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Is anyone else freaking out about this?  My kids have been gluten-free for over 4 years and they eat a lot of rice products. Rice cereal, rice cakes, rice pasta, rice bread, rice tortillas, rice crackers, rice milk (occasionally).  I am beyond stressed by this and after searching around a bit, I can see that the information has been out there for some time.  I did some calculations based on my kids diets' and there is no doubt that they have been getting more arsenic in a day than even the FDA feels is 'safe'.  And as we all know, the FDA is asleep and their idea of safe is pretty different from mine.

 

We have stopped eating any rice and started lots of detox measures but I am absolutely heartbroken to know that I have been giving my kids food laced with poison every day.  We are going to the doc to talk about metal tests, etc. but I can't help feeling like the damage is done and I am so so sad and scared.  

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I am trying to cut the amount we use but the reality is....it's more than I am happy with. It's the reality we live with. I was considering taking the kids in for testing but I am not sure if I really want to. What are my options? Not feeding them? Removing all rice is unrealistic. I am going to switch to white rice from out of the country and be sure to wash it prior to cooking. As for all the other rice products, isn't much I can do about it.

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We are gluten free too and have other allergies as well. Rice was one of the few safe things we could eat! Now I'm scared to feed it to my family. I am trying to incorporate more grain free ideas and have been using non-GMO corn products and potatoes more instead of rice. I read that the Japanese cook their rice with a lot more water than we do and then drain the rice. It's supposed to remove more arsenic so I plan on trying that too.
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I took my dds to the doctor and he ordered hair tests for them.  Arsenic leaves the blood very quickly, within days, but any amount that the body couldn't excrete is stored in the tissues and organs so hair tests are the only way to gage how much arsenic toxicity they might have.  And since they are so little, it is very likely that they couldn't excrete a lot of it.  He said if they show very elevated levels it is probably a good idea to do some gentle chelation.  We have been grain-free before and if I had to I could do it again.  For now we've switched to corn, quinoa and millet.  I've been researching zeoilite and it looks like a very safe way to remove metals and other toxins without the risk of redepositing metals before they are excreted.  There are scientific studies to back its efficiency and it is universally regarded as completely safe.  I am dosing my kids with lots of it.  He also gave us a metal detox supplement that has citrus pectin, chlorella, NAC, cilantro, fulvic acid, alpha lipoic acid and l-glutathione.  We are also using homeopathic arsenicum album, clay baths, epsom salt baths and transdermal magnesium.  The doctor also said that the best way to promote natural detox is sweating and recommended daily saunas, although I have no idea how I'd get the kids to stay in a sauna for very long.  I'll post the results of the hair tests when I get them back in about two weeks, if I haven't collapsed from stress by then.

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I thought urine testing was the best way to get an idea of daily dietary issues with it?

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No, it is excreted within days.  So if you were exposed today or yesterday a urine test could tell you something, but that's it.

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Wouldn't that give one a fair representation of what/how much they are being effected by it if they are?  Is it al alternative practitioner doing the hair test or a ped?

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Unfortunately, it's probably fair to assume that if they are or have been ingesting arsenic, there are effects happening in the body because if it.  What those are, no one knows for sure at these doses, but it has been noted by the people doing the studies that the levels in rice are not insignificant.  According to everything I read in the recent studies, people who eat rice have an immediate spike in their blood and urine.  After that, anything that the body wasn't able to handle gets stored away in tissues. The recent studies don't go into that part but it is the same with all heavy metals.

 

Our doctor is an holistic MD who has other NDs in his practice.  He is very progressive and has dealt with metal toxicity issues quite a bit.  He told me which lab to order the test from and I did it online.  It is the Direct Labs Hair Elements test.  I have seen other mamas on here using the same test when concerned about metals.  The good news is that ALA removes arsenic very well, even from the brain as it crosses the blood-brain barrier.  I have been reading about Andy Cutler's low-dose, high-frequency protocol for metal chelation and that is probably what I would do if the tests look scary.  The theory behind frequent dosing is to keep the levels of ALA steady (it has a short half-life) so that there is less re-distribution of metals as they are escorted out of the body.  

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I understand your concern, however, I think the risk is low for dietary arsenic exposure through food for children.  Here's a link to an EPA assessment from 2006 that talks about the risks.

http://www.epa.gov/teach/chem_summ/Arsenic_summary.pdf

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I understand your concern, however, I think the risk is low for dietary arsenic exposure through food for children.  Here's a link to an EPA assessment from 2006 that talks about the risks.

http://www.epa.gov/teach/chem_summ/Arsenic_summary.pdf

I'm sorry, but reading your link did nothing but confirm that consuming it IS an issue and if you had read the thread at all, you would see that a recent study shows MAJOR arsenic levels in rice which is the main grain consume for most people who are wheat free.  Seeing as kids are smaller and it takes less to cause harm, the rates quoted in water are surpassed in rice if I am reading correctly and that has me worried.  Big time.

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We eat a lot of the Sunbrown short grain brown rice from Costco. Its imported from Australia and is non-gmo. Apparently if its imported from Australia its not as bad. 

 

http://food.ninemsn.com.au/healthyrecipes/newsandfeatures/8535790/arsenic-in-american-rice-report


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I'm sorry, but reading your link did nothing but confirm that consuming it IS an issue and if you had read the thread at all, you would see that a recent study shows MAJOR arsenic levels in rice which is the main grain consume for most people who are wheat free.  Seeing as kids are smaller and it takes less to cause harm, the rates quoted in water are surpassed in rice if I am reading correctly and that has me worried.  Big time.

I don't think the levels in rice are as high as the levels that damage has been seen to occur with tainted water in the studies this link mentions, but they are way too close for my comfort, and they did make the point that effects in children from daily exposure below the levels in the studies cited aren't really known.  Basically, I don't want to feed my kids anything with arsenic in it.  If they hadn't already had so much known and definite exposure, I wouldn't worry too much about the occasional rice dish made with rice from India or Australia or Thailand, but since I know they've already been exposed to more than I feel safe about, I won't be giving them any more at all.  I feel like this is just the beginning though.  How long will it be before all our food is this poisoned (and worse), considering the masses of tons of chemicals that we keep dumping into the environment each year?  And just wait, before too long there won't be any money left for the FDA or any regulatory agencies at all, simply because all the rich men feel that they deserve to be a bit richer.  There was a column in the NYT a few days ago (Oct 9th) about how the chemical lobby is trying to stop future publications of NIH's "Report on Carcinogens." The chemical industry apparently is upset about the information in the report classifying formaldihyde as a carcinogen contained in ordinary household products.  The poisoners would really rather that we not know the extent of the poisoning.  And they will probably get their way.  

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Update with test results.

 

Both kids have high levels of arsenic.  The reference range says arsenic should be below .06 and they are at .082 and .19.  Both bar graphs are well into the yellow and my youngest, who eats more rice is almost into the red.  The scarier part has been that they are also very high in aluminum and thorium.  Reference for aluminum is below 8.0 and they are at 23 and 28, both well into the red.  I was expecting high levels of arsenic but this was a shock.  We don't use aluminum baking powders cookware or eat/drink from cans or eat processed cheese.  I did just realize that the Weleda toothpaste we've been using forever is in an aluminum tube.  Also, I had my kids in bentonite detox baths before I sent the test samples in and bentonite clay is usually high in aluminum so that may have contaminated the samples, I don't know.  Also, they are sky high in thorium, a mildly radioactive metal.  The reference range for thorium is below .002 and they are at .015 and .017.  I can not for the life of me figure this one out.  Thorium is not a fission product, so not a result of Fukishima radiation or atomic testing.  It is a regular element, exists in the earth like lead, and it is not common to have elevated levels.  We all get some from food and water but the levels should not be this high.  Thorium is encountered in mining for titanium, it used to be used in lantern mantes (the camping kind), refractory materials and as a coating for tungsten in electronic applications.  It makes no sense to me at all, unless the clay baths added this bizarre metal to the hair.  Although I am now beginning to suspect that the land my house in on has some contamination.  It used to be an older building/vacant lot which I did not know when I moved in.  Luckily I rent and we are getting ready to move to a larger house.  

 

So in all, kids are carrying a pretty full load of metals, enough to do some chelation, so we are using a gentle herbal detox called Metal-X-Synergy that consists of sodium, potassium, modified citrus pectin, chlorella, alginate, N-Acetyl-Cysteine, cilantro, garlic, fulvic acid, alpha lipoic acid (ALA) and L-glutathione.  I am dosing every four hours to help prevent re-uptake of metals.  I am using the same protocol myself as I believe that some of their metals may have come from me, and presuming that if they are metal-toxic, I probably am as well.  When we move I'm going to invest in a sauna, which is probably the best way to make sure we are detoxing daily.  I'll be getting tested as well to see if that adds another piece to the puzzle.  I'll re-test the kids in a few months to see what has changed.  This whole experience has been extremely stressful, although I am glad I know so that I can start helping their bodies get the metals out.  

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Joybird: What ever happened with all of this?  How di d your own tests turn out?  I'm considering hair tests for my children and curious about other's experiences.  Looks like some time has gone by and I'm also wondering if your efforts in chelation worked?

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