B6 as well...
Dang, there are a lot of you in the 10% who have a hard time adding GABA! That's how DS reacted to it as well. We persisted, because it is critical to language, but I had to add it VERY slowly. He's still only getting 2/3 capsule a day, and that is spread out into 4 doses (mixed in with his other boatload of supps he gets 4x a day). He needed B12 to be able to handle the gaba as well. However, it has been one of the most valuable supps to add - it took a couple of weeks to kick in, and we had to sneak up the dosing from a sprinkle, a tiny increase at a time, but it has definitely helped with both calm and sleep.

B6 wouldn't be helpful here, but not every kid is sensitive to it.

Tomorrow, try the grapeseed extract instead. That one seems to be easy for everyone to add, and it directly works on the glutamate side of things. If that goes well, try adding a much, much smaller amount of GABA and see what impact that has.

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ACK!!! That isn't good. OK... but it is good to know that he might still need it so we shouldn't give up just yet. changingseasons does your child take it at all now?

I will try the GSE. I wanted to get opinions on what I have before I give it to him though. It's this one. Good? Bad? Do I want something else or will that work. I'm asking because it says concentrate and I don't know what that means in this case.

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Nope, we gave up. I was really just trying it to counter her craziness during food reactions, but it just made it worse.

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Alison, that seems like it should work - just start slow .

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DD has always had excess wax too. She had bad cradle cap but I picked it off when she was about 13 months and it hasn't returned(she's 2) so that's a good sign right? I wonder If she still has a lot of earwax I haven't had anyone look in her ears in awhile. Dd also has the darkish under eyes that get puffy usually first thing in the AM. Do your LOs eyes get puffy??
His eyes were really puffy for a long time. Maybe his first year or so? He still gets that occasionally. Maybe it's histamines? He doesnt seem to react to them much anymore but he used to often.

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Pancreas and enzymes thread
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Alison, that seems like it should work - just start slow .
OK, I gave him a part of one capsule today. What am I looking for here? How will I know when we've hit the right amount (or on the flip side if it's not going to work at all).

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"Vitamin B6, manganese, taurine and lysine can increase both GABA synthesis and effects"
http://www.dcnutrition.com/aminoacid...cordNumber=133

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did this link get posted yet?
http://www.dramyyasko.com/Publicatio...C5C540020.html

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Dang, there are a lot of you in the 10% who have a hard time adding GABA! That's how DS reacted to it as well. We persisted, because it is critical to language, but I had to add it VERY slowly. He's still only getting 2/3 capsule a day, and that is spread out into 4 doses (mixed in with his other boatload of supps he gets 4x a day). He needed B12 to be able to handle the gaba as well. However, it has been one of the most valuable supps to add - it took a couple of weeks to kick in, and we had to sneak up the dosing from a sprinkle, a tiny increase at a time, but it has definitely helped with both calm and sleep.

B6 wouldn't be helpful here, but not every kid is sensitive to it.

Tomorrow, try the grapeseed extract instead. That one seems to be easy for everyone to add, and it directly works on the glutamate side of things. If that goes well, try adding a much, much smaller amount of GABA and see what impact that has.
What kind of things might you see adding just the grapeseed extract w/out the GABA, in terms of realizing if it was helpful? I'm honestly fearful of adding GABA and getting a huge crazy-ds reaction, which I just don't know that I could handle atm. I feel like he probably does have glutamate issues, and we both had wonky reactions to drinking quite a bit of oatstraw infusion (him for the first time, me in a large amount after not having it in a loooooong time) 2 days ago. He has seemed more off the wall/full of energy/needing to bang his body around the place--lots of jumping, slamming into the floor/wall/me/etc. (I got a really foggy head, which lasted overnight, to the next day, and seemed to clear up mostly soon after eating a couple handfuls of almonds, which I realize are a high GABA food. Not sure if that's why, but I found it fascinating...)

If I were to try grapeseed extract, how many milligrams would you start w/? Approx? Ds is 3, 40 lbs.

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grapseed extract, I do a capsule a day for DS, who is 3 - and I started with a full capsule. I see less stimming and better sleep, but mostly it helps with tolerating gaba and high glutamate foods.

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Thanks mamafish--do you know how many milligrams are in one of your capsules? I've seen them range from 50-100mg I think, and have seen the liquid extract in 25 mg doses...

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Thanks mamafish--do you know how many milligrams are in one of your capsules? I've seen them range from 50-100mg I think, and have seen the liquid extract in 25 mg doses...
Ours is 100mg I believe and we too did a full capsule right from the start. So far so good with him with that. I even added a sprinkle of GABA to it now and he's ok with that (he reacted very badly when we tried GABA first).

My son is 3 as well (will be 4 next month) and around 36-38lbs.

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Thanks triscuitsmom!

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bumping, for the b12/calcium/magnesium/glutamate connections on page 1.

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I want to try GABA myself for quite some time but not sure which brand to start off with, any suggestions

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