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My daughter has one! Anna had a major skin reaction to a jar of baby food this morning - earth's best peas and brown rice. She's had pea soup before (homemade), so I know she's good with peas... she also had a reaction this past weekend to a jar of gerber organics carrots and brown rice?! I never imagined that she could have a brown rice allergy! This would explain why adding rice cereal to her formula when little made her reflux far worse.

Her formula, Nature's One Organic Soy... has brown rice syrup as the first ingredient. Does this mean that we should find another milk alternative (she won't drink dairy and I'm afraid to push it since something is telling her not to drink it)? I'm not sure if brown rice syrup and brown rice are close enough to contain the allergen. Anyone know?
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WOw! I'm surprised to hear this. As a child I was allergic to MANY foods (like 20!) But rice is one of the foods that almost no one is allergic to. In fact, they've finally made a rice formula for babies allergic to milk and soy who's mothers can't or won't BF. If it had been around when I was a baby I would have been much better off. I would try rice on its own to make sure its not something related to the brand.

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Where do you find this rice formula? What is the brand name? My DD is intolerant of dairy that we know of and maybe soy. She is breastfeeding right now (she is almost a year old), but I would like something nutritious to feed her because I think she is starting to wean herself and she barely eats any food. I don't think plain rice milk at this age is going to cut it!

As far as the allergy to the baby food, read the ingredients and see if it contains butter. I almost bought some organic baby food (I'm pretty sure it was the brown rice and carrots and something else) and then I read the label and it said "organic butter" on it! I was kind of surprised, because I didn't think they would put butter in baby food.

Oh, and my DD was a refluxer too! She outgrew it at 9 months (she'll be a year old next week), but boy was that a ride. And if I eat any dairy even now, she gets really bad hiccups for a couple of days and will actually spit up, which she never does normally. I was hoping she would out-grow her dairy intolerance, but I'm starting to think she won't. Maybe it's too soon to tell.

Good luck with everything!
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I'm not sure if brown rice syrup and brown rice are close enough to contain the allergen.
Brown rice syrup is basically the same thing as brown rice except the starches have been converted into sugars and the bran filtered out. So if it is a sensitivity to the proteins, then all that would still be in there. The quickest way to find out since it is a skin reaction is to put a little brown rice syrup on her skin directly (like an allergic patch test) to see if any thing happens.

Other milk alternatives: nut milks, you can do this really quickly by putting a bit of nut butter into a jar and shaking it up with water to your desired consistency. Or if you have a local clean source of raw goat or cow milk, maybe that would taste better to your dd?

And yes, I have heard of brown rice allergies before. It is pretty rare but it does occur.
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My DS just had a reaction to both pea and brown rice and green bean and brown rice baby foods. Now I'm trying to figure out if it was the peas and beans or the rice....
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rice is not that uncommon an allergy. It is one of the most common allergens in Asia.

You didn't say how old your daughter is, but I went to your website and now I'm completey confused! Is it not updated? Do you have 3 kids now? Your daughter looks about 3 years old, is that right? Can't be if you're feeding her formula and baby food! (Unless she has feeding issues, I guess, or was tasting her baby brother's food?)

If she is the 3 year old, you don't need a dairy substitute. People do NOT need dairy or dairy alternatives once they are past 2 years or so of age.

If you want something for on cereal, try regular soy milk, oat milk, etc.

If she is an infant under 2 then all this changes, but please clarify! I'm confused!
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If she only had peas once before she could be reacting to the peas (doesnt usually happen at the first exposure)

I have heard of rice allergies but they arent common....if it is rice I would switch formula....

hope you figure it out
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Yes, my DS was "allergic" to rice cereal as his first food. And oatmeal too.

Only it wasn't an allergy... it was an intestinal flora imbalance.

Babes cannot produce adequate amylase enzymes in saliva to start breaking down complex carbs (disaccharides) in their mouth until most of their teeth are in... well into their second year. If food is not digested fully, it is very hard on the gut and the intestinal flora in particular. It ferments and feeds the bad bacteria.

This caused a yeast overgrowth. Massive diaper rash from hell. Full body eczema appeared. I still was thinking "allergy" at that point because that is automatically how everyone thinks, and never made the real connection to gut flora until much later.

If I had to do it all over again, grains would be the very absolute last things I introduce. Well into second year.

(Also formula fed or formula supplemented babes' guts are stressed for this reason too. Formula is never fully digested in newborns which is why their poop smells so horrible and BF babes poop smells like yogurt. FF and FSupplemented babes have radically different intestinal flora than EBF babes. FF babes never get a chance to close up the intestinal lining like EBF babes do, it remains leaky. Thus probably increasing chance of the immune system reacting to foreign food molecules that are not supposed to be in the bloodstream. I think this is the cause of many true food allergies.)
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Reflux is (edited to say: most likely) definately an intestinal flora issue. I'm sorry I don't have cites for you, I didn't save in course of so many late nights of research!
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My DD is intolerant of dairy that we know of and maybe soy. She is breastfeeding right now (she is almost a year old), but I would like something nutritious to feed her because I think she is starting to wean herself and she barely eats any food. I don't think plain rice milk at this age is going to cut it!
I highly recommend trying goat's milk. My DS reacts to cow casein very strongly, even in butter. He does goat just fine, and lots of it.

Goat milk casein micelles are significantly smaller than cow. Apparently it's b/c only one of their stomachs work at birth, mimicing our one stomach. Cows have several stomachs and can handle the larger load.

Also yogurt is even easier to digest b/c it predigests the proteins. That is all DS drinks b/c we are trying to shift his gut flora without lactose. I make 24 hr. yogurt that removes all of it. He can handle either pasteurized or raw but definately go for the raw if you can find it near you. Pasteurizing seizes up the proteins so the digestion has to work harder at breaking them down.

Do not use ultra pasteurized milk, it's even worse, less nutrients.

You can also make a homemade formula from goat's milk for extra nutrition:
http://www.westonaprice.org/children/recipes.html
http://www.westonaprice.org/children/formula-faqs.html
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Goat's milk is often fine for people w/ a dairy INTOLERANCE. However, if you or your child has a true allergy to cow's milk, PLEASE don't try goat's! It's not worth the risk! The proteins are so similar that they will often cause the same allergic reaction! (The proteins may be smaller, making them easier to digest, but the outer part, which causes the allergies, are almost identical.)

And I agree that reflux is SOMETIMES or OFTEN (not always) related to gut flora. My ds3 had both thrush and reflux constantly until I figured out his wheat allergy (wheat was the last of his allergens to go from my diet.) Within a week the thrush and reflux were gone w/ no other treatment (well, other than adding acidophilus in greater quantities in addition to my regular mixed probiotics--a homeopath recommended it. But I think getting rid of the wheat was the biggie since he will still get thrush and reflux when he has wheat.)

But my mom has reflux b/c of a hiatal hernia and my nephew has reflux b/c of an immature valve.
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Goat's milk is often fine for people w/ a dairy INTOLERANCE. However, if you or your child has a true allergy to cow's milk, PLEASE don't try goat's! It's not worth the risk! The proteins are so similar that they will often cause the same allergic reaction! (The proteins may be smaller, making them easier to digest, but the outer part, which causes the allergies, are almost identical.)
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I encouraged a friend of mine to try goat's instead of cow's milk for her son, and thet did not go over well. Whether his allergy is IgE or IgG mediated we are not sure, but he definitely expresses the same reaction to both.
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My chiropractor did muscle testing to identify my food sensitivities and I was sensitive to brown rice but not white rice. I danced a jig because I could still have sushi.

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Going out on a limb here because I'm not sure about the jar food but I do know that Earth's Best cookies, crackers, etc are made on equipment that processes nuts. You may want to call the company and see if that is the case for the jar food. (We avoided all because of the dry goods with my son's pn and possible nut allergy). If your child hasn't reacted to any of the Earth's Best foods before, don't discount it. Cross contamination may not be the case will all of their products and nut allergies can become progressively worse with more exposure.

You could always do a food challenge in a week or so with a brown rice cereal to test to see if it is the rice. Healthy Times makes a brown rice cereal that is just that - brown rice, no additives. That might give you a better idea.

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and DS2 (3) - allergic to all legumes, egg, soy, peanuts and tree nuts
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You didn't say how old your daughter is, but I went to your website and now I'm completey confused! Is it not updated? Do you have 3 kids now? Your daughter looks about 3 years old, is that right? Can't be if you're feeding her formula and baby food! (Unless she has feeding issues, I guess, or was tasting her baby brother's food?)
If you look at the original post, it is from 2004!!!! someone responded to it recently, but it was oriinally posted probably when the little girl was a baby!!!!!
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If you look at the original post, it is from 2004!!!! someone responded to it recently, but it was oriinally posted probably when the little girl was a baby!!!!!
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My chiropractor did muscle testing to identify my food sensitivities and I was sensitive to brown rice but not white rice. I danced a jig because I could still have sushi.
Sounds like a friend of mine! "Save the sushi!!!!!!"
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Goat's milk is often fine for people w/ a dairy INTOLERANCE. However, if you or your child has a true allergy to cow's milk, PLEASE don't try goat's! It's not worth the risk! The proteins are so similar that they will often cause the same allergic reaction! (The proteins may be smaller, making them easier to digest, but the outer part, which causes the allergies, are almost identical.)
I'm curious ... do you think my DS's reaction is not IgE to cow dairy?

Within a day, large scaly patches and welts appear on his torso. Since this is an atopic reaction... and I thought atopy is IgE mediated... wouldn't that mean he is "allergic"?

Now I've never had him tested b/c:
1) conventional medicine has no treatment for allergies.
2) because tests on young kids are so unreliable, the gold standard as explained to me by an allergist is elimination diet and we've done that very carefully.
3) he's never been stuck with a needle ever. So given the first two reasons, I didn't see the need in the past. We just avoid cow dairy and rely on goat.

Now that he's turned 3 maybe I will do a RAST.

He's also on digestive enzymes, don't know if that makes a significant difference or not with the goat but it certainly doesn't with cow dairy.
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I'm curious ... do you think my DS's reaction is not IgE to cow dairy?

Within a day, large scaly patches and welts appear on his torso. Since this is an atopic reaction... and I thought atopy is IgE mediated... wouldn't that mean he is "allergic"?
It could very well be. But goat's milk is very similar to cow's milk and something like 80 percent of the kids allergic to cow milk are also reactant to goat. I did not knwo this until last month (see my post above) when my friend was doing her own research for her ds. He was in the unlucky 80 percent.
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I'm curious ... do you think my DS's reaction is not IgE to cow dairy?

Within a day, large scaly patches and welts appear on his torso. Since this is an atopic reaction... and I thought atopy is IgE mediated... wouldn't that mean he is "allergic"?

Now I've never had him tested b/c:
1) conventional medicine has no treatment for allergies.
2) because tests on young kids are so unreliable, the gold standard as explained to me by an allergist is elimination diet and we've done that very carefully.
3) he's never been stuck with a needle ever. So given the first two reasons, I didn't see the need in the past. We just avoid cow dairy and rely on goat.

Now that he's turned 3 maybe I will do a RAST.

He's also on digestive enzymes, don't know if that makes a significant difference or not with the goat but it certainly doesn't with cow dairy.
Sounds like it could be IgE, but since it is delayed, it could be IgG. IgG reactions can also cause eczema, afaik, which is what that sounds like to me. Typical IgE reactions happen within the first 15 minutes, some as late as 12-24 hours, but anything after that is usually IgG. Since nothing else happens and the welts are on his belly, not his face, I would think it's IgG.

And it sounds like he is one of the lucky ones that can handle goat's milk. I didn't say it wasn't possible, I just said it isn't worth the risk since 90% (I'm pretty sure I read it was 85 or 90%, Wolfmeis?) are allergic to both. I'm fine with sheep milk products. But if I'd known how low the chances were of it being ok, I probably wouldn't have tried it. And I haven't really had any in a while b/c all I can find is pasteurized yogurt. It tastes kinda nasty. When I did dairy, I made my own yogurt. Fresh yogurt tastes so much better than those little individually sealed servings.
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Maybe. I've never given him straight goat milk either, always yogurt which predigests the proteins. Or butter, which has very little casein.
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Going to wholly defer to you on that one, Wendy. We don't deal with milk allergy rx here. This was my close friend, but it was her research I was citing. You guys live it.

My son, incidentally, tested positive on the 3 yo RAST to milk but does not react, even with eczema.
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I was totally laughing about no one noticing the 2004 date on the OP!
My daughter has a rice allergy (among a gazillion other things) and it's hard to get people to take it seriously. I don't know how many times I've heard "Oh, there must be a mistake, NO ONE is allergic to rice!" Yeah, right. People can be allergic to ANYTHING and I'm tired of trying to explain that. Funny that they don't have a problem with the good ways in which my daughter deviates from "normal"!
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I'm the OP and yes, that post was from a loooonnng time ago... My daugher is 3.5yo now and my son is 17months. She defintiely had a reaction to something and we ended up avoiding peas and brown rice for a long time just to be safe. She does fine now with both (as far as I can tell). She's still a refluxer and it seems that dairy is a big trigger for her (as it is for my husband), so we keep that low, but we don't remove it from her diet. She still does cheeses and things like that. We drink soymilk and she only does non-dairy ice cream since that's a big helping of trouble otherwise (gotta love those tofutti cuties!). She's still medicated for the reflux. We went off the meds for a few months and landed ourselves back at the docs with chronic "my tummy hurts" about 20 times a day (no kidding)... so, back to the zantac after an upper GI and within a day she didn't complain once about her tummy (whew). That's our update... soooo funny to see this post brought back to life.
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I just wanted to add my daughter is allergic to rice. We live in Japan. People think it is amazing, but more in the oh my gosh that must be so hard way.
BTW the word for *meal* and *rice* are the same. So, some people are lit. unable to imagine what she eats. My husband or I will explain that she can have wheat and other grains so she can eat bread or noodles. LOL. I just ordered a case of Newman`s own organic pretzles (special place that does mail order for U.S. food) and we got the sticks this time instead of the rounds... thinking the difference was just the shape. Well the sticks have brown rice syrup in them. But, she ate quite a few before I noticed and I have not seen any reaction. Maybe she is outgrowing the allergy, fingers crossed as we get free organic brown rice from DHs family and being able to eat it would really help our food budget.
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My son, incidentally, tested positive on the 3 yo RAST to milk but does not react, even with eczema.
do you still give him milk?
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bumping and suggesting it is a digestive issue for my dd as well. She has had organic peas before, both earth best and Gerber brands with no problems. Today I gave her the earths best organics brown rice and peas combo, she had them about 4:30 or 5 pm. We went to the in-laws for dinner, after eating (us not he) she nursed for a long time on the sofa. About 15 minutes later she did a very convincing exorcist impression. :Puke Green projectile puke and more than you could imagine flew all over that living room. Poor baby girl. I had a change of clothes for her, not me though.
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