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Sorry, Jennifer, I am fumbling my way through this also, so I don't feel qualified to advise anyone. hug2.gif

 

 

I guess we all are fumbling a bitredface.gif  Learning to help my son has been such a process (as you all know from your own experiences).  I am still learning to trust my own instincts and knowledge and ability to do my own research.  Sometimes I just wish someone would tell me what to do but that does not exist.  Even if they do, I am inclined to question everything anyway!  Anyway... I started myself and ds this morning on the clay.  We are taking the hydrated bentonite clay.  I gave him 1/4t in morning and 1/4 just now (mid afternoon)  will probably give another 1/4 t tonight.  He hasn't pooped in a few days so is due to go tonight.  He has been so gassy and miserable I am hoping this will clear up in the next couple of days.  I am following the same schedule but started with 1/2 t.  We will increase gradually as long as we both tolerate.   He is super sensitive too so I am inclined to go very slowly and realize that the amount of clay in the 1/4t of hydrated clay is minimal.  I think I will try to get an appt with our chiro and muscle test him for strains of probiotic.  Then I can make a guided decision on which probiotic to order.  I am looking forward to going through this journey with all of you. 

 

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Yesterday I took 1 teaspoon of hydrated clay in the morning and 1 t again after dinner (most I've taken, but I increased gradually). I'm feeling slightly more movement in my digestive tract and I have a slightly more intense headache today. This is a fun, but very busy, week, so I'm going to hold here at 1 t am & 1 t pm and see how it goes.


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  I'm playing with many different kinds of clay, but the one I've used myself and with MANY others with only positive outcomes is pascalite, which is very mild in terms of detoxifying. 


What does it mean for one clay to be a mild detoxifier and for others to be more powerful? What is going on, physically?

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Theloose...i was wondering the same thing

 

DS is now up to 1/2 t 3x per day and I am up to 1t 3x per day (this is the hydrated clay so very small doses).   He is not itching as much and is having multiple watery bms per day.  He is not in pain and his behaviour and sleep has improved.  This is all in line with restarting the digest gold anyway and the die off easing off which it usually does within a couple of days.  Not sure if that is why he has improved or if the clay is having a positive effect.  I am hoping that his bm will form again soon and will continue to gradually increase the clay to see if that helps.  I so far don't really feel an effect but will continue to gradually increase and see what happens.  He has an appt with our chiro on saturday and I will have him tested for dosing on the clay and for which strains of probiotic he needs.  I am very much looking forward to this.  

 

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from what I've observed over the years, it seems that when you have a highly absorbtive clay it can remove *more* of a toxic load.  When you do, and the body sees an out, so to speak, it will dump more.  So in that instance you will be detoxifying rapidly which even when you have clay in the picture, can be uncomfortable.  You want to remove what the body is comfortable giving or you can elicit an imbalance.

 

Also, what I keep hearing time and again (and just again today, lol!) is that people have resonances with different types of clay.  I LOVE pascalite.  I think it's delicious.  Others love other kinds.  I think that you will know when a clay will be most beneficial when you actually find that the taste is pleasant.  I have a clay that is very detoxifying that I used to think was awful.  Every once in a while I'll go back to it and lo and behold it's gotten milder.  I think it was too much for my system back in the day.

 

Also, mineral distributions will differ slightly between clays and I think our bodies will recognize and respond to (via a few mechanisms, one of which is taste) the ones that are the most beneficial for us.  Our bodies are so interesting. 

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Theloose...i was wondering the same thing

 

DS is now up to 1/2 t 3x per day and I am up to 1t 3x per day (this is the hydrated clay so very small doses).   He is not itching as much and is having multiple watery bms per day.  He is not in pain and his behaviour and sleep has improved.  This is all in line with restarting the digest gold anyway and the die off easing off which it usually does within a couple of days.  Not sure if that is why he has improved or if the clay is having a positive effect.  I am hoping that his bm will form again soon and will continue to gradually increase the clay to see if that helps.  I so far don't really feel an effect but will continue to gradually increase and see what happens.  He has an appt with our chiro on saturday and I will have him tested for dosing on the clay and for which strains of probiotic he needs.  I am very much looking forward to this.  

 

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of course it can happen with digestive enzymes too, but be aware that when you have taken too much clay one of the things you can see is loose stool.
 

 

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I'm taking the bentonite clay in hydrated form. It tastes like water to me.

 

I accidentally over-dosed myself on clay this morning by pouring into a 1/2 t directly over my juice glass. The first 1/2 t was fine, but the second one spilled over quite a bit. No telling how much clay I ended up taking, but I'd guess a total of 1.5 teaspoons this morning. I've been running all over all day long, so I haven't even checked in with my body. Any effects haven't been severe or they would have made themselves known. LOL

 

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I suspect that my two clay blend of red and green clay is too detoxifying for me and baby girl.  It is great for DH and ok for my boys.  I will be getting small amounts of pascalite and green clay soon and see what's best for me.


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I inadvertently missed 3 doses of the clay in a row due to a crazy schedule (evening on 23rd and am & pm on 24th). I stink!!!! I mean really smelly. grossedout.gif

 

Does this mean the clay is working? Toxins presumably don't smell like roses, eh? winky.gif

 

I'm throwing my DD a spa birthday party on Sunday afternoon. Is there anything I can do to improve my smell factor? Regular showering and deodorant (crystal) and teeth brushing, etc. are only effective VERY short-term.


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I'd stick with the clay and not miss more doses!  other than that chlorophyll is a great deodorizer when taken internally.  Some can't tolerate it, but for those who can it's wonderful.

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I'm taking a rounded teaspoonful with each meal now.  I'm not sure how much I'm going to stop with.  Are you supposed to find your bowel tolerance?  I'm scared to start probiotics because they always make my baby scream, so I'm going really slowly.  I haven't noticed any benefits yet, but I've been really stressed and also have a cold, so maybe I'd be worse off than I am.  ;)

 

I'm having a lot of trouble getting my clay to mix into my water.  Is this dependent on they type of clay?  I'm not sure what I have, just some bulk bentonite from the health food store.  I have some sodium bentonite that I purchased from Even Better Now to use as a detoxifying bath for DS1 that I'm going to switch to when this jar is gone.  It mixes into water better, so maybe that will sole my problem.  
 

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I inadvertently missed 3 doses of the clay in a row due to a crazy schedule (evening on 23rd and am & pm on 24th). I stink!!!! I mean really smelly. grossedout.gif

 

Does this mean the clay is working? Toxins presumably don't smell like roses, eh? winky.gif

 

I'm throwing my DD a spa birthday party on Sunday afternoon. Is there anything I can do to improve my smell factor? Regular showering and deodorant (crystal) and teeth brushing, etc. are only effective VERY short-term.

I've always found washing with baking soda to be very effective for this.  If you want a little extra protection, you can pat on a really small amount on top of your deodorant too.
 

 


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Thanks, PB. I just drank my juice concoction with 1.5 teaspoons of hydrated clay (and powdered vitamin C). Shall I continue to increase the clay? The last dose I took was about 1.5 teaspoons, so I went with that for this morning. The plan is to take another 1.5 teaspoons tonight, which would finally get me to the lowest recommended dose of 1 tablespoon daily (printed on the label).

 

I just realized that the recommendation on the bottle is to take the clay on an empty stomach. I haven't been doing this. I tend to have a hard enough time remembering to take any supplements at all, so my best bet is leaving them out on the kitchen table and taking them before/after meals.

 

Why does clay need to be taken between meals? Does it really matter? If so, can I add it to my water with my flower essence and cell salts?


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Why does clay need to be taken between meals? Does it really matter? If so, can I add it to my water with my flower essence and cell salts?


that's one way to take it.  It doesn't have to be done that way.  The important thing is to take it away from required medications/herbs etc.

 

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Thanks, lastrid. What are the mechanics of washing with baking soda? Literally rub it on your damp skin? My skin is sensitive, so I am a bit hesitant. I've used baking soda to clean my hands from messy art projects and/or home improvement/repair projects and they get red and irritated. Might not be just the baking soda, however. LOL Could be the "stuff" that required the baking soda in the first place...

 

Would epsom salt baths help, along with consistent clay dosing?


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that's one way to take it.  It doesn't have to be done that way.  The important thing is to take it away from required medications/herbs etc.

 



Oh crap! Does that mean I am neutralizing all the supplements I've been taking???

 

I don't need any medications of any kind. Nothing is "required", in other words, but I have been taking quite a few lately for a variety of reasons...


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I just dampen some and rub it onto moistened skin.  I have sensitive skin too and don't have any problems with this.  I can't pat on the extra baking soda every day though.  That will get me irritated.  I just do that when I have a feeling I'm going to need it.  I'm hoping that this clay detox and then the high dose probiotics will finally fix my stinky problem.

 

I forgot to ask about the timing too.  How far away from medicines and supplements should we be taking the clay?  I've been taking my stuff right when I get up in the morning and then taking the clay with meals, about 45-60 minutes later.  Is this enough of a distance?


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they say 2-3 hours apart from life saving medication.  I'd probably do the same  for supplements if you are worried.

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That's interesting, lastrid. You mention hoping this will FIX your stinky problem. I never had a stinky problem until a few days ago. I am very curious about the mechanics of all this....

 

Did I start the stinky problem by beginning the clay detox or did I start the stinky problem by skipping 3 doses of clay? Either way, why???


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Well, I imagine that your body is detoxing stuff which is why you're stinky.  Whether that's from stuff the clay pulled out or whether the clay has helped your body start detoxing naturally, I don't know.  I always figured my stink problem was because the detox pathway through my skin was not as clogged as the others (also why I had acne trouble and occasional eczema?).  I hope that if I get the backlog worked through and get my system functioning properly again I won't smell more than the average person.  Sheepish.gif


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That's interesting, lastrid. You mention hoping this will FIX your stinky problem. I never had a stinky problem until a few days ago. I am very curious about the mechanics of all this....

 

Did I start the stinky problem by beginning the clay detox or did I start the stinky problem by skipping 3 doses of clay? Either way, why???



I think you started it by using the clay (mobilizing things) and possibly made it worse by missing a few days.  Most natural practitioners will tell you that body odor is in many ways a result of the body chemistry/bacteria which is reflective of nutrition.  The more you detox the more you will smell, but you can buffer that in a few ways.  Once you've dumped a bunch of toxins things should change!

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That opens more questions! Sheepish.gif

 

First, how can I buffer the detox? Specifically the headaches...I really have a hard time with headaches. The other stuff I can handle for the most part.

 

Next, nutrition... Is it cumulative nutrition or more immediate? I was raised on the standard American diet of the 70s and 80s (not great, but not as bad as SAD today). As a young adult, my nutrition/diet was worse than ever. It was later when I started eating healthier and healthier (gradually). We eat much healthier than SAD now, but we're not on a specific diet like all the ones I see here on MDC (GAPS, Candida, primal, traditional, etc). Most of our produce is local, organic from our CSA or our backyard (and we eat a mix of raw and cooked). We cook most of our meals from basic ingredients, but not everything is organic. We eat some packaged foods, but fast food is extremely rare (a couple times in last five years).

 

It all seems so relative. Compared to MDC families, we eat on the less healthy side. Compared to local friends, we eat slightly better (and we live in a health-conscious area). Compared to relatives, we eat WAY better. Then, there is the source of "what is healthy?" A whole 'nother topic!

 

Last, since I am not taking any life-saving meds/supps, does it matter when I take the clay? Aim for between meals, but don't worry about it otherwise??? How much clay will help things progress without causing too much distress? I need to get through another few days of commitments, and then I have a month where I can go full-on.


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of course it can happen with digestive enzymes too, but be aware that when you have taken too much clay one of the things you can see is loose stool.
 

 



Thanks for reminding me... It is so hard to figure what is what sometimes.  Ds has been slowly increasing his dose of clay to what it current is at 1t 2x per day.  I gave up on 3x per day because it was just too hard to manage with work, other kids, hubby, house etc...  He had the above referenced huge liquid poop on Monday and then he had a very soft and large poop on Thursday (so not as liquid but still very soft).  This is major improvement as he had been going 1x per week again and only with a liquid suppository at that.  He has also been VERY gassy this week.  His sleep has essentially returned to normal.  (We recently night weaned and he had regressed during the die off before the clay started and is now back to sleeping all night until about 5am).  He does have a strange diaper rash....small bumps all over the diaper area and very itchy.  What's that all about?  I think it must be that something in the poop is causing his skin to be irritated.  He has never had this before.  It seems better today, though.  I have been mixing his clay with oj.  Is this ok?  This kid takes fCLO so could easily drink down the clay undiluted if need be.  I was just wanting to make it as easy as possible.   As for me... I am now up to 1T 2x per day, which is the recommended dose on the bottle.  I am having more regular bms and less gas than I usually have.  I hope I am not just imagining this, but I feel like my head is begining to clear too.  Hard to describe, but a general feeling of clarity and lightness.  I knew this would be a step in the right direction for us and feel like it can only get better from here.  Thanks so much for the nudge in this direction from all of you.  I enjoy reading how you all are doing also

 

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after our bizarre bout of gastric weirdness, VSL#3 seems (1 capsule per day) seems to have stabilized dh.  when i added in a dose of liver support tincture (local product, dandelion root extract, burdock? yellow dock?), and the VSL#3, i seemed to have regained lost ground from that weirdness.

 

my clay has finally arrived, so i think our plan is to finish off the VSL#3 and then move into a clay experiment.  though, i feel drawn to the liver support.  thinking that punched out eyes with dark circles just are not a good sign :)


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Just got back from the chiro and she gave me a list of probiotic strains that DS tested strong to.  I am so excited to try them.  I spoke to Harry at Custom Probiotics and he has them all and will ship next week.  DS also tested weakened by fungus so this doesn't suprise me given the itchy diaper rash.  He was very much strengthend by the clay.  In fact, it was so funny because after she tested him on the 1t of clay he kept asking to drink it.  I put him off until all the testing was done but he did not stop asking for it!  He drank it right down undiluted and said it was yummy!  So cool to see kids just go with their intuition.   So he got an extra dose of clay today.  She tested for some nutrients (b12, folinic, mag and zinc) so we will be diligent with these again.  She also suggested an anitfungal that I am going to start with him.  I feel much more confident about killing off fungus now that he is taking the clay. 

 

When the probiotics come I will need some guidance on dosages, ladies!   I am going to take him back to chiro to be tested but like she said... what he can physiologically handle and what he and I can handle as far as die off may be two different things. 

 

She fully supports the theory that we need to get detoxing well first with the clay and then massively increase probiotics (gradually).  She also agrees it takes way more probiotics than what we currently are taking to recolonize on any even semi permanent basis. 

 

So glad to have been curious about the thoughts that you have been working on, PB!

 

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That's an awesome progress report!!! thumb.gif


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Alison (why is my cursor doing strange things?  I was responding after the other bit... argh.. but it doesn't matter), I think I have less body odor now than a few years ago, I know my nutrition's better and I've gotten at least a sizeable chunk of my toxic load out, my body's functioning better in several ways.  So yeah, I think that's a reasonable expectation.

 

 

sunnysandiegan, it seems like I stink when more stuff is mobilized than I've really got capacity to get rid of right now.  It seems like the clay could shift how your body wants to work, it's letting more stuff be mobilized because you've got more bandwidth to get rid of it, and that was its new pattern, then when you stopped, the new pattern didn't stop right away.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Thanks! :)

 

I took two doses yesterday (2 teaspoons each) and two doses today (a scant tablespoon each) and no more stinkiness!!!!!!! Yippeeeee!!!!!

 

We're throwing a spa party tomorrow, so this was very important to me right now.

 

I am getting mild-to-moderate headaches, though. Still wondering what I can do for those...

 

Tomorrow, my plan is to take two doses of 2 full tablespoons each. Every day I increase a little bit. With hydrated clay, at what point should I aim for three times a day versus two? Is that important or helpful or personal preference? How will I know I have taken too much? Loose, watery stools? Any other symptoms?


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That is great news Jenn!!
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sunnysandiegan, it seems like I stink when more stuff is mobilized than I've really got capacity to get rid of right now.  It seems like the clay could shift how your body wants to work, it's letting more stuff be mobilized because you've got more bandwidth to get rid of it, and that was its new pattern, then when you stopped, the new pattern didn't stop right away.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


yup, that's what I was attempting to say in the midst of my sleep deprived fog!

 

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DS just had a fantastic beautiful consistency poop!  All by himself (did not have mag yet today and no suppository needed)!!!!  This is so great for us!  Anybody have any suggestions to help with the diaper rash?  He is itching like mad.  He has tiny slightly raised bumps all over his diaper area.  They are slightly pink and feel rough.  He is scratching until he bleeds.  He is waking at night scratching.  This all started with the clay.   The itching is worse just after he has a bm and the poop has contacted his skin (he is not potty trained yet).  I change him immediately and am about to give him a bath.  Coconut oil seems to help calm the itching somewhat.  I am going to give him a bath with coconut oil in the water and then smear him up with coconut oil.  Any other ideas?  I have been assuming that this is a yeasty rash and related to killing of fungus in his gut but maybe I am missing something.  I think I have an old tube of nystatin cream somewhere if that might be indicated I might try it.  thanks for any suggestions

 

jennifer


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