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We're getting new people in Chat, it's so nice! Consider becoming one of them.

As usual, I'm not creative, it's October and it's Chat. Come chat about the weird things that can only happen because you or a loved one has allergies, intolerances, or other odd reactions to foods or something in your environment.

It's a nice place for quick answers to simple questions, or a quick poll of "Am I nuts for....?" or just a place to feel normal.

And just for JR, here's a link to September's Chat, in case you need to go back to find a hidden gem.
http://www.mothering.com/discussions....php?t=1259478
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Continuing Amazon Subscribe and Save discussion... I really like this too. We have multiple things on it like the fruit crisps DS likes for his snack at school
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...SIN=B001942GAI

(seriously what is wrong with this picture: they have snack at 9:30 and lunch at 11:10, if I don't pack a really light snack he never eats his lunch and then is a complete ravenous bear when comes home at 3:00!!)

I really like it because I can delay or send a shipment whenever I want and get free shipping plus a reduced price. If I need something right away I can just tell it to send now.
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Wow- that's crazy that snack and lunch are so close. And then nothing else for the rest of the day?!

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You also mentioned vitamin C. I am wary of taking it because I hit bowel tolerance REALLY fast. Like if I take one gram in the morning and another in the evening, it is going to hit me hard.

I don't know if that is a sign of something else, or if it just means I have enough. The need for higher doses is based on having toxins that you want it to bind to, right? So maybe I am just low in toxins? Maybe I have enough C in my diet to handle the load of toxins already?
My head isn't willing to think about insulin right now. But C... Tolerance is supposed to have to do with how much you need/can absorb. My data point is that normally I can take boatloads, with no issue. LOTS. At the end of my pg with ds, my gut was messed up and I couldn't take *any.* Recently, same gut weirdness, same not being able to take any. Probiotics (kefir/yogurt) has completely fixed it. I haven't played to find my new level, but I'm going to say that for me at least, gut bacteria balance or lack thereof seems to be a major factor.

I said I wouldn't talk about insulin, but one explanation is damage to cell membranes, which might be related to high metabolic toxins, which might be due to gut bacteria again.

Did I mention that I've been slowly feeling so much better/energetic/motivated/happier since starting this enzyme route 4 months ago, at least when I'm not in detox mode (80% of the time )

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Wow- that's crazy that snack and lunch are so close. And then nothing else for the rest of the day?!

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yeah I think some parents in our class are going to talk to the teachers we've been discussing it. Also DS is going into afterschool program on thursdays which means I have to pack 2 snacks, a lunch and 3-4 drinks (because now this year they are allowed to keep a water bottle on their desk and it's apparently a big status symbol in 2nd grade). Oy! Good thing I just found our 4th Sigg bottle. His backpack is so freaking heavy already.

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and let the b12 detox madness begin.

thank goodness dh is home for the weekend, and thank goodness it's still having big impact!

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Look, there are so few posts so far I don't feel overwhelmed - go me!

We'll see if I can keep up this month. I never can.

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I"m still around and read and learning. I also get confuse with the intense conversations. lol Although, i am starting to sound smart when i start talking like you guys. lol Thanks!

Any way to reduce gag reflex so that I can start taking my vits again???

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Waluso, yes! that's what I meant, lol. thx!

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I clearly need to look closer into amazon's ship-and-save plan. I ordered coconut oil once and then I think I accidentally cancelled it a couple months later.

And someone should bump the Halloween thread. Maybe it should be me, but we are about to go out to start finding materials for Halloween costumes--if no one does it, I'll get to it this evening. DD wants to be an angel (ha!) and DS wants to be Capt Huggyface (which given how big his head is, and how he's sorta goofy, fits pretty well).
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Okay, so here goes: jumping into chat after being a long time reader/lurker!

I have posted a couple of threads in H & H and here, but I'll share some details about myself and my kids (all of us with some intolerance issues!)

I'm a 42 year old SAHM to a 10 yo DD and a 2.5 yo DS. I have a long health history that is related to food intolerances and probably mercury issues, so I have spent the last 10 years on a healing mission, learning more and more as time goes on - a lot of what I have learned/researched/implemented is from what I've learned here at MDC and specifically the Allergies forum - thanks ladies!

Both of my children were recently IgG tested, and my DD is doing much better behaviorally (and physically - not congested/snoring anymore) since removing gluten and dairy. My son hadn't shown much symptomatically (other than some KP), but I have him GF/DF too. They both tested reactive to egg white/yolks (my DS more so), so we are EF too.

So here's my issue: I don't think that eggs were really ever an issue. I posted in the Allergy forum in June, asking if the egg result could be a false positive. We had eaten a lot of eggs before that (baked goods, hard boiled eggs, ate eggs every 2nd/3rd day for breakfast, etc), and frankly I wasn't seeing any symptoms/reactions that I would connect to the eggs. My kids and I went egg free (well I did, at least as long as I was nursing - now I have some gluten free bread products that are made with eggs as an ingredient). It's been about two months now - and I don't see and differences/improvements being egg free (though my daughter is doing better, but for what ever reason, I really think it's from the GF/DF part).

mamafish, I know from reading/lurking that you recently have gone through this egg issue with your son, and talked about how there are differences between cooked eggs and raw eggs (which they use for the IgG test). Do you have any links to research that talks about that? I haven't been able to find/gain access to research that talks about that. My ND doesn't believe that there is a difference.

For the sake of optimal healing, I normally would just stay the course, suck it up and live without eggs for a couple of more months and then trial and/or retest eggs, but we are flying on an unexpected last minute trip to Hawaii on Tuesday, and I'm freaking about how to handle the food restriction issues: the resort is going to be able to work with us abou the GF/DF issue, but I'm not as sure about the eggs. My ND said since they aren't ana for eggs, to go and enjoy ourselves and not worry about eggs.

What do you guys think about just letting go of the worry about egg consumption while on this trip? and maybe just putting them back in our diets cuz they are sooo good , and oh yeah, soooo nutritious?

And, yeah, I need to be here! My DH is pretty supportive (but utterly clueless, and I say that with love and kindness), but other than that, I get grief from others (and get outright passive aggressive behavior/disbelief of testing results and improvement on restrictive diet from my MIL, who we usually only see 1-2 times/year, but we usually stay with the IL's or at least share meals - let's just say she has now lost the privelege to feed my kids in the future )

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So here's my issue: I don't think that eggs were really ever an issue. I posted in the Allergy forum in June, asking if the egg result could be a false positive. We had eaten a lot of eggs before that (baked goods, hard boiled eggs, ate eggs every 2nd/3rd day for breakfast, etc), and frankly I wasn't seeing any symptoms/reactions that I would connect to the eggs. My kids and I went egg free (well I did, at least as long as I was nursing - now I have some gluten free bread products that are made with eggs as an ingredient). It's been about two months now - and I don't see and differences/improvements being egg free (though my daughter is doing better, but for what ever reason, I really think it's from the GF/DF part).
Welcome to chat! I don't remember if I saw (or responded to) your last thread, but I'll tell you what I know. DD is IgE to eggs, has a pretty huge positive on her skin tests to them. She also got into some eggs on the way home from the grocery store and ended up with full body hives just from them touching her skin. Before we did that skin test, we had already been trialing eggs at home. She didn't seem to have any major symptoms from them, so I was giving her some since like you said- very nutritious! After we got the positive IgE result, I told the allergist that we had been eating eggs. She had in fact eaten 2 whole hard-boiled eggs a couple days before that (this was also before the hives incident.) He told me that eggs are one of the foods that the proteins change dramatically when they're cooked, so some allergic people can handle them just fine if they are well cooked. I've experimented a few times since the test, and she can't handle them baked any less than hard-boiled (like putting them in my waffle batter wasn't enough cooking, she got a couple hives from that.)

So I guess if they are not IgE allergies, and you don't see any symptoms, I would say go for it. When you're back home and can do a proper trial, I would do it... but for a trip, personally I wouldn't worry about it.

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What do you guys think about just letting go of the worry about egg consumption while on this trip? and maybe just putting them back in our diets cuz they are sooo good , and oh yeah, soooo nutritious?
Yeah, absolutely do it! We do better away from home (less stress, I think) and we trialed eggs while camping at Yellowstone and got a pass. I say thoroughly enjoy them while you're gone, and consider it a trial!

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I've only been around MDC for a few months and you mamas have been a lifesaver for me and my DS.

I've a little shy to post here lol, and it gets real busy with all different topics I've tended to chicken out each month Also, I've been so overwhelmed as I'm mostly alone at home with my DS who is a super-sensitive babe (hubby away or working most of the time, family live far, friends live mostly across the pond in the US. Anyway, my family think I'm living on another planet with my parenting preferences so to speak

I started a thread for my DS tonight should anyone want to pop by.

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2 eggs
3/4 c. rice or almond or whatever milk
1/2 c. sorghum flour
1/4 c. tapioca starch/flour
1 Tbs. oil (I use canola or olive)
pinch of salt.
Preheat the muffin tin in a 425F oven. When the pan/oven are preheated, take out the pan, and put about a tsp. of oil in the bottom of each cup. Then divide the batter between the 12 muffin cups. Bake 15 minutes. Turn down to 375F and bake for 20 minutes.

So had my bone density scan, still osteopenia (duh, like it would have gotten better?) and he wants me to take 1500mg calcium/day. I can't tolerate it. I've tried every kind I think and it all makes me nauseous, want to totally vomit for a few hours after taking it. Anyone know of a kind that's absorbed better or more easily or something?

Ordered my Christmas cards from winkflash (they were about half the price of shutterfly and snapfish that I usually do). So that's off my to-do list. But that to-do list is REALLY long!!

Making braised pork/sauerkraut from Julia Child's cookbook. It's almost the same ingredients as my slowcooker version except she uses wine in hers (go figure). So I'm curious if the cooking method makes that much of a difference. She also rinses/soaks her sauerkraut to take out the sourness (never heard of that before). But I'm also making chicken broth from the carcass from last night's dinner (it's been cooking about 22 hours so far) and everyone is smelling that so they want THAT for dinner. And I was trying to just have the broth in the freezer for when I need it. I'm going to make turkey broth next. I want lots of healing foods in my stockpile.

So who was asking about grocery stores from the previous month's thread?
Some of these stores may be regional:
Xpect Discount (toothpaste, almond milk, Bob's Red Mill stuff, rice cakes, regular yogurt, regular Goldfish, safe Italian sausage, Black Pearl olives, eggs, milk, half & half, Real Raspberry Lemonade - I know, I know lots of sugar, but it's really good)
Price Rite (turkey, chicken, beef, chickpeas, navy beans, corned beef, hash, green olives, anchovies, tunafish, frozen peas, all my fruits/veggies, frozen strawberries, frozen oj, pine nuts, frozen wild salmon)
Trader Joes (rice noodles, rice milk)
Whole Foods (palm shortening, rice crackers, Coconut Aminos, white sweet potatoes)
Amazon (Pacific Foods chocolate hazelnut drink - I'm an addict; Namaste pizza crust until I can figure it out myself - I've tried 9 times already)
Costco (almonds, walnuts, maple syrup, raspberries)
my mother (canned tomatoes, safe jelly, safe pickles, zucchini relish, peppers, green beans, tomatoes, eggplant, butternut/acorn squash, cabbage, zucchini, potatoes)

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On eggs...

I was highly sceptical of our IgG + for eggs. We did a TED 15 months ago, and eggs were one of the first foods I brought back in - with no issues. But, because of the test +, we took them out again for a week, and then brought them back in - and when I reintroduced, I gave him scrambled eggs for breakfast, not just a little (probably 1.5 eggs worth). Nothing. Nada. Sorry, if I can't see a reaction taking them out or in, it's not real! And I think CS' daughter is good evidence that eggs really change during cooking, so raw and cooked could be quite different. Trial them back in. If I were going to Hawaii on Tuesday, I'd do it today, so you know, but that's just me .

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Thanks Kathy for the recipe. I made Dutch babies instead, which are quite similar.

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Jane, you've given me a lot to think about in your last post in the Sept thread.

I don't think I have any signs that make me think I am low in C or Mag. (Or, Shannon, that I have gut damage or flora imbalance. I've already pursued that path without getting anywhere. And I eat in a way that is gentle on the gut. ie very low on the usual irritants. And I consume a lot of probiotics. Among other things, for a long time I was drinking about 20 ounces of kefir a day with no effects. I'm kinda tired of kefir now.)

When I read about different deficiencies in different vitamins and minerals, the ones that involve a shortage of fats and fat soluble vitamins sound like me. And fit my diet history.

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Sandrine, if you figure out how to get rid of your gag reflex let me know. I'm having the same issue. But I just buckle down and take my supplements anyway. But it is really funny to me how little of something has to be in my mouth to trigger my gag reflex. Like using my lips to hold my hair clip while both my hands are busy. Even brushing my teeth has been an issue. (TMI ALERT... Yet for some strange reason oral sex isn't causing me to gag. <shrug>)

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I don't think I have any signs that make me think I am low in C or Mag. (Or, Shannon, that I have gut damage or flora imbalance. I've already pursued that path without getting anywhere. And I eat in a way that is gentle on the gut. ie very low on the usual irritants. And I consume a lot of probiotics. Among other things, for a long time I was drinking about 20 ounces of kefir a day with no effects. I'm kinda tired of kefir now.)

When I read about different deficiencies in different vitamins and minerals, the ones that involve a shortage of fats and fat soluble vitamins sound like me. And fit my diet history.
I figure since you keep explaining your reasoning, you don't mind if I keep going? Are you asking for mechanisms that low fats/fat soluble vitamins can cause these issues? Cause massive doses of probiotics did nada for me until I started the pancreatic enzymes, and now they have huge effect. Before, I had no reason to think I had an imbalance. Just sayin' And the primary symptom of exocrine pancreatic deficiency is poor absorption of fat soluble vitamins. And if paancreas *isn't* digesting food that well, how can the gut *not* be out of balance? Then again, my history is that I'm a c-sec baby who was breastfed for 2 years by a mom who's had issues her whole life and who ate nothing but corn syrup or the first week of her life. So gut bugs fit my history, even if my symptoms didn't *at all.*

Yasko uses K for pancreatic support, it's supposed to help with glutamate/calcium ion channels/neurotoxicity. Cell membranes are made up of fats, so not enough or poor quality fats would make for weak membranes. And free radicals (gut imbalance?) combined with MUFA or PUFA=lipid peroxidation, which would wreak havoc on cell membranes.

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Sandrine, if you figure out how to get rid of your gag reflex let me know. I'm having the same issue. But I just buckle down and take my supplements anyway. But it is really funny to me how little of something has to be in my mouth to trigger my gag reflex. Like using my lips to hold my hair clip while both my hands are busy. Even brushing my teeth has been an issue. (TMI ALERT... Yet for some strange reason oral sex isn't causing me to gag. <shrug>)
I mostly only have this when i'm pg. So... I'm stuck with this for another 22wks. :

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I'm about to collapse. And cry (oh wait- already did that.) I don't have anyone IRL to whine to right now, so I'm going to whine to you guys. If anyone saw my FB status yesterday, you know I had a BIG weekend with tons to do. Today was DP's day to sleep in, so I waited patiently, because I couldn't start moving anything into the garage until his car was out (it's dead.) He finally got up, and we started to move the car. He pushed while I steered out to the street, but I just didn't have the strength to turn it far enough with no power steering... so I told him to steer and I would push. Well, he thought he could do both from the doorway of the car. We started pushing and saw he was wincing. I told him to stop pushing, just steer, that I could push it (I was doing fine with pushing, and we only had a couple feet left to go.) He didn't, of course.... and when I got back into the house, he was lying on the floor, couldn't move. Had to help him up to the recliner, put heat and ice on his back for the next hour... arnica, pain pills (left over from his wisdom teeth).... and he still can't move or bend at all without yelling out in pain. (He's not the type of guy who normally lets you know when something hurts, so I know it's bad.)

So my whine is that I moved all the appliances out of the kitchen myself, moved the table, moved all the food, dishes, etc etc etc.... and I am SOOOOO tired. But I still have to finish cleaning and then cover all the cabinets with plastic.

Oh yeah- and I have no stove, because I thought that the stove could use the dryer outlet in the garage... nope. So dinner was pathetic, and I'm hungry and pregnant and exhausted and frustrated, and I have NO idea how I'm going to get this all done by myself. But it HAS to get done, because I don't have a kitchen until it does. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagggggggggggghhhhhhh. I'm about this --> <-- close to ordering a frickin pizza, but I can't even imagine how much worse that would make things right now. sigh.

On a happier note, I made some gf bread this morning that is pretty fabulous.

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I've only been around MDC for a few months and you mamas have been a lifesaver for me and my DS.

I've a little shy to post here lol, and it gets real busy with all different topics I've tended to chicken out each month Also, I've been so overwhelmed as I'm mostly alone at home with my DS who is a super-sensitive babe (hubby away or working most of the time, family live far, friends live mostly across the pond in the US. Anyway, my family think I'm living on another planet with my parenting preferences so to speak

I started a thread for my DS tonight should anyone want to pop by.

Bye for now!! DS awake and crying!
xXx


CS I'm sorry things didn't turn out how you expected.

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#28 of 938 Old 10-03-2010, 12:28 AM
 
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Big, big, big hugs, cs! I've been tempted by that pizza oh so many times lately, but I know it'll just make things worse. I did put some cheddar on my sloppy joes tonight though. We'll ignore that nobody's anywhere near baseline It was yummy!

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Okay, I think I'm getting a crush on these hydroxy b12 megadrops. They're tough to get into dd, and I certainly don't like the screaming mess she becomes the day after, but that's getting less and less. Today, she asked me to make a smoothie. First time ever. And tasted it and instead of saying yuck and swearing off them for the next 2 years, she told me it was too sour, so I could fix it. And when she still didn't drink it she agreed to try a different recipe next time. As in, even though she didn't like it, shes willing to try again!! No big deal, right? THEN she dipped her finger in the butter to taste it and see if she liked it (second lick, she decided she still didn't). And she was willing to try and DID like the honey butter. And she tried the steamed kohlrabi at dinner, and told us she didn't like the crunchiness of the (plain) English muffin we were eating the sloppy joes on, and listened when I suggested she put sloppy joes on it to soften it. Then spontaneously told me she loved me at bedtime, and fell asleep 45 minutes earlier than normal. It's the little things. If I can figure out an easy, reliable way to get it into her, the crush will be full blown love!

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Just saw this... CS I wish I lived close by so I could come and help you!!!

I want to respond to other posts but will have to do so on Monday.

Big and welcome to the new people. Yes you do need to be here it sounds like!
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