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Hi, 

My DD is now 2 years & 5 months and she has been vomiting at night since she was about 9 months old.  I have mentioned it at nearly every well check and on sick visits and they usually blame it on reflux or whatever virus/cold she may have at the time. She only vomits at night about an hour after putting her down. Sometimes she does it 3-4 times a week then 2 weeks straight she is ok. She even made it nearly a month once without vomiting but then it started right back up again. 

 

We have tried not feeding her too close to bedtime and not giving her milk before bed but that did not make a difference. 

This week she has been sick so it has been EVERY night for 5 nights. 

 

Seems like possible reflux but I thought she would have outgrown it by now and I am a bit concerned I may be overlooking something else. 

 

Thanks for any input.

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Similar situation, though not as extreme.  I did take my dd to an allergist because her sister has severe allergies, I have bazillions of less severe allergies, and dd had bad reactions to dog dander.  Taken all together, plus the vomiting, I did get an appointment with our ped. allergist.  It confirmed the dog allergies, but everything else was clear (skin prick test.)  

 

So we tried several elimination diets for tolerances of certain foods I suspected.  Chicken, rice, soy, wheat.  Dairy was all but entirely out of her diet because of dd1's dairy allergy.  We noticed nothing--no improvement, no worse reactions when we put the food back in her diet.  Nothing conclusive.  I did notice that if she ate a good dinner, she was more likely to upchuck--right when your dd does. 

 

We never did figure out what the deal was, but the problem resolved itself.  Somewhat telling is that she almost always has a day of intermittent vomiting with nearly every cold or fever she gets.  Her ears get clogged, she gets dizzy, her throat gets dry.  The girl has a very tender tummy.  

 

All this adds up to--well, just about nothing.  So sorry.  I just though I'd throw in my experience, though my daughter's seems less intense and persistent as yours.


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If she's reacting to something she's eating, you can check by having her smell individual foods. If she feels slightly unwell from smelling it, then you've found the problem food.

If she's having reflux issues, then giving her time to digest prior to laying down.
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Thanks for the advice. We have tried not giving her anything to eat or drink for an hour before bed but she would still throw up. She doesn't seem bothered by any foods except for the night vomiting.  I am not sure if she would accurately be able to tell or show us from smell - have you tried this on a young child? Just curious. I will try though of course since she did it again last night!

 

We haven't had any allergies until now at 37 I became gluten intolerant or sensitive according to my blood work and constant headaches which have disappeared after eliminating gluten. But until this age my husband and I have had none.  

 

Maybe it is time to go back to the doctor for testing? 

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I'm dairy allergic /intolerant, and have been since I was very young, maybe always. It has gradually gotten worse during my life. When I was 4-6, I would go to weddings (there was at least one each year), and watch the buffet being set up. When a lid was lifted and the first smell came to me, I could tell if it would make me sick because I would feel nauseous. It was important that I wasn't surrounded by mingling smells of all the foods. That would make it impossible to get a clear response. That might be difficult to duplicate at home. However, she could be asked to smell ingredients, like milk, mustard, soy oil, etc.

This must be awful for everyone! Keeping a food/vomit diary may help you pinpoint the problem. Common allergens include corn, which is hidden in so many places. Does she seem upset after vomiting, or relieved?
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She just throws up and then goes straight back to sleep. Last night as I was taking her out of bed to get her to the bathroom she said "I don't want to, I don't want to"  I felt so sad for her. I am not sure if she meant she didn't want to throw up or get out of bed. 

 

The odd thing is that she can drink milk and eat right before her daytime nap with no problem. She can sleep 2-3 hours fine. At night it is one to two hours later. 

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I'll keep thinking about this. I'm going to be unavailable for the rest of the afternoon, but will post tonight if I think of anything.

One more possibilty. Is it perhaps soy, or maybe corn or another high gmo, pesticide food?
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Thanks for giving it so much thought.  I guess it could be the high gmo/pesticide but I do try to buy as much organic as possible. This week she has been sick and barely eaten anything except for liquids - organic milk, juice, some yogurts, chocolate almond milk and just a handful of other very small snacks with the same result.  

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Almonds, do you think?

I remember the years I spent vomiting, and they weren't pleasant! I'd like to help put an end to it for both of you. So! No more guessing without a food diary. Write what she eats, and when, along with when she throws up. Hopefully, with that info, we can figure this out.
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Hi CleoS,

 

Sorry to hear : (    

 

Have you tried probiotics?  My son used to throw up constantly from acid reflux and it was worse at night when he would lay down.  We gave him cultured veggies (probiotics we made that were like sauerkraut) and he never threw up again. 

 

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Probiotics may be worth a try. I'd think it would affect naps as well, but who knows. Let us know what happens, please.
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Hmm, don't have much time right now but I want to come back to this, DS had similar issues (though seems to have finally outgrown them?) I do think when he stopped eating gluten, it made a difference, and changing our nursing patterns...

Also, have you tried elevating the head of her bed so she's not lying flat? How about chiropractic work to straighten out any kinks?

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Hi all - Yes, she is drinking Lifeway Probotics and Stoneybrook Probiotics but not any tablets. Her head has been elevated lately. She only gets almond milk occasionally.  

 

I never considered a chiropractor. I may call the doctor today since she threw up again last night - I think this is the 7th night straight.  

 

Gluten would be something to try. I really hope to find a solution soon since it is getting worse and more frequent not better.

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I would consider an elimination diet, especially eliminating gluten, dairy, soy, & corn.

Something else I want to throw out, I have no idea if this really fits her symptoms, but there is an inflammatory condition called eosinophilic esophagitis that can cause excessive reflux/vomitting/food sensitivities.

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Probiotics in yogurt often are not effective enough for acid reflux, especially since milk is mucus forming.  We used Body Ecology...

 

We also eliminated wheat which made a HUGE impact and went to a chiropractor in the beginning.

 

Hang in there, I know it can be heartbreaking and overwhelming, but I guarantee you will find the answers, especially since you are open to exploring other things!    The whole journey for us was such a learning experience that it propelled me to become a health coach and I am very grateful because of it.    

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Brands can be very different. It may be worth it to try different probiotics. Can she eat dinner earlier?
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Last night was vomit-free! Yay! I have cut way down on her dairy consumption. She just seems to crave it and all she wanted when she was sick was milk and yogurt. I'll start just by cutting way back on dairy and an earlier dinner to see if it makes a difference now. When she was younger it didn't but it may now. We'll see. 

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Last night was vomit-free! Yay! I have cut way down on her dairy consumption. She just seems to crave it and all she wanted when she was sick was milk and yogurt. I'll start just by cutting way back on dairy and an earlier dinner to see if it makes a difference now. When she was younger it didn't but it may now. We'll see. 

Was she nursing (or taking formula) when she was younger? That could explain why eliminating dairy didn't make a difference before, if she was already getting it every day anyway through your milk or formula. I also notice that for many, the things you crave most are the things your body reacts to most. It's something to do with opioid production & allergies (I don't remember the specifics). DS & I craved wheat like crazy and neither of us can eat it. Once we eliminated it completely, the cravings subsided after a week or two.

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She was breast fed until about 8-9 months then it was formula until she was 1 when I switched to whole milk.  She really does crave dairy - she will ask for yogurt right after milk then cheese sticks then ice cream. It is all she really begs for.

 

I wish I didn't crave gluten. My blood work came back 1:10 which is the highest it can be for intolerance/allergy. That is what my doc said anyway so I eliminated it 3 months ago, but still really crave it. 

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Ahhh I wonder... you said the vomiting started right around 9mos? And that is also when you switched her to formula? Dairy might really be the culprit. I'd try to totally eliminate it (not just cut back) for at least a couple of weeks and then introduce it again for a couple days and see if it coincides with the vomiting.

And I hear you on the gluten. I've been off it for at least 2 years and still sometimes crave it... but the intensity/urgency of the cravings did subside quickly. But one day last month I was about to start eating gluten again because I really wanted to... and incidentally, that was the same week my doc told me my test showed gluten sensitivity, so now that it's confirmed I guess I don't get to go back to eating it. greensad.gif

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I will try eliminating dairy. It will be hard though because she really does love her wake-up milk. Worth a try. So far, so good tonight. She didn't have any dairy since around 1pm which is a change for her.

 

As for your gluten sensitivity, did you do a blood test and did your doctor recommend going to a specialist to rule out Celiac? Mine did, but I am too much of a wimp for an endoscope since the end result would be eliminating gluten anyway. It would be nice to know for sure though. At least my constant headaches are gone.

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I will try eliminating dairy. It will be hard though because she really does love her wake-up milk. Worth a try. So far, so good tonight. She didn't have any dairy since around 1pm which is a change for her.
Can you try subbing almond or hemp or coconut milk for her wake-up milk? She might not even sense a difference. (Try to avoid soymilk because it can cause similar symptoms in those sensitive to dairy).
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As for your gluten sensitivity, did you do a blood test and did your doctor recommend going to a specialist to rule out Celiac? Mine did, but I am too much of a wimp for an endoscope since the end result would be eliminating gluten anyway. It would be nice to know for sure though. At least my constant headaches are gone.
Mine was a saliva test. I would kind of like the Celiac test just to know (and to motivate me to stay away from even trace amounts) but like you said, either way, no gluten. I know you have to be eating gluten currently for the endoscopy to be accurate anyway, and I'm not willing to go back to eating gluten & feel like crap for several months just for the sake of a test.

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