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BabySmurf's Avatar BabySmurf 10:08 AM 05-09-2012

Quick background is that I had an IgG allergy test come back that I am allergic to brewers yeast and bakers yeast, and I also believe that I have a yeast overgrowth.  I can't really do a "heal and seal" type diet without probiotic, and therefore fermented, foods, and there is mixed info out there about whether or not a yeast allergy is the same thing as, or symptom of yeast overgrowth, and what reactions I would have in terms of trying to heal.

 

I have been having a reaction that is unnerving to me; it used to be something that happened rarely and now it's becoming more and more frequent, and what ever the issue is that I am having, I feel I am passing something into my BM, as my DS appears to be agitated as well.  I am trying to figure out if this is a reaction I am having to the food I am eating, or if this is something that is happening because there is some kind of die off thing going on.  I am starting a food diary because the other side of this is that I'm not even entirely sure what I am doing that is causing this reaction. 

 

Anyway, the reaction, which typically happens when I am laying down in bed at night is this: it starts with my heart pounding and some palpitations, I get dizzy, then I feel like my body is going to jump out of my skin, and I convulse, kind of.  I feel like my skin is crawling.  After a few minutes the symptoms subside, and then my body starts to relax a bit and I can lie down with out feeling zingy.  That's on the more severe side of things, most times it's just the zingy creepy crawlies, but the heart arrhythmias and the convulsion like feelings have been more common as of recent. 

 

This has happened to me two out of the past three nights, and I am really weirded out! The thing that sticks out in my mind that I have done differently is that I have tried raw apple cider vinegar, and my home made sauerkraut. (I did not eat any fermented foods the night I didn't have a reaction).  Which seems to me would be a yeast issue, but it should be the "good stuff", which makes me wonder if I am having a severe die off type reaction? Or is this something totally not related to that?

 

The other thing that I found odd is that it came back that I am super allergic to garlic as well, which also has antibiotic properties, so is my body just reacting to my attempts to clear out my system?

 

What is a typical die off reaction? Are there things that I can take that will prevent some if the toxins from going into my breast milk? I confused and getting a bit worried....

 

*note, I have talked to my doctor about the fact that I have heart palpitations and arrhythmias, but they don't seem to be too worried about it.....(my father and brother both have "benign" heart issues, and that seems to be what we are all falling back on for not worrying about mine)*



AlergkVegtarian's Avatar AlergkVegtarian 10:50 PM 05-10-2012

My opinion:

1. See a different Allergy Specialist for a very rare, but plausible, Vinegar/Alcohol Allergy. (Maybe reversible with a strict Yeast free diet due to cause of allergy maybe was too much yeast overloading the body).  I had a friend who had palpitation symptoms when she ate strawberries. She also exhibited hives. Heart Palpitations I thought needed to be taken seriously.

 

Then, discuss the following with your new specialist. Thanks! winky.gif

 

I am allergic to Alcohol and Vinegar. In my case, it causes infections in me, and my throat to become hoarse. It can also cause Liver damage if your liver is missing the enzymes necessary to convert that alcohol into something useful.

 

2. Only after being on a strict yeast-free diet for a year -  in the doctors office only, would I do a vinegar challenge. And even so, I would only do this if vinegar allergy was not found.

 

3. Garlic Question:

Garlic is considered an "anti-fungal" and good for yeast-free diets. So, I think you have a true allergy. Onions are also an anti-fungal and help prevent overgrowth.

 

 

4. Also, if it were me, I'd eliminate all vinegar, no exceptions: Found in Salad dressing, condiments, Jarred Sauces, Pickled items. Gourmet foods. And when you eat out, make sure that they do not cook things in alcohol. Ketchup and Mustard also contains vinegar. I have to read all labels. Its surprising where vinegar can pop-up.

 

 

FYI:

Yeast free diet excludes: Agave, Alcohol, Corn syrup, Dairy (including cheeses), Fruits and their Juices, Honey, Sugar, Vinegar, Wheat. Complex carbs and Fiber are considered the best.

 

What would I eat if I were you? (Discuss this with an Allergy Specialist)

Organic versions where possible:

Quinoa is high in Protein and is considered very healthy.

Lentils for their fiber.

Vegetables: especially Broccoli and Cauliflower (eat raw if you can)

Other Vegetables: Jicama, Kale, Beets, Bean Sprouts, Tomatoes etc.

Onions, Scallions, Green Onions. (Provided allergy is to Garlic and not Allium family)

Asparagus (In Lily family, which Allium family falls under)

Fish - especially Salmon (2nd best excellent source of B12; Oyster is number 1)

Organic Grass fed Beef and Chicken

Chia Seeds, handful of Walnuts (good for the liver).

 

Bread:

Instead of traditional breads, I would use Nori wraps or slice Baby Summer squash or Zucchini in half, lengthwise, and use like a sub sandwich bread.

 

Organic Pasta, in small amounts, after being Vinegar free for at least a month with no symptoms: Brown Rice, Quinoa. Tinkyada has good Organic Brown Rice pastas. Just Rice and Water.

 

Raw Foods Chips (made from vegetables using food dehydrator). Google for recipes, if interested.

 

Make a tomato sauce using Beets and Carrot pureed together, for variety from the usual Tomato based tomato sauce. Add pureed Kale for a vitamin punch.

 

Perhaps skip Mushrooms, Potatoes, Sweet Potato, and Yams? Some sites say that Whole Wheat and Spelt is fine, others say not fine - but I wouldn't add in Wheat until after your symptoms have gone away. I'd stick with Quinoa for now, because it is high in vitamins and protein.

 

Best wishes! love.gif


BabySmurf's Avatar BabySmurf 07:48 AM 05-11-2012

OMG, thank you SO much for your response!

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Originally Posted by AlergkVegtarian View Post

My opinion:

1. See a different Allergy Specialist for a very rare, but plausible, Vinegar/Alcohol Allergy. (Maybe reversible with a strict Yeast free diet due to cause of allergy maybe was too much yeast overloading the body).  I had a friend who had palpitation symptoms when she ate strawberries. She also exhibited hives. Heart Palpitations I thought needed to be taken seriously.

I thought so too!

 

Then, discuss the following with your new specialist. Thanks! winky.gif

 

I am allergic to Alcohol and Vinegar. In my case, it causes infections in me, and my throat to become hoarse. It can also cause Liver damage if your liver is missing the enzymes necessary to convert that alcohol into something useful.

This is interesting, and does seem totally plausible for me based on how I've been feeling when eating some of the foods you mention later.  I had always thought I was having a leaky gut type reaction since my symptoms seem to wax and wane in no particular (until you mentioned it) pattern.

 

2. Only after being on a strict yeast-free diet for a year -  in the doctors office only, would I do a vinegar challenge. And even so, I would only do this if vinegar allergy was not found.

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3. Garlic Question:

Garlic is considered an "anti-fungal" and good for yeast-free diets. So, I think you have a true allergy. Onions are also an anti-fungal and help prevent overgrowth.

I'll definitely incorporate more onion!! Unless of course I have a reaction to the Alliums....that would be unfortunate!

 

4. Also, if it were me, I'd eliminate all vinegar, no exceptions: Found in Salad dressing, condiments, Jarred Sauces, Pickled items. Gourmet foods. And when you eat out, make sure that they do not cook things in alcohol. Ketchup and Mustard also contains vinegar. I have to read all labels. Its surprising where vinegar can pop-up.

Yeah, I did start looking at ingredients...it is all over the place...just one more reason to make my own foods!

 

FYI:

Yeast free diet excludes: Agave, Alcohol, Corn syrup, Dairy (including cheeses), Fruits and their Juices, Honey, Sugar, Vinegar, Wheat. Complex carbs and Fiber are considered the best.

 

What would I eat if I were you? (Discuss this with an Allergy Specialist)

Organic versions where possible:

Quinoa is high in Protein and is considered very healthy.

Lentils for their fiber.

Vegetables: especially Broccoli and Cauliflower (eat raw if you can)

Other Vegetables: Jicama, Kale, Beets, Bean Sprouts, Tomatoes etc.

Onions, Scallions, Green Onions. (Provided allergy is to Garlic and not Allium family)

Asparagus (In Lily family, which Allium family falls under)

Fish - especially Salmon (2nd best excellent source of B12; Oyster is number 1)

Organic Grass fed Beef and Chicken

Chia Seeds, handful of Walnuts (good for the liver).

 

Bread:

Instead of traditional breads, I would use Nori wraps or slice Baby Summer squash or Zucchini in half, lengthwise, and use like a sub sandwich bread.

Love this idea!

Organic Pasta, in small amounts, after being Vinegar free for at least a month with no symptoms: Brown Rice, Quinoa. Tinkyada has good Organic Brown Rice pastas. Just Rice and Water.

 

Raw Foods Chips (made from vegetables using food dehydrator). Google for recipes, if interested.

 

Make a tomato sauce using Beets and Carrot pureed together, for variety from the usual Tomato based tomato sauce. Add pureed Kale for a vitamin punch.

 

Perhaps skip Mushrooms, Potatoes, Sweet Potato, and Yams? Some sites say that Whole Wheat and Spelt is fine, others say not fine - but I wouldn't add in Wheat until after your symptoms have gone away. I'd stick with Quinoa for now, because it is high in vitamins and protein.

 

Best wishes! love.gif

Again, awesome advice! Thank you so much for all of this info!  It's definitely something I will check out.


SweetSilver's Avatar SweetSilver 08:40 AM 05-11-2012

Some allergic reactions can be similar to panic attacks or an extremely unpleasant adrenaline rush, rather than the more well-known swelling.  That said, I'm not going to say "this is allergies" definitively.  Just sayin' it *can be* a bonafide reaction.  


BabySmurf's Avatar BabySmurf 09:52 AM 05-11-2012
Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetSilver View Post

Some allergic reactions can be similar to panic attacks or an extremely unpleasant adrenaline rush, rather than the more well-known swelling.  That said, I'm not going to say "this is allergies" definitively.  Just sayin' it *can be* a bonafide reaction.  


I know, nothing is straightforward!

I used to have anxiety issues, and those were alleviated when I removed dairy from my diet, so I know allergic reactions can have many different faces.  I just haven't been able to pin point the source of this reaction yet, and I didn't know if it could be a die off type thing (which would be totally possible, since I think I have a lot of fairly toxic stuff in my gut). 

 

I'm just trying to figure out if what I describe is "typical" of a die off or not so that I can try to zero in on the source of the problem...if it's die off, then I really need to be slow about introducing probiotics into my diet (much slower than I could have ever guessed), and if it's an allergic reaction, I need to stop bombarding my system!

 

I know it's kind of an individual thing, so it's hard to say just from a typed conversation...


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