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for adrenal fatigue, are you not a broad spectrum B, magnesium and calcium as well?
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I was going to ask K to list results too, but didn't know if that was a little too private. again, the ranges don't matter much, the patterns do.
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for adrenal fatigue, are you not a broad spectrum B, magnesium and calcium as well?
Sigh. No. On hand I have a liquid vit b from pharmax & natural calm for mag. Would those do? What "kind" of calcium do you recommend.

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Well what I have had people do is the Natural Vitality's Cal/Mag in the am and NaturalCalm at night. You do need both with adrenal fatigue. They do compete, especially with a deficiency so I would go to great pains to do them separately.

A good way to tell if you need the calcium is if you reach bowel tolerance at the 3 tsp of NaturalCalm. If you take it at night and have loose stools in the morning it means you aren't getting quite enough calcium. If on the other hand you can take 4 tsp NaturalCalm with no disruption in bowel function then you *may* be okay with calcium.
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I'm going to jump in here as well. I suspect I may have a yeast issue (took birth control pills for 15+ years, had antibiotics numerous times for bronchitis, took steroids numerous times for asthma, took advair for asthma for years, had a c-section with antibiotics, etc) and would like some advice on treatment.

DD is 5 months old and EBF so I need to make sure whatever I do will not harm her, and will not adversely affect my milk supply. I am still on a TED and up until this weekend was taking no supplements. DD has GI issues (very gassy, green mucousy stinky poop, sometimes with blood) and mild exzema and I just can't get her fully to baseline.

So here is what I am now doing as of this past weekend:

- Eliminated all sugar and fruit from my diet (I am using some stevia)
- Taking Candidase (2 pills 3x a day, 2 hours after meals)
- Taking Kirkman Labs pro-bio defense probiotics (2 pills a day, with breakfast/dinner) (I am switching to pro-bio gold because I realized the pro-bio defense is not labeled hypoallergenic but haven't received my order yet)
- Drinking 1 cup bone broth a day (plus using it to make quinoa)

Here is what I am planning to do going forward:
- Make kombucha and water kefir (my order should arrive in the next few days)

Questions:

- Is there anything I am doing wrong so far?
- How much kombucha/water kefir should i drink daily?
- I am thinking after reading this thread that I need to add nystatin, pau d'arco, threelac, or something like that. I would like to avoid nystatin because I don't think DD's pediatrician will prescribe it (she wants us to just use homeopathy - we have been doing that for a few months and will keep doing it but I think we need to do something else too).
- Should I give probiotics (or anything else) to DD?
- The Candidase bottle says for best results to take Virastop each time Candidase is taken. Would this be helpful?
- I have been taking the Candidase for almost 2 days and so far only feel thirsty at night and have had a mild headache on and off. Sounds like others had much more extreme reactions. Does this mean I may not have a yeast problem?

Thanks so much for your help! This thread has been really eye opening.
I'm reposting this in hopes I get some responses, but also wanted to make a few additions. My headaches have gotten worse and last night was my first "girls night out" since DD was born and I had some wine. I woke up this morning with a racing heartrate and I can't go back to sleep. I thought the wine if anything would feed the yeast and slow the dieoff, but why would it cause my heartrate to increase?

I was at the hfs yesterday and bought some pau d'arco tea. Is that sufficient as a yeast killer? If so, how much of that should I drink a day? Is that safe for breastfeeding?

I was also thinking of adding milk thistle for liver support. Is that a good idea with the other things I am doing? Is that safe for breastfeeding?

TIA for any advice!
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Well what I have had people do is the Natural Vitality's Cal/Mag in the am and NaturalCalm at night. You do need both with adrenal fatigue. They do compete, especially with a deficiency so I would go to great pains to do them separately.
Is the bowel tolerance thing always true? I normally have constipation and it takes a *ton* of vit c for me to reach bowel tolerance. I doubt 3 tsp of mag would push me over the edge but you never know.

So would you recommend calcium in the am and mag in the pm if they should be done separately?

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K, if you are considering going of abx, I would like to know a little more, if that's ok. You can share here so others (lots of readers) can get something out of it, or you can PM me, or you can decline altogether, no harm done. But I'd like to know what else you have been diagnosed with, that may be unrelated. Anything "big", like diabetes etc? Anything smaller or even tiny that comes to mind?

Do you have any blood test or other test results in file at home? I ask for and keep all mine, even now when they come electronically I still get print outs, but not everyone does. If you do, could you list your most recent results, as you see them in print? If you have too many to list, like a general blood chem test, I'll get you to just list those that are "out of range".

However, if you could also see any results that are close to out of range, list them. For instance, hypothetically, insulin "in range" might be 7 to 15, and your result is 7 or 8, write that - even though you are technically in range. This is because the ranges as they set them are not tight enough for a naturopath. A person can show "normal" on a test, enough to satisfy a regular doc, but be close enough to be significant clinically for a naturopath. If you have nothing like that, that's ok.

There are many pieces of a chronic health puzzle to put together, and in real life it's hard enough but online, when we can't even see you, it's ten times harder. All the info we can get helps, even if you think it is irrelevant - often those little tidbits are the clincher.

Sorry for not addressing previous posts.. again!... but I'm rushing about today and when I saw K is considering going off a med, I had to quickly post this.
I'll put it all out there. Who knows; maybe it'll help someone.
I'm 40, 5'7", 116 lbs.
kids at 29 (abx 2x during pregnancy, vaginal, breastfed 10 months), 32 (abx 2x during pregnancy, vaginal, 3rd degree laceration, baby broke collarbone coming out, breastfed 8 months), 36 (antibiotics 2 or 3x during pregnancy, right at beginning, c-section/breech, breastfed 12 months)

06/2000 had DS, milk intolerant (through me) at 1 week, I went off dairy for rest of breastfeeding, intolerant to soy once he started ingesting - started solids at 6 months
11/2000 fell down stairs (while breastfeeding) broke tailbone
01/2001 pneumonia (abx)
02/2/2001 colonoscopy (2 polyps removed; grandmother had colon cancer, I had rectal bleeding, doctor found nothing that would have caused bleeding but bleeding stopped after colonoscopy (???)
3/8/2001 UTI (this is the start of the downward spiral of UTIs) -- DS weaned between colonoscopy and the first UTI and I started back on dairy, back started bothering me so much that I could no longer wear a bra or jeans or anything binding without it spasming/pain.
09/2001 - gallbladder attack, gallstones, gallbladder removed
more UTIs and a couple of bouts of bronchitis -- IVP, CT scan of kidneys, 2 uroflows, cystoscopy, ultrasound of bladder, biofeedback, MRI of lower back to see if nerve damage, catheterization
07/2004 - got pregnant with DD#2 -- I counted 32 rounds of ABX (all different ones) between pregnancy #2 and #3 (Yikes, I didn't know it was that bad) - there were only 2 UTIs right at the very beginning of pregnancy and then both back and UTIs were good the rest of the pregnancy until 2 months postpartum, when I've pretty much been on abx for the last 2.5 years straight (and 2 bouts of random tendonitis in there too)

12/2006 - diagnosed with multinodular goiter

06/07
TSH 1.43

11/2007 Tests (I'll just give you the odd stuff or stuff that's close to range)
Vitamin D was at 30 (now up to 49)
urinalysis pH 6.5 (range 5.0-8.0)
uric acid 2.9 (range 2.5-7.0)
Alkaline Phosphatase 29 (range 33-115) - all the docs said it was fine to be low
Osteopenia

5/2008 - salive tests by naturopath (NeuroScience)
progesterone 1.991 (range <0.100)
cortisol 4.9 (am) 0.2 (pm) - she said both of those were low - put me on supplements that didn't do anything
epinephrine (urine test) 5.2 (range 8-12)
seratonin (urine test) 90.3 (range 150-200)
GABA (urine test) 12.1 (range 1.5-4.0)

6/2008
TSH 2.61 (range .4-4.5)
cholesterol 167 (I've always been at 220-230 - allopath said it was probably the high potency fish oil that the naturopath put me on for inflammation)
Alkaline Phosphatase 32 (range 33-115)

Went off dairy, gluten, yeast (by default), soy, egg in late July and most of back pain went away but flares that I haven't figured out (though now I'm wondering if it's high sugar days and feeding the yeast)

Now I'm taking Augmentin, Travacor (before bed), High Potency Fish Oil, Abx Support (probiotic), and doing saurkraut and coconut milk yogurt

I've been to 5 urologists, 3 physiatrists, 4 rounds of physical therapy, been ot lots of pain meds for my back, and muscle stim, and TENS therapy and water therapy, a neurologist, a renal specialist (to check kidney function, which was fine)

Went to a endocrinologist last month (she also happens to be an osteopath she told me) and she put me on 25mg of some thyroid medicine that starts with an L (I'm too lazy to go up and look at it) and go back to her in a month

I have very dry/cracking skin. I can't sleep but I'm exhausted (though the Travacor helps some), what else do you want to know?

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oh, and last year I went from 45-55 day cycles (my whole life that I wasn't on bcp), to 28-29 day cycles and I stop and start. Get it for 3 days then stop for 4 days, get it another 2 days, stop 2 days, get it another day or two. And I was on bcp from age 22-27, then between DD1 and DS (2 years probably, went on them 6 weeks pp, doctor said it was fine and wouldn't affect breastmilk). Was on Depo after DS (since all forms of bcp have lactose in them and I was worried since he couldn't tolerate milk) - that was a horrible experience - vast mood swings. Then went back on the pill after he weaned until about 6 months before I became pregnant with DD2.

I also have low to normal blood pressure. Had fainting spells in college and the next couple of years after. Neurologist said it was just that my blood pressure didn't equalize very well from laying down to standing up (I haven't had a problem with it for years though).

I'm always cold. Reg. temp is never higher than 97.3. Usually more like 96.5.

You people are costing me a fortune. I ordered my Oxygen Elements and Kefir starter today (can I use coconut water OR coconut milk? Which is better? Then I can get my kids to use it as well)

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Just signing on, and you all are talking too fast for me to keep up.

kjbrown, I believe it is important to *consult* (not obey), but to collaboratively discuss your plan about halting antibiotics with both your doctor and ND. You'll hear their concerns and counterpoints to all of us 'crazy internet folks' who do not know your whole story (not that a doctor does, btw). YOU are the expert on you. And YOU live with the decisions, so they are YOURS to make, not any of us, or the "experts". Lab tests don't mean everything, either. They are just a glimpse, a myopic glimpse of a whole picture.

I haven't caught up on the last 20 posts. But, definitely read the thyroid thread and the adrenal fatigue thread. There are a lot of interrelated variables, such as saliva testing for hormonal, throid and corisol levels. In addition, nutrient wise, magnesium and the essential fatty acids are critical to all of those variables. The iodine issue is out of my league, personally.

I want you OFF antibiotics, but not regressing and ending up with a full blown infection. Seriously, classical homeopathy would be my #1 FIRST STEP, regardless, without changing a thing. There is no urgency, imo, as you've been doing the antibiotics for 2 years, a month of research will make impulsive decisions unnecessary. You'll be able to write a book, when you are done; and YOU will know what sounds like the best course of action, rather than asking others to tell you what to do. When you are confident with your decisions, everything will unfold the way you need it to! It isn't just "antibiotics" or "no antibiotics", the big picture has hundreds of variables and perspectives. You are your best health care resource and advocate for yourself.


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What is the best probiotic?
You can not do dairy? Homemade kefir, homemade kombucha, homemade fermented vegetables. (store bought is easy and tons better than none!)

Also, bone broths are easy and has magnesium and calcium.

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Should I be treating my son at the same time? He is 14 mo & hardly eats anything. How do I get anything in to him to help?
I'd definitely give him CLO, bone broths, kefir, kombucha, fermented vegetables, and coconut oil for saturated fats.

Our son essentially exclusively breast fed until 15 months; and then started eating more around 18 months. He was always a chunky breastfed baby. I made "meatloaf" and froze it. He liked to hold it as a "fingerfood". I included all kinds of grated vegetables in the meatloaf. I also made zucchini bread, and froze it. Same thing, great finger food and dense with nutrition.

Also, could you make some green juices for both of you? Those are nutrient dense. And soak grains for pancakes, muffins, etc. if you use grains. I like the Sue Gregg method of using whole grains and grinding them in the blender. You get tons more nutrients that way. http://www.suegregg.com/recipes/brea...erwafflesA.htm

The "Got Kefir?" thead has many recipes. Note the heated kefir loses the probiotic benefits. http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=203282


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Just signing on, and you all are talking too fast for me to keep up.

kjbrown, I believe it is important to *consult* (not obey), but to collaboratively discuss your plan about halting antibiotics with both your doctor and ND. You'll hear their concerns and counterpoints to all of us 'crazy internet folks' who do not know your whole story (not that a doctor does, btw). YOU are the expert on you. And YOU live with the decisions, so they are YOURS to make, not any of us, or the "experts". Lab tests don't mean everything, either. They are just a glimpse, a myopic glimpse of a whole picture.

I haven't caught up on the last 20 posts. But, definitely read the thyroid thread and the adrenal fatigue thread. There are a lot of interrelated variables, such as saliva testing for hormonal, throid and corisol levels. In addition, nutrient wise, magnesium and the essential fatty acids are critical to all of those variables. The iodine issue is out of my league, personally.

I want you OFF antibiotics, but not regressing and ending up with a full blown infection. Seriously, classical homeopathy would be my #1 FIRST STEP, regardless, without changing a thing. There is no urgency, imo, as you've been doing the antibiotics for 2 years, a month of research will make impulsive decisions unnecessary. You'll be able to write a book, when you are done; and YOU will know what sounds like the best course of action, rather than asking others to tell you what to do. When you are confident with your decisions, everything will unfold the way you need it to! It isn't just "antibiotics" or "no antibiotics", the big picture has hundreds of variables and perspectives. You are your best health care resource and advocate for yourself.


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Yes, yes and YES. I could not agree more. I jsut needed for this to be posted again. We can all throw ideas, thought and suggestions at you, but ultimately you need to sit with it and use your intuitive sense to determine what the next step is. Anytime you abdicate responsibility to anyone else it does take some of your power away. You do need to be an active participant in your journey-that is a HUGE part of healing.

I will also say that there are some definite....interesting points in what you shared. There is no question in my mind that you have thyroid issues. No question. There practically isn't a sign you are missing. I would DEFINITELY look at iodine. Without question. Adrenals as well-that cortisol is low. That low vitamin D could be contributing to your pain, but you are getting to a level where that should be changing. Do you feel more comfortable?

Your neurotransmitters are a bit out of whack....I don't know if you have active symptoms of depression or not, but it wouldnt' be suprising. That to me also indicates gut damage.

Hmmm, I have alot of thoughts here. However, as Pat pointed out all of these things are bits and pieces of who you are, they are not a whole picture. There is no way to get that on a message board. I will have to just second the above suggestion for a classical homeopath. You do need to be doing some nutritional support so I'm not saying to ditch out on that, but a good remedy could really change things quite a bit.
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I forgot to mention that I do bone broths. I cannot do dairy. I have some water kefir grains & I'm just starting on that. My first batches didn't taste great but I'm going to tweak it.

[QUOTE]I'd definitely give him CLO, bone broths, kefir, kombucha, fermented vegetables, and coconut oil for saturated fats. [/QUOTE

I've been giving him CLO. I doubt he'd eat any of the rest of this stuff. That's the unfortunate truth. When I say he eats little, he really eats very little. But I'll try.

I'd love to be able to soak & grind grains but trying to find whole grains, etc is just beyond my energy level right now. But I'll work on it. I saw the Sue Gregg method & thought it looked doable.

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chlobo, have you tried smoothies? I can make a mean smoothie that is delicious. LOL I add all sorts of vegetables and fruits, fats, probiotics, etc.

Also, firefaery, do you have that avocado pudding recipe? It is delicious. No kid could refuse. And that pumpkin pie one? Or some of your other nutritious and delicious sneaky foods, lol?

Add the bone broth to rice or pasta, if you are using wheat?? I wouldn't, actually advise wheat though.

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Your neurotransmitters are a bit out of whack....I don't know if you have active symptoms of depression or not, but it wouldnt' be suprising. That to me also indicates gut damage.
Firefaery, can you please comment more on your comment here? Are you saying that gut damage leads to neurotransmitter imbalance? If so, why/how does this work?

I am wondering because when I had neurotransmitter testing last year, it showed my dopamine was "undetectable". This was consistent with my array of symptoms and with my experience over the years of which antidepressants meds worked for me (Wellbutrin) and which ones were disastrous (all the SSRIs).
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neurotransmitters are formed in the gut. Generally if you aren't forming them the root cause is gut damage.
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Wow. Thanks.

What do you think of the use of amino acid supps such as L-Tyrosine to boost neurotransmitters?
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Whew, ok. I wish I could be more thorough with all of this, but time does not permit that.

Chlobo, I was going to pm you these recommendations, and then thought I'd post them here, in case I want to do that here at some point anyway. Here's my pm:

Have you ever taken spirulina? That is a good all round supplement that they say you could live on because it has everything you need. You need to take mega doses though, like at least 10 grams a day. I was on ten 1 gram pills while pregnant, which was agonising trying to swallow that many pills in one sitting. But I got used to it.

I'd also look into maca and siberian ginseng and also ashwagandha (withania). If you were able to be on all four of those things, you'd spontaneously turn into superwoman, I'd reckon. The word of the day is : superfood. Git 'em inna ya. No supp can compete with a superfood.

The humble carrot is also a superfood. Raw carrots or carrot juice is amazing stuff.

Minerals in ionic suspension (often called "Colloidal", but not to be confused with products such as colloidal silver) are a good supplement.

For therapies, I'd do oral chelation for metal toxicity (I will be writing out the oral chelation protocol on my thread soon). Bug cleanses: viral, bacterial, yeast and parasite, which are often eradicated by the same treatments. Oxygen therapy is great for that. Be sure to eat lots of fermented foods and take probiotics for quite a while.

You mention you drink pickle juice. Caution: is it fermented in salt, or is it pickled in vinegar? The word "pickle" alerts me. Pickles are a HUGE no no when on the yeast bandwagon due to the vinegar. Fermented goods are great cos no only do they furnish you with good bacteria, they also help replace any good yeast that nystatin might wipe out (should you be on nystatin at any point). Yeast, for the most part, are food for bacteria, but some have a purpose in our gut further than that. If yeast goes fungal or overgrows, that's when we have to step in - kill, as it were.

I will take a moment here to deal with the word "kill" since it is pushing some buttons I notice. Whether you "starve" your yeast via diet, use bacteria in fermented foods or probiotics to "eradicate", or whatever method you use, you are killing yeast. Let's not mince words. Your goal is not to nurture the yeast, it is to "control" it... another word for "kill some off", yeah? Some people have struggled for years with yeast, and are getting sick of plodding along with diets and low quality of life that said diets bring, and the cycle of abuse that yeast fighting simply is. There are plenty of ways to humour the yeast, and "control" it, but some of us need to kill off a MASSIVE amount of fungal, invasive Candida albicans before MS, diabetes, thrush, fibromyalgia, allergies or whatnot has a chance of going away.



ETA - I agree wtih FF on so many things! Also on the gut and neurotransmitters. The gut is also the house of 80% of your immune system.

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K, when you mention anti-yeast diet, do you have a link to one you will follow? There are different schools of thought on the diets (for instance, some say honey, some say no honey), and I think they can be too rigid to follow successfully. Therefore I believe in the miniman dietary changes you can get away with, aside from the obvious offenders, of course, such as sugar that exists outside of a food. Stage one elimination according to Dr Semon is:

barley malt and malt products including maltodextrin (most breakfast cereals contain malt)

Vinegar

If you get little or no relief from that, then move to:
chocolate
beer
aged cheese

I will write stage 2 if you still have no relief or have already eliminated those things for two weeks or more.


2001 was a bad year for you, eh?

I've done neurological integration since 2005. So the brain is close to my heart (actually, that would look pretty mutant, but you get what I mean). I see you are excreting high amounts of GABA. Paradoxically, they have found that supplementing with GABA in this case, esp with the rest of your picture, is helping. 100Mg per day has show to make the patient sleepy and help with hormone and neurotransmitter production.

The other thing that intuitively struck me for you is 5-HTP. None of these things are really going to get to the cause, which I believe could possibly be viral damage to your cellular mitochondria. However, in the shorter term should spell some relief. I know you've already spent a packet so I feel terrible adding to that, so just look at this as something further to research instead if you like. I urge you to take this info from us to a professional. You may have noticed we all have different ideas with the same picture, and that's the rainbow of life, and I love it. But it does give you choice where it is already too hard to see clearly. I'm not sure how to help in that area other than, as others said recently, follow your gut.

There is a safe test for iodine deficiency if you'd like to check. I did it when pregnant. You get betadine, the topical antiseptic, and you put it into your skin, on the stomach or elsewhere that won't rub off over night. The size of your hand, approx. If it is almost gone in the morning, your body is slurping it in like a sponge, so you are probably iodine deficient. Although you have all the signs of iodine deficiency, I have come across cases where it wasn't the case, as not all goitre and thyroid issues are iodine related, most are however.

Either way, I suggest a thyroid glandular, which provides the raw material for the thyroid, taking the pressure off for a while and allowing it to heal. A quick google brought up this, although I haven't used it, just as an example.

Seaweed comes up for you also. You are lacking the sea on many levels: dehydration, low calcium and iodine. At risk of losing all credibility and just for giggles, what star sign are you? Do you live near the sea or toward the middle of the country? Do you eat fish? I like this sea product: lifestream calcium.


Orthostatic hypotension (dropping of BP as you stand) is often dehydration, as most hypotension is. As it isn't always, it is a good place to start. You need structured water, do not drink tap water. Structured water is found in natural springs, natural streams, ice and in food. To this date, I do not know of any other source of structured water. The water we drink these days is going in one end, toxing us up, and passing straight out. If you have no access to natural water (I live near a mountain, so I'm lucky and many are, hopefully you are?), then you can do the next best thing and freeze filtered water. You fill a bottle or bowl (preferably glass, not plastic) and freeze it until the top is frozen over, it need not be frozen through, the restructuring and energy will flow through the rest of the water. If you want to go even further in refining your water, bless it, or write on the side of the water, in mirror writing (so it faces the water), the words love and gratitude. Also drink lots of fresh juices and eat wet foods – structured water is found in food.

I notice you avoided lactose, do you still do this? Lactose is a sugar so usually is ok if you are allergic to milk protein.

You may be progesterone dominant, which is quite rare. But I see your weight and coldness and whatnot, so it all adds up hormonally. The cholesterol dropping indicates the liver is starting to struggle. The cortisol, serotonin and epinephrine show me that you are stressed out pretty badly and “tired but wired”. Meditation should not be underestimated for your condition. I would bet that if you got your cortisol tested years ago, it would have tested high. It is now testing low, in my opinion, because it is exhausted but would still be trying to pump it out at a great amount. Adrenaline is then used, which keeps us in a state of fight or flight, but your adrenaline is low I see, another indication that all systems are being taxed. Adrenal fatigue, as mentioned by others, shows for you. But we need to ascertain whether you are thyroid or adrenal dominant. Here is a questionnaire that might help. Let us know the results.

I believe removing pathogens from your system will be the ultimate cause removal for you. Yes, you are nutritionally deficient, but I can't see how your body will utilize more foods or supps at this stage anyway. We have to set the stage so you are digesting and assimilating more effectively. Ultimately, your dominant issue is the UTI, as your body is most symptomatic there. The kidneys show again with the blood pressure issue. (kidney support, next post) Correcting the pH to help the bacteria thrive and to remove acid residue and relieve the kidney's function and infection. (eating alkaline foods)

Have to run, but I have more. Also, waluso, I've got you down here on my list. Sorry it's taking me a while.

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Thanks so much for the info. I guess I should have said fermented pickles. We started doing it this summer & they're really great. I have one or two jars before we have to start buying the real pickles from whole paycheck.

WW or Calm,

When you make smoothies with green do you have to "juice" the greens first or do you just blend them? I do eat green twice a day. Nice fresh ones from the farm share but I saute them.

Please, any smoothie or green recipe would be great. Bring it on. I have a cooking pumpkin sitting on the counter right now.

We are currently GF/CF so I've been experimenting some with alternative flours but I'm not very good at it yet.

Thanks again for the info. I'll try some other stuff with DS. Maybe something will stick.

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K, when you mention anti-yeast diet, do you have a link to one you will follow? There are different schools of thought on the diets (for instance, some say honey, some say no honey), and I think they can be too rigid to follow successfully. Therefore I believe in the miniman dietary changes you can get away with, aside from the obvious offenders, of course, such as sugar that exists outside of a food. Stage one elimination according to Dr Semon is:
I looked at a bunch of them, and this is what I'm doing:
AVOID: sugar, fruit, yeast, gluten, vinegar, mushrooms, peanuts, alcohol, soda, cheese, processed meats, dairy

I was already avoiding gluten, yeast, mushrooms, cheese, processed meats, dairy, so I'm just adding sugar, fruit, alcohol, and soda, which is all the sugars. I am a sugar addict from way back, so it'll do me good to do this at any rate. And I'm pretty stubborn, so I can stick to it for the 4 months that I'm planning. Vinegar doesn't seem that hard to avoid so far.

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2001 was a bad year for you, eh?
What, falling on my butt, getting pneumonia, a colonoscopy, a zillion UTIs, and my gallbladder out? Nah. I've had worse years.... haven't I?

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Either way, I suggest a thyroid glandular, which provides the raw material for the thyroid, taking the pressure off for a while and allowing it to heal. A quick google brought up this, although I haven't used it, just as an example.
Levoxyl is what I'm gaking for thyroid.

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Seaweed comes up for you also. You are lacking the sea on many levels: dehydration, low calcium and iodine. At risk of losing all credibility and just for giggles, what star sign are you? Do you live near the sea or toward the middle of the country? Do you eat fish? I like this sea product: lifestream calcium.
It's funny. When I was pregnant with DD2, I wanted sushi ALL THE TIME. The vegetable ones (avocado, carrot, cucumber) not the raw fish, and for some reason I figured it was the seaweed that I wanted. I live in CT, 20 minutes from the sea. We eat salmon once every four days, and also haddock, catfish, and scallops (though not as often). I'm a Leo, but I've never felt like a leo....

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Orthostatic hypotension (dropping of BP as you stand) is often dehydration, as most hypotension is. As it isn't always, it is a good place to start. You need structured water, do not drink tap water. Structured water is found in natural springs, natural streams, ice and in food. To this date, I do not know of any other source of structured water. The water we drink these days is going in one end, toxing us up, and passing straight out. If you have no access to natural water (I live near a mountain, so I'm lucky and many are, hopefully you are?), then you can do the next best thing and freeze filtered water. You fill a bottle or bowl (preferably glass, not plastic) and freeze it until the top is frozen over, it need not be frozen through, the restructuring and energy will flow through the rest of the water. If you want to go even further in refining your water, bless it, or write on the side of the water, in mirror writing (so it faces the water), the words love and gratitude. Also drink lots of fresh juices and eat wet foods – structured water is found in food.
We have well water, and we live on a mountain. In the summertime we have an awesome filter on our water. And I drink lots of water and rooibas tea.

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DS and DD2 are milk intolerant so we tend to avoid ALL dairy anything.

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You may be progesterone dominant, which is quite rare. But I see your weight and coldness and whatnot, so it all adds up hormonally. The cholesterol dropping indicates the liver is starting to struggle. The cortisol, serotonin and epinephrine show me that you are stressed out pretty badly and “tired but wired”. Meditation should not be underestimated for your condition. I would bet that if you got your cortisol tested years ago, it would have tested high. It is now testing low, in my opinion, because it is exhausted but would still be trying to pump it out at a great amount. Adrenaline is then used, which keeps us in a state of fight or flight, but your adrenaline is low I see, another indication that all systems are being taxed. Adrenal fatigue, as mentioned by others, shows for you. But we need to ascertain whether you are thyroid or adrenal dominant. Here is a questionnaire that might help. Let us know the results.
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I took the test. I have 18 under Adrenal, 6 under thyroid, 12 under mixed, and 10 that were nothings.
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She also tried 3 different homeopathic remedies on me.
And craniosacral therapy.
None of it did anything for me (though some of the cranial work made me feel like I was run over by a truck).

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Yes, yes and YES. I could not agree more. I jsut needed for this to be posted again. We can all throw ideas, thought and suggestions at you, but ultimately you need to sit with it and use your intuitive sense to determine what the next step is. Anytime you abdicate responsibility to anyone else it does take some of your power away. You do need to be an active participant in your journey-that is a HUGE part of healing.
Believe me, I believe in researching things up the wazoo and taking responsibility for my health. Because I had a bad experience 20 years ago with the anti-yeast thing and went on the diet and supplements for 18 months and had no change in my health (except losing weight I didn't need to lose and getting viruses all the time), the yeast thing always stuck with me as "quacky" but reading through this post, and all the correlations, got me to re-think it. And I'm just teasing about "you guys costing me money" buying all the supplements. It's a drop in the bucket considering all the money I've paid to doctors/specialists/naturopaths/acupuncturists over the last 8 years and if it helps, then it will be money well spent. If it doesn't work, it's not any more than I've spent on other things that didn't work. I'm a "show me" type person. Every time I've come across something that might be a cause (since no one has found an actual cause), I'll investigate, and if it's worthwhile, bring it up to some healthcare practitioner.

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I will also say that there are some definite....interesting points in what you shared. There is no question in my mind that you have thyroid issues. No question. There practically isn't a sign you are missing. I would DEFINITELY look at iodine. Without question. Adrenals as well-that cortisol is low. That low vitamin D could be contributing to your pain, but you are getting to a level where that should be changing. Do you feel more comfortable?
The Vitamin D was brought up, but it didn't do anything for my pain level. But now that I found out I have osteopenia (after I requested the test results from the rheumatologist after she said "the results aren't good if you're not in menopause" but didn't say why), I'm going to continue on the Vitamin D.

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Your neurotransmitters are a bit out of whack....I don't know if you have active symptoms of depression or not, but it wouldnt' be suprising. That to me also indicates gut damage.
I don't. The naturopath said that one of the tests showed that I was compensating for the depression stuff, so I probably wasn't noticing any signs of depression.

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Hmmm, I have alot of thoughts here. However, as Pat pointed out all of these things are bits and pieces of who you are, they are not a whole picture. There is no way to get that on a message board. I will have to just second the above suggestion for a classical homeopath. You do need to be doing some nutritional support so I'm not saying to ditch out on that, but a good remedy could really change things quite a bit.
I guess I need to find another doctor. The naturopath that I was going to is an hour away and she's the one who discounted the thyroid and tried 3 homeopathic remedies on me that didn't work. Not sure where to find a new one. I'll have to start asking around again. Everyone I know is very traditional (except my SIL and half-brother who are the ones who recommended the naturopath that I was seeing).

At least when I have a plan, I feel like I'm doing something instead of just going along with all the issues I already have. My plan right now is to do the anti-yeast diet and kefir, sauerkraut, coconut yogurt, oil of oregano, black walnut/wormwood, Threelac, Oxygen Elements, Candex, and Fish Oil for 1 month, then go off the abx and see how I do. I figure that first month will be the ramping up. Then I'll jump off. After I got back from my summer away, the doctor thought I should go off the abx again to see if I could get further than 3 days without another UTI, so I have to do that again at some point, but I'll get my body ready first. And I'll look for another naturopath or homeopath. So much to do!!

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I juice greens as a base for my smoothie, but that is because fiber is no good for me. For years before that I just chucked greens into the blender with the fruit. That is what most people do. Water or FRESH OJ/grapefruit juice, one or two bananas (depending on the size of the smoothie) a handful or two of spinach or kale or parsley etc. blend. Then add frozen fruit (I love cherries, peaches, pineapple, strawberries etc.)
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KJ-I hope you didn't misunderstand what I'm saying. I have spoken to you several times and know that you are doing quite a bit. I wasn't suggesting that you weren't. It's just vitally important that you not only take the reigns, but find your internal compass. It's easy to get caught up in the head game and there is just alot more to it than that.

Oh-and naturopaths rarely know how to use homeopathy classically. They get a couple of classes in medical school whereas doctors of homeopathic medicine have 3-4 years of straight homeopathy. It's a whole different way of doing things.
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Calm-how do you feel about structuring water with MSM, living clay or liquid oxygen? I rarely drink water as I do alot of juicing (greens and carrots-no fruit) and there is no substitute for the water found in food, as you said. But for those who can't/don't want to juice that much what do you think? I have actually found that a pinch of a calcium residue clay or MSM can be phenomenal and liquid oxygen seems to do as good a job.

I will also reiterate the superfoods statement. They can be pricey, but no supplement will ever compete with them. Spirulina, Klamanth lake algae, maca etc. are just amazingly health giving.
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What are the best sources for superfoods? I"m happy to add them to my diet. Are they best taken in a smoothie?

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I have to say that the raw food world is the best place to look IMO in terms of the superfoods. You can put them in smoothies, but you can do OH so many yummy and delightful things with them as well! I have a great fudge recipe somewhere that uses maca, and a raw tootsie roll recipe that has all kinds of superfoods. I'm not saying you need to go raw, but they kinda have the market cornered on creative ways to utilize them. Take what you want, leave what you don't.
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Ok ladies- I have a yeast related question for you. For a while (just in the past couple months), I was getting some rashes on my legs that seemed to flare with food reactions or if I ate any kind of sweetener (honey, agave, maple syrup, etc.) Stopped all sugars, it completely went away. I really noticed it when I was eating a lot of raw, local honey. So I'm still torn over whether it was an allergic reaction to the pollens in the honey or a yeast rash. (It didn't look at all like pictures of yeast rashes that I've seen.)

Another symptoms I was having at the same time (sorry, kind of gross) was some nastiness in my belly button. It gets red, itchy, and then starts oozing a clear/white-ish discharge that smells like feet and kind of crusts over.

So when I stoppped all sweeteners (a few weeks ago), I stopped drinking kombucha too, thinking that the sugar in it might be exacerbating the problem. I started drinking it again about a week ago- and the belly button nastiness is back. But not the rash on my legs.

I've been googling, and the few discussions I can find about this belly button thing say either that it's yeast related (which seems weird- if I have yeast so bad it's coming out of my belly button... why no vaginal yeast or thrush or anything else?) or that the belly button is just another portal to release toxins (also seems weird to me.)

Anyone every heard of this belly button thing? Give me your thoughts. Sorry to share my nastiness with you. I just can't decide if the kombucha is a really bad idea (feeding my possible yeast) or a really good thing (flushing toxins from my body.)

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I have to say that the raw food world is the best place to look IMO in terms of the superfoods. You can put them in smoothies, but you can do OH so many yummy and delightful things with them as well! I have a great fudge recipe somewhere that uses maca, and a raw tootsie roll recipe that has all kinds of superfoods. I'm not saying you need to go raw, but they kinda have the market cornered on creative ways to utilize them. Take what you want, leave what you don't.
I would love the recipes- sure others would too. I find that I feel better eating a fair amount of raw. I have also found that being cf/gf that the raw world has some awesome treats that don't leave me feeling and bogged down.

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I'd love pointers to receipes as well.

So to figure out where to buy superfoods do I just google superfoods? Are the 3 you listed the biggies? Or are there others?

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K! Osteopenia? Nail, head, bang. Acid.

Acid


Acid

Acid acid acid.

Ok, now that I've said that.... (sleep deprived, going a little bonkers today) I know I've mentioned acid and pH to you several times, but now I'm going to push the issue because of the osteopenia. I think you'd get big relief from alkalising.

Hopefully you recall me mentioning how the body will rip alkalising minerals out of your bones and muscles to compensate for lack of them or for high use of them, sometimes causing symptoms (but not always), things like restless legs, calf cramping etc? I left it at that, but the issue does progress further. Osteopenia, etc, that comes next. These conditions are demineralisation of the bones, causing the density to diminish.

It is severe depletion of alkalising minerals. Your body will be struggling to keep the pH homeostatic, and sugar isn't just feeding your yeast, it is putting acid burden on your system big time.

I've got more, but getting two kids ready for the day at the mo. (eating breakfast at the computer, naughty girl)

Oh, quickly, Changingseasons, everyone's symptoms of yeast going fungal, or overgrowing, are different. Some experience skin issues, some get mucosal issues (vaginal thrush, oral thrush), some get localised infections, some get systemic dis-ease (MS, diabetes, etc). Some are related to the gut damage done by yeast and other gut wreckers, some are straight out yeast infestation symptoms. My daughter has a rash that comes and goes on her butt cheeks, she's six so it's not diaper rash. When this flares, I know her internal yeast is flaring. My son gets a rash under his armpit that smells like toenail stink (when you clean under your toenails). I have used antifungals to treat them, but both respond well to lavender oil so I use that.

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