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Hi,

 

My daughter has quite a few allergies (dairy, gluten, corn, egg, nuts) and also not prone to putting on weight even though I try and feed her a decent amount of food every day. So I figured digestive enzymes may be the answer since it seems like she is not absorbing the food she is eating.

 

After a lot of research and help from here we bought her the TriEnza powder http://www.houston-enzymes.com/store/product.php?c=1&p=4

 

Even though the dosage says 1/4 tsp or more.. since she is only 3 yrs old I put about 1/10 of a tsp in her food (rice and lamb soup and vegetables) and it took me 10 mins to have her prepped and all. When I saw the bowl after 10 mins.. most all the rice was gone and it was mostly liquid. Also it tasted sweet. I  was scared out of my wits!!!!

 

So during dinner I gave her a very small amount 1/20 tsp. Yet after dinner she said she was hungry and asked for a allergy-free cupcake and some rice milk.... I also thought (imagined) that she was acting a bit irritable and excited.

 

Now the questions:

 

1. If it is so powerful and liquefies the food so quickly and completely - would it not harm the intestines and gut when given before a meal with water (she takes no beverages)? I feel like it will make holes in her gut lining.. seemed so powerful.

 

2. I don't think my DD's digestion is waaay off. I would like to give her a small scoop (like the Custom Probiotic small scoop) from now on and only once (before lunch). Now the way I read is - I need to give the digestive enzymes before EVERY meal for them to work. But can I get away with a small dose just once a day.... I feel she needs just a little push not a lot.

 

3. About her excitable and irritable behavior - would the enzymes have caused it? How? they should not have anything that is neuro-toxic (like L-Glutamine) should they? Anyone have a similar experience with enzymes?

 

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1. If it is so powerful and liquefies the food so quickly and completely - would it not harm the intestines and gut when given before a meal with water (she takes no beverages)? I feel like it will make holes in her gut lining.. seemed so powerful.

What you saw is it breaking down the food and that's all. Her dosage depends on the amount of food and not her size. Plant based digestive enzymes taken with food will act on the food. Taken without food (which is sometimes intentionally done and recommended) they could be used to treat a yeast overgrowth or similar. I used them that way when my son had a parasite issue. In no case will plant based enzymes eat into her gut lining. If I forget to give enzymes before a meal I give them afterward without hesitation. If too much time has passed I wouldn't because I don't want them to eat his probiotics (theoretically)! I would not worry about his gut nor your daughter's. Enzymes are safe. Also, feel very comfortable contacting Houston's directly with this type of concern. They could probably give you more information than me regarding the safety and they, in my experience, have been wonderful with answering questions. I give enzymes on a spoon with a little applesauce or similar right before a meal...unless I forget and then it's when I remember! You actually don't want to do it with a lot of liquid as that would dilute the enzymes and her natural stomach acids and enzyme activity both.
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2. I don't think my DD's digestion is waaay off. I would like to give her a small scoop (like the Custom Probiotic small scoop) from now on and only once (before lunch). Now the way I read is - I need to give the digestive enzymes before EVERY meal for them to work. But can I get away with a small dose just once a day.... I feel she needs just a little push not a lot.

You would want it with every meal. The enzymes don't last through the day. You would want the dose to work on each set of food she eats. If she eats tons of small meals you might dose every so many hours instead. But otherwise I recommend before each meal! If she needs help she needs it not just at lunch.
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3. About her excitable and irritable behavior - would the enzymes have caused it? How? they should not have anything that is neuro-toxic (like L-Glutamine) should they? Anyone have a similar experience with enzymes?

No. They aren't neurotoxic at all. Any child though could have an adjustment to any supplement or even a toleration issue. Time will tell on this one. It is entirely safe though. My kids tolerate enzymes just fine and have since the start. My son does have a similar reaction with one of his (needed) supplements--coq10--and I have to watch dosing with it. He takes it for a metabolic condition and so he has to have it. I worked with the scientists to figure out when to dose that stuff to avoid it affecting his sleep as much as possible! I have never heard of another child, and there are plenty taking it, having that type of issue with this supplement but one of mine clearly does! So anything is possible. I'd continue dosing and work up to the dose and frequency you'd like. Note changes (positive and negative). Then stop and look for changes (positive and negative) to determine what to do from there. It's possible you're just seeing a variation in her behavior that has nothing to do with the enzymes. it could be something temporary, and good, like die off of nasty stuff that needs killed off. It could be a true tolerance issue. Whatever it is you are not doing her harm and it is not toxic. It's safe to try it a while and re-evaluate!

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Thank you Sbgrace for your elaborate answers.

 

As to the dosage at every meal/snack - If I dose her only - say twice a day -when she has 2 snacks and 3 meals... would you say I am giving her 1) half the benefit 2) No benefit OR 3) actually causing her harm?

 

 

... and yes I will contact Houston guys directly with my concerns (as soon as i get some time to compose an email :)  )

 

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Thank you Sbgrace for your elaborate answers.

As to the dosage at every meal/snack - If I dose her only - say twice a day -when she has 2 snacks and 3 meals... would you say I am giving her 1) half the benefit 2) No benefit OR 3) actually causing her harm?


... and yes I will contact Houston guys directly with my concerns (as soon as i get some time to compose an email smile.gif  )

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I'd say you're giving her half the benefit she's receiving from enzymes. Let's say enzymes are helping child A break down his food resulting in better appetite and weight gain. If you gave them at breakfast and lunch but not dinner and snack I'd expect him to be utilizing the food nutrients (maybe resulting in weight gain in this case) better at breakfast and lunch and the same as he would digest prior to starting enzymes at dinner and snack. I think it would be hard to determine benefit if you did some meals and not others.

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Call Houston.  I don't remember exactly (because it didn't affect my child) but I know they made two separate formulations of their Peptizyde and Zyme Prime because of a sensitivity that some had to either papain or bromain or something of the sort and I believe the reaction was that irritability/excitability.

 

Enzymes used regularly COULD result in more energy, but not what you're describing.

 

Otherwise, sbgrace has pretty well covered it.  They're made to break down the food and they do... thus the liquification.

 

And not to derail, but I've never heard of L-glutamine being neurotoxic...??


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I haven't done an exhaustive search (just now) but this talks about it a bit

 

http://l-glutaminetruth.com/side-effects-lglutamine

 

google side effects of L-Glutamine a bit :)

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