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Because of his sister's wheat problem, he is now corn, gluten, dairy, and soy free. And sesame.

His probiotics are corn-free, but he got bad eczema after starting both those and the B12. I discovered the 'corn-free' B12 has mannitol...so I need a replacement.
Okay, got it. I really hate how dominant corn is.

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Sooooo annoying!!!!! I keep hoping it's not the corn, even though his IgG tested positive for it. If ever I needed a mistake, that would be it! lol The B12 is helping with other things though so I hate to drop it, kwim????

ETA: You know, if anyone had told me 2 months ago when we started this on our Dr's advice that we would be free of all those things right now, I'd have looked at them like they had 3 heads!

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OK, so I know I blew off the apple thing, but...then I saw him chugging apple juice this morning too. Costco size. I forgot I'd bought him a few gallons of pure apple juice a couple weeks ago, because I was having a hard time finding juices he could have (with no added citric acid or whatnot) and was excited about this one. So maybe add that to apples being in season, and get lots of eczema? His IgG didn't indicate any apple problems but maybe it's the salycilates or something now that that has been brought up for DD2? Maybe he's just past his threshold given the combo of apples and juice? Because I'm fairly certian it's not the probiotics given how bad his eczema is right now. Will a few days of no apples or juice be long enough? I'm not gonna lie, we have plans to go apple picking on Monday!!!

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My son used to react to dairy, gluten, corn, soy, potatoes, apples, and salicylates (extremely sensitive). He has all those back now except for apples. They are high in more things than sals, and they are hard to digest, and man, they cause no end of grief for my kiddo (he doesn't get eczema, but they make him big time itchy).

My son's autistic, and pretty much non-verbal. Saturday at the farmer's market, he used a word to request food for only the 2nd time ever. "Apple". We hadn't tried them for months, so I tried them again. Yeah, fail. He'll only ask for two foods by name, and I can't give him one. So trust me when I say I get how much it sucks to have a kid react to apples .

It may also be a volume thing - where he could handle some apples, but not as much as he's getting right now. I'd take them out completely for a few days, see if the eczema clears up - at least then you'd know that was for sure the issue.

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Aw, now that really sucks!!! I can imagine all you'd want to do is give him whatever he asks for!

We'll avoid the apples for the next few days and see what happens. He finished the juice today anyway. Apples are his staple, so I'm hoping it's a threshold thing if they are the culprit! The joy, however, would be that a silly trace of corn in his B12 doesn't give him eczema, and that I wouldn't have to be quite that maniacal about it, kwim? Apples are easier to avoid that traces of corn!

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I hear you. DS reacted to corn, but not trace corn, so I hope that is the case for you - it's a real pain to avoid entirely.

See my post to changingseasons in the chat thread though - if you need trace corn out, you might be able to make "homemade" liquid B12 by dumping Thorne mB12 caps into water, and then use the liquid as drops/spray (some will get swallowed, but some will get absorbed sublingually too).

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OK, so here we are, no apples (maybe one a few days ago by accident), and big, bright red eczema on his arm. We did have a potluck at homeschool coop yesterday, but we were careful. He had chili, which I figured should be moderately safe, but in hindsight, it's not likely she made it entirely from scratch the way I do (and always have, actually). I'm waiting for the ingredients, but man it's a bad patch of eczema.

Now, to be fair, he was crawling on the floor and stuff too...so dust mites could be a factor. However I'm starting to wonder if it will ever go away completely, like I'm chasing a white rabbit. And if the trace of corn in his B12 isn't the cause, considering it was clearing up the past few days (though not all the way gone)....what the heck is? I'm tempted to cut the B12 and probiotics out together and see what happens, even though getting rid of the probiotics didn't make a difference. I'm just confused. I wasn't 100% strict this weekend (he had a bagel, idk what the ingredients were) and he was fine and even started to clear up. Then BAM! outbreak after potluck yesterday.

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I'd totally assume he's reacting to something at the potluck, eating other people's food is fraught with issues.

Potential issues just with the chili... lots of people put TVP (soy) in their chili. Spices & tomatoes = high sals. Some chili uses broth as a base, which depending on the broth can involve gluten, corn, soy, sals... Some use ingredients like worchestshire sauce (often has corn syrup). You get the idea. Given what you said about apple juice though, and that you have a daughter who is likely low mag, I'd suspect it's plain old sals overload from the tomatoes & spices (tomato sauce is concentrated, so I could eat plain raw tomato fairly early on when DS was sals sensitive, but tomato paste/sauce/ketchup took a LOT longer for him to tolerate). And chili uses a lot of high sals spices and a pretty high quantity of them.

Oh, and duh - tomatoes are also very high in histamine, which is what you're trying to shut down with the mB12 and C. If that's the issue, give him lots of C and extra mB12 today and it should help a lot. Epsom salts bath to help some if it's sals.

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Yeah, the chili turned out to be a bad idea, I think. But I just couldn't tell him he couldn't have anything, kwim? I'll be better prepared next time.

Interesting on the tomatoes. Cooking spaghetti for him right now. : I'm not sure how much I can keep changing here, I have a closet full of food and I keep having to shelve things higher and higher as they are eliminated. We eat a lot of tomatoes though...spaghetti, chili, etc. I guess we'll see where it goes with DD2 and move onto sals with him next if needed, but I need to shop from scratch all. over. again. to make that happen. At least DH is going to be around for a few weeks so maybe I can feel like I can actually plan this stuff out.

Also...interesting to note...he forgot his vitamins yesterday morning.

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I know the feeling - the first couple of months while we figured out what we could eat were expensive & frustrating. DH and DD ate a LOT of our cast-offs. But it will get better...

Tomatoes are a double whammy of sals & histamines, and your son likely has overactive histamines right now, so that's definitely one to consider going lightly on... Try extra mB12 before he eats.

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I'm curious why he lost the So Delicious Coconut Milk? I contacted the company and they told me it is corn free (their website also confirms this). Is is for another reason? Just wanted to make sure since my dd can't have corn either.

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As I said in another post, DS's IgG came back low reactive to corn. I need to test it out this week. Luckily, DS loves fruits and veggies, but I'd like to bake some things for him too. He is already dairy free and soy free (going yeast-free now too), and with this now I just lost our butter substitute. I got some coconut oil today. He has also lost his So Delicious coconut milk and Silk chocolate almond milk, not to mention a number of his supplements. I can make baking powder, fine. But vanilla extract? What do I do? I was going to bake cookies this evening but now I don't know how?????

He's been on the verge of tears several times today because everything we pick up has some sort of corn derivative in it (or some other item he can't have).
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I actually made an error on that one, I think it was really their kefir he couldn't have.

I'm still wondering about this corn thing though. His eczema is worse than I can recall it being in a year. Maybe it's not from food. I know I still have the trace amounts in his mB12, but if that small amount causes it, he's in real trouble. We're trying no salicylates now, and it doesn't seem to be helping him, either. It's only been a couple days, but I saw results very quickly with DD2. With Halloween coming and no real resolution for him, I'm losing my mojo. We might have to take 2 weeks off and start again, I can control Tday and Christmas much easier.

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For the chili, if he reacts to corn, I haven't found a tomato sauce yet that doesn't contain citric acid. I use tomato paste now to avoid it, but everyone I know uses tomato sauce for theirs. And if they put a little hot sauce in it, that contains vinegar (usually white vinegar which can be wheat or corn).

And for apples, it was one of DD2's worst ones. She just got it back after 3 years off them. And she's allowed 2 apples or 1 applesauce and 1 apple every 4 days. And the apple juice is too strong (she didn't sleep after having half a diluted glass one day). DS was off them for 2 years and just got them back (same rotation) as well. DD2 used to guzzle apple juice and not sleep at all. Her eczema trigger was corn. Of course it's different for everyone, to make things more exciting, so that food journal is worth its weight in gold.

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I'm still wondering about this corn thing though. His eczema is worse than I can recall it being in a year. Maybe it's not from food. I know I still have the trace amounts in his mB12, but if that small amount causes it, he's in real trouble. We're trying no salicylates now, and it doesn't seem to be helping him, either. It's only been a couple days, but I saw results very quickly with DD2. With Halloween coming and no real resolution for him, I'm losing my mojo. We might have to take 2 weeks off and start again, I can control Tday and Christmas much easier.
He's only been off a whopping amount of sals for two days, give it a little longer to see the impact. You saw improvement in your DD behaviorally at first, right?, and that will respond faster than skin. Push the mag & mo, and give it a few more days off tomatoes .

If you don't see improvement in a few more days, I'd circle back around to the VOCs theory.

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For the chili, if he reacts to corn, I haven't found a tomato sauce yet that doesn't contain citric acid. I use tomato paste now to avoid it, but everyone I know uses tomato sauce for theirs. And if they put a little hot sauce in it, that contains vinegar (usually white vinegar which can be wheat or corn).

And for apples, it was one of DD2's worst ones. She just got it back after 3 years off them. And she's allowed 2 apples or 1 applesauce and 1 apple every 4 days. And the apple juice is too strong (she didn't sleep after having half a diluted glass one day). DS was off them for 2 years and just got them back (same rotation) as well. DD2 used to guzzle apple juice and not sleep at all. Her eczema trigger was corn. Of course it's different for everyone, to make things more exciting, so that food journal is worth its weight in gold.
The chili definitely had things with citric acid, plus a packet of seasoning which I'm sure contained dextrose. The corn thing makes me sad. He's been off apples for over a week now though, and no change.
I need to food journal for him. He just eats all. the. time. LOL

BTW, I found Bertolli Organic sauce has no soybean oil or citric acid. And I had found a few different canned tomatoes without citric acid, too.

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He's only been off a whopping amount of sals for two days, give it a little longer to see the impact. You saw improvement in your DD behaviorally at first, right?, and that will respond faster than skin. Push the mag & mo, and give it a few more days off tomatoes .

If you don't see improvement in a few more days, I'd circle back around to the VOCs theory.
I'm impatient at this point, sorry LOL. It's just making me sad with Halloween this weekend, his scout Halloween party tonight, etc. I don't think I'm going to full-enforce salicylates for him until later next week. I had already ordered a bunch of corn-free candy, not sals free of course lol, so it's going to take longer for sure. I need to place that supplement order today and do something for corn-free mB12, because that is the only corn he consumes everyday and his eczema is really, really red, and it started after a week of being gone right when we started those pills. I've changed brands, but instead of mannitol it just has magnesium stearate instead...though that doesn't necessarily come from corn. I should call the company and find out.

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Enzymatic Therapy, per their trainer, says that their B12 Infusion contains no corn, nothing derived from corn, even though it has mannitol. It looks to me like maybe mannitol does not always come from corn? This is the mB12 I was giving him in the beginning, right now he is taking Bluebonnet but that one does not state corn-free (I missed an ingredient when I was in the store and grabbed it). I'm waiting to hear back from a couple other companies, this and this and also thinking about the one from Pure Advantage on iHerb, just in case everyone is lying to me. That would be the last of the trace corn DS could be consuming, that silly little mB12 that I can't give up because it helps his enviro symptoms immensely. The next best thing will be going back to zyrtec (which I'd have to have compounded) for a while just to make sure there is no corn going in. Zyrtec never helped his eczema, so it wouldn't interfere too much with figuring out the source of that. And with any luck his enviro symptoms will go away in another month or two when it finally gets cold here...

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If Enzymatic Therapy can tell you what their mannitol is derived from, then believe them. If they can't, assume it's corn .

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Um yeah that's kind of what I thought. And I just got my email response, and the medical department confirmed that yes, mannitol is derived from corn. They said it shouldn't have any proteins left, but of course every individual is different for sensitivity so it could bother some people.

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Yeah, that's what I figured . IgE allergies are about the protein, so that's all they tend to believe in. IgG, it can be any part of the food, especially with corn.

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I FOUND CORN-FREE MB12!!!!!!!

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I heard back from the company again this morning. The sorbitol is derived from tapioca. The rep is so nice, she is waiting to hear back for me about the strawberry flavor and sals, since their label also says it has no sals. At any rate, I'd take trace sals if it gets rid of the corn, lol, unless removing the sals gets rid of his eczema before I get new B12!!!

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Very cool! Strawberry flavor is sals, whatever she says, but it may be just a little and do OK (B12 doesn't taste bad, so they don't really need to mask it).

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So, ugh, the rep got back to me about the strawberry flavor. It's derived from corn, but doesn't contain sals. :irk That said, it probably contains less corn than the other forms we've been using, so I may try it out soon if things don't get better with the other changes.

Still trying to figure out DS. The weather is changing and his enviro allergies are lessening, so that helps. I almost wish the cold dry weather would hurry up so the dust mites will all die and we can eliminate his biggest allergen for a while. It might let us focus on the other stuff easier...and see if the foods have anything at all do with his eczema. His eczema is ok, but he got a random breakout behind his knee and on his chest, places he never gets it. I have my doubts about food causing it, or being the only cause at any rate. I mean, I knwo it's not, because he definitely breaks out from dust exposure. I have no idea what's going on with him. I'm having a real hard time working on him and DD2 at the same time, and working her gf with his df/corn-f and getting everyone what they need. I really need to sit down and figure out some more meals and snacks. I feel bad, because all this food exploration started to fix him, and has mostly turned into huge leaps for DD2 instead.

I need a couple notebooks to really start recording what they each eat and how they act. I know, I know, I should have been doing this already.

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For the chili, if he reacts to corn, I haven't found a tomato sauce yet that doesn't contain citric acid. I use tomato paste now to avoid it, but everyone I know uses tomato sauce for theirs. And if they put a little hot sauce in it, that contains vinegar (usually white vinegar which can be wheat or corn).

And for apples, it was one of DD2's worst ones. She just got it back after 3 years off them. And she's allowed 2 apples or 1 applesauce and 1 apple every 4 days. And the apple juice is too strong (she didn't sleep after having half a diluted glass one day). DS was off them for 2 years and just got them back (same rotation) as well. DD2 used to guzzle apple juice and not sleep at all. Her eczema trigger was corn. Of course it's different for everyone, to make things more exciting, so that food journal is worth its weight in gold.


Do you know of any white vinegars that are not distilled from corn or wheat? While at home, I can control the type of vinegars I consume. But, I am concerned about not being able to eat pickled items or condiments when I am out in public.


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For the chili, if he reacts to corn, I haven't found a tomato sauce yet that doesn't contain citric acid. I use tomato paste now to avoid it, but everyone I know uses tomato sauce for theirs. And if they put a little hot sauce in it, that contains vinegar (usually white vinegar which can be wheat or corn).<br><br>
And for apples, it was one of DD2's worst ones. She just got it back after 3 years off them. And she's allowed 2 apples or 1 applesauce and 1 apple every 4 days. And the apple juice is too strong (she didn't sleep after having half a diluted glass one day). DS was off them for 2 years and just got them back (same rotation) as well. DD2 used to guzzle apple juice and not sleep at all. Her eczema trigger was corn. Of course it's different for everyone, to make things more exciting, so that food journal is worth its weight in gold.</div>
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Do you know of any white vinegars that are not distilled from corn or wheat? While at home, I can control the type of vinegars I consume. But, I am concerned about not being able to eat pickled items or condiments when I am out in public.</p>
No. Apple cider vinegar or wine vinegar would be safe from corn. I don't eat pickled anything out and I'm not even corn free anymore (just gluten, dairy, soy, and some others).

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