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#211 of 1043 Old 10-09-2008, 08:31 PM
 
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hmmm, maybe i will call them tomorrow to find out which strain is/are used - i never even thought about it.
my dd reacts to the klaire labs ther biotic probiotic the same way that she does when she reacts to allergens. those are free of our allergens supposedly, so my ped thought maybe it was related to the inulin. she does not react to these at all
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Nanethiel, How is the program going?

Question: My almost 5 yr old isn't on a regular eating pattern. She'll have 2 or 3 snacks in between meals. Also, I don't have time in the morning to have her wait an hour for breakfast b/c she has to go to school. And at night it's sometimes less than 2 hrs between dinner & bed.

What kind of program can I craft for her?

Also, any ideas on a program for a 1 yr old who isn't eating much in the way of solids? I have nothing to hide things in.
My 6 yo daughter is taking Floradix multi liquid for kids in the morning, and can swallow pills now, either with water (if the pill is med sized) or with bread (if the pill is large). So she also has her probiotic in a capsule - I fill it each dose for her as she hates the taste and it is a powder I got for my infant son. I put his in a tsp of my milk, twice a day whenever I remember. I'm not very organised so it's very hodge podge around here. I figure if the day has passed and we all got our various doses, I did well. I wouldn't worry about spaces between meals, unless the product was REALLY specific about that. Just dose whenever you can.

For a 1 year old, probiotics are best in milk, but other things would depend on what they are. You can let the probiotics culture in the milk for a few hours apparently also, although I haven't done that yet.

There are many ways of cleansing to choose from. It would depend on what you prefer - quick and harsh-ish or slow and gentle or something in the middle. I'm a fast and nasty kinda gal. I don't have the patience for months of waiting and dosing. But that method can horrify another mother so I think the program you choose would depend on that. You can kill yeast with certain probiotics, anti-fungals, herbs/oils or enzymes. And if you are like me, you do all of them and hope you and your family don't drop dead from die off. We survived with nary a scar, for what that's worth.

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My 6 yo daughter is taking Floradix multi liquid for kids in the morning, and can swallow pills now, either with water (if the pill is med sized) or with bread (if the pill is large). So she also has her probiotic in a capsule - I fill it each dose for her as she hates the taste and it is a powder I got for my infant son. I put his in a tsp of my milk, twice a day whenever I remember. I'm not very organised so it's very hodge podge around here. I figure if the day has passed and we all got our various doses, I did well. I wouldn't worry about spaces between meals, unless the product was REALLY specific about that. Just dose whenever you can.

For a 1 year old, probiotics are best in milk, but other things would depend on what they are. You can let the probiotics culture in the milk for a few hours apparently also, although I haven't done that yet.

There are many ways of cleansing to choose from. It would depend on what you prefer - quick and harsh-ish or slow and gentle or something in the middle. I'm a fast and nasty kinda gal. I don't have the patience for months of waiting and dosing. But that method can horrify another mother so I think the program you choose would depend on that. You can kill yeast with certain probiotics, anti-fungals, herbs/oils or enzymes. And if you are like me, you do all of them and hope you and your family don't drop dead from die off. We survived with nary a scar, for what that's worth.
can you give a quick run-down of your protocol? i'm tired of feeling like crap all the time (fibromyalgia).

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I'm formulating a formal one, but don't have it ready yet.

I can tell you what I did and am doing though. BACKGROUND: At 2 months of age, candida starting infesting my son and turning fungal. My son had eczema on his face, legs and chest. He also had diarrhea that was often green and explosive. He had sebhorreic dermatitis on his scalp, which was the worst part of his condition - soooo so itchy and oozing and horrible (this was after he first got cradle cap at 2 months old), it spread to his forehead. All this happened at the same 2 month period as the eczema. It was pretty obvious the candida was taking over at this stage. He also acquired a stuffy nose whenever he tried to sleep.

** I wanted to be "pure, gentle and safe" at first. So I picked herbs and probiotics that wouldn't mess us up. I learned pretty fast I wasn't dealing with an easy foe.

** I first did Pau D'arco (capsules of dried herb) and digestive enzymes. I did this for a couple of weeks with nothing noticeable in the way of symptoms or relief. I gave nothing to my son except infant probiotics. The probiotics were less than useless.

** To heck with moderation, I then did a week of nystatin (in the form of Nilstat capsules), at least 500000IU a day. This gave me wicked die off symptoms including: diarrhea, stomach pain, headache and fogginess, vagueness, fatigue, mood swings and aggression and a hangover feeling. I gave my son liquid Nilstat, 50000IU a day for two days and then a 100000IU dose on the third day that caused BIG symptoms.

~~ if I could do this over, I would use probiotics at the same time. At the time though, I just used nystatin. I believe probiotics would have sped the process up immensely as the nystatin killed off all that yeast but they left spaces that I should have filled with good bacteria.


~~ the day after the bad die off, my son woke with gorgeous, clear skin. It was like a miracle. However, due to the die off my son had, I stopped the nystatin. As I hadn't given him probiotics (a lesson I learned), the yeast grew back in his gut and his skin flared again. I went on a very strict elimination diet. This diet lasted a month and I didn't take anything for fear of causing a reaction. I finally hit base line with him while eating nothing but chicken and rice and canola oil.

** We went to a NAET specialist who cleared all his allergies over a three week period, 7 allergies a week.

~~ Each week I was able to add some more of those cleared foods into my diet and he didn't react. However, they didn't treat his gut/candida and didn't even seem concerned when I repeatedly brought it up with them. My concern was that regardless of how he reacted now he was treated, he would still form allergies to new things and even things he was treated for if the CAUSE was not addressed - his gut.

~~ I realised it was up to me, and although grateful his eczema was under control, his scalp was treated by me, not them, as it was NOT an allergic reaction, it was a fungal condition. I tried mother nature's way, and used apple cider vinegar and tea tree oil on his scalp. It helped quite a bit, but was tedious, annoying, smelly and he cried. So again, I ditched that and went mainstream... I treated him with a simple anti-dandruff shampoo every other day that contains zinc pyrithione 1% - an antifungal. The fact that after the first wash it was all but gone reaffirmed I was on the right track. The next step was to stop the fight going on on his scalp, which was caused by the yeast in his gut triggering the immune system to fight relatively harmless yeast on the skin.


** Back to the fight at hand, I got some Threelac. I took 3 sachets a day and gave him half a sachet a day mixed in with his other probiotics.

** I got Oxygen Elements and usually forgot to take this. Although when I remembered, I noticed it made me feel pretty good, and caused loose poos. I gave 1 to 2 drops to my son when I remembered.

~~ two weeks on just those two things, and I was having more die off symptoms, but at the same time, feeling better than I had felt since I was a child. My poos were regular, a little too loose and frequent but I had constipation for 15 years so this was a welcome change. My son's poos were gorgeous! Bright breast-fed orange, smelling like buttermilk, no mucus, no green. His butt hole had no flecks of white creamy stuff anymore, and was not ringed in redness. His armpit did not get inflamed red patches anymore. His face was creamy and shiny. His scalp was still itchy on occasion but was clear of any sign of dermatitis. He was happier and more alert, less like he was "distracted" by something within.

~~ I finished the Threelac and I would come to learn you can't "stop" treating yeast, not this early in the piece without maintenance protocol in place. I started him on solids and lo and behold, his face had a slight reaction.


** So we started on oregano oil. I massaged a couple of drops into his feet and I put several drops into capsules for myself, daily, and when I was feeling brave, I just dropped it right into my mouth. It was spicy as f***, burned a bit, but left my mouth feeling clean and my throat clear. This also caused a few nights of sore throat as I killed off candida in my upper respiratory tract. I put a drop into some water, swished it around and then pulled a ml into a syringe for my son. He winced, I laughed, that was that.

** I got L. Rhamnosus and put us both on that each day. It seemed to clear his inflammation nicely.

** now, we are on nystatin again also.

~~ I will not rest until all the yeast is under control and his skin does not react to anything. Compared to where we were we are very blessed. I find it hard to read the allergy forum without wincing these days, as I remember being there in that hell. But I am a perfectionist and my son deserves perfect health. Yeast is a hardy organism, it will take more effort to defeat it and even more effort to keep it from ever infesting again, much like anyone has to do. I'm sure people would argue this but I firmly believe I have proven that yeast causes allergies, particularly eczema.

When I'm not treating for yeast, he reacts. When I treat yeast, he is healthy. Same with myself. But the important thing is to TREAT IT HARD. Don't pussy foot around, you will not win that way. People tell me "I tried a yeast kill but I've still got xyz issues and my child still has allergies" and I ask what they did and honestly, it is usually so mild as to be a joke. Such as, "oh, we went on kefir" or some other small token of an attempt to beat yeast.

(note: sometimes those things actually work! I'm not totally disparaging them, BUT, mostly they don't, and only serve to disillusion the sufferer)

Hence, I keep going on these threads and yelling NYSTATIN and THREELAC cos by George, ya gotta KILL the basta... err, bad guys. Ehem. If you don't feel like absolute crap when doing it, you're not doing it.

Try all the heavy duty stuff is my advice, the oils, the meds, throw in enzymes for the antifungal resistant strains, be sure to take GOOD QUALITY bacteria, lactos and bifidos, especially lactobacillus rhamnosus GG. Eat fermented goods, but in my opinion, use that as maintenance, use it to keep healthy; don't try to use it to get healthy, cos candida will laugh in your face.

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I don't think I ever replied to this thread.

DD1 has severe nut allergy (treenuts). She was born via c/s, induction, pitocin, fever during labor treated w/abx (keflex I think). I realized I had ductal thrush about 6 weeks pp - she didn't have oral signs of thrush though. We were treated with one month of diflucan (sp?) She had lots of gas until about 2-3 months when we realized she had dairy allergy & I cut that out of my diet for nursing & her stomach issues cleared up. I gave her dairy based formula once sometime around 6-8 weeks which gave her bad gas. She was occasionally given soy formula occasionally between 5-10 months & then weened at 10 months & moved to full time soy formula.

DD2 is just over 1 year old, born via c/s, no known allergies & hasn't shown any of those early signs of allergy. I was given keflex again in the hospital. With her, I took probiotics at the end of pregnancy & was diligent taking them those first 6 weeks. Never had thrush with her. She is now on solids & has no reactions to dairy. I did not supplement with formula at all & she was ebf (no solids) until 7 months. Still bf at 16 months & plan to continue until 2 years old or longer.

My sister's son has severe nut allergies & has progressed to other food allergies as he gets older. He was born vaginally, but she was given IV antibiotics for group b strep. He had lots of spit up & reflux - I don't recall if he was medicated for the reflux. She struggled with oral & nipple thrush with him. Don't know if he had any allergies while bf, none of us knew that was a possibility at the time.
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I haven't read all of this thread and I'm just jumping in here but I noticed that my baby reacted to a lot of foods after my c/s even when I didn't have any antibiotics. I had a lot of organ distress after the anesthesia (especially after the general). I started to clean up my gall bladder, liver and appendix and noticed that as those organs started functioning, my baby stopped having trouble. Perhaps it was a coincidence that the same things I used on my other organs healed my gut but I thought it was interesting. I am wondering if it is gut healing or organ healing or maybe both... any thoughts?
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Calm - why did you decide not to do Threelac again? instead of Nystatin?

It has been about a month of taking enzymes and a couple of weeks with Fivelac and Oxygen Elements.

I have average to mild headaches about 70% of the time, but that's about it for me. I have yeast in my breasts, sometimes it is still bothering me.
DS2 is a bit more cranky, but he is still sensitive to citrus, so I know the citrus in Fivelac is bothering him a bit - just very, very mild excema and a couple of spots on his face.
We pulled the yeast treatment on my DS1 because we are seeing if Trienza will help him with digesting dairy. It is hard to tell if his behavior issues are allergy or yeast related.

Although we are far from being there yet, how do you decide when you are yeast free. Excema is directly related to foods, not yeast. What kind of maintenance program would someone suggest.

I have just begun to try to give enzymes to my boys between meals, as a yeast fighter, but it is hard to find times when their stomachs are empty.

I am trying water kefir,
we are doing vit C, CLO, bone broth

any other suggestions?

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Excema is directly related to foods, not yeast.
Well, this is not entirely accurate. Eczema is a result of stress on the liver which can be caused by food allergies amongst other things. Anything that is present or continuously introduced into the bloodstream at a faster rate than the liver can clear it can be the culprit. It could also be an issue of a low functioning liver. Eczema is often seen with food allergies and yeast but the cause is really more about toxins in the bloodstream and/or the lack of ability of the body to detoxify properly.
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Well, this is not entirely accurate. Eczema is a result of stress on the liver which can be caused by food allergies amongst other things. Anything that is present or continuously introduced into the bloodstream at a faster rate than the liver can clear it can be the culprit. It could also be an issue of a low functioning liver. Eczema is often seen with food allergies and yeast but the cause is really more about toxins in the bloodstream and/or the lack of ability of the body to detoxify properly.
FF, what do you think of taking Milk Thistle for liver support? Do you know if it's safe for bfing?
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Both DD's were born via c/s. DD1 has dairy allergies manifesting in eczema. Is also allergic to quite a few non-food things.

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Well, this is not entirely accurate. Eczema is a result of stress on the liver which can be caused by food allergies amongst other things. Anything that is present or continuously introduced into the bloodstream at a faster rate than the liver can clear it can be the culprit. It could also be an issue of a low functioning liver. Eczema is often seen with food allergies and yeast but the cause is really more about toxins in the bloodstream and/or the lack of ability of the body to detoxify properly.
Oh interesting, I didn't realize that. Now that I know this, maybe I can branch out my approach to healing, to include liver support. Does that make sense.?

what I meant to say was "his eczema is directly related to foods, not yeast." - not a general comment about eczema.

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FF, what do you think of taking Milk Thistle for liver support? Do you know if it's safe for bfing?
well, for mom I think it's fine and don't hesitate to use it while breastfeeding. I also make sure to clear detox pathways though so that toxins can be cleared in every way possible.
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well, for mom I think it's fine and don't hesitate to use it while breastfeeding. I also make sure to clear detox pathways though so that toxins can be cleared in every way possible.
What do you mean by clearing detox pathways? Like Bioset? Or can I do it myself?
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what I meant to say was "his eczema is directly related to foods, not yeast." - not a general comment about eczema.
I understand, and I'm being nitpicky here because it's how my brain works. Feel free to ignore me.

In your case it sounds like the eczema is a result of a leaky gut which then causes (or rather allows) food allergies. So it's not the allergies that are an issue, per se...it's the fact that the gut is open and leaking proteins into the bloodstream which causes the immune system to attack and go into overdrive. The liver then has to work overtime since the gut is leaking to clear all of that from the bloodstream. And if you keep going (and I have made it clear that I don't personally believe that it's always yeast at the top of the cascade) yeast is something that can make the gut porous when it shouldn't be. So even if you know that foods are causing a reaction *now* I think it's always a good idea to be able to see the whole picture, if that makes sense. The point being that it *can* be easier to get a handle on things if you understand them. In your case, do you know WHY your dc has food allergies? Did he have them from birth? Did they develop after he started eating solids? Was there an event that triggered them?
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In your case, do you know WHY your dc has food allergies? Did he have them from birth? Did they develop after he started eating solids? Was there an event that triggered them?
I'm not the poster you were addressing, but I'm curious to know where you're going with this, since my dd developed her corn allergy after she began solids (which unfortunately, included a lot of crappy corny food), but my ds I feel was "born" with them (not in a genetic way, necessarily). Of course, much of this I'm looking at in hindsight because it wasn't until he was 4 mths old that I decided, yes, he's reacting and went on an ED. His symptoms were hiccuping A LOT in utero, cradle cap that lingered, including a crustiness in his eyebrows after the scalp crustiness was gone, some little bumps on his back (kind of like milia, so I never thought anything of them, but they went away when I did the ED). I definitely think it all goes back to leaky gut and/or nutrient deficiencies in me, though it's hard to know what to do beyond what I'm doing.
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What do you mean by clearing detox pathways? Like Bioset? Or can I do it myself?
I use supplements, but there are certainly many methods.
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I'm not the poster you were addressing, but I'm curious to know where you're going with this, since my dd developed her corn allergy after she began solids (which unfortunately, included a lot of crappy corny food), but my ds I feel was "born" with them (not in a genetic way, necessarily). Of course, much of this I'm looking at in hindsight because it wasn't until he was 4 mths old that I decided, yes, he's reacting and went on an ED. His symptoms were hiccuping A LOT in utero, cradle cap that lingered, including a crustiness in his eyebrows after the scalp crustiness was gone, some little bumps on his back (kind of like milia, so I never thought anything of them, but they went away when I did the ED). I definitely think it all goes back to leaky gut and/or nutrient deficiencies in me, though it's hard to know what to do beyond what I'm doing.
Well, I could go many directions! What I was trying to convey though is that there are many ways of looking at things and it's best not to get too focused on one "thing" even if it seems obvious. Some people eat dairy and get eczema so it seems obvious to them that dairy causes eczema in their kids. For me that is a symptom and I want to know why so it can be corrected.

Often it's relatively easy to pinpoint, and once you do it gives you a whole host of information that can make a huge difference in your life. If it's not easy to pinpoint, that STILL gives you a good amount of info!
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Alright, just read this thread. My experience:

No antibiotics in pregnancy for myself or babies. I don't even remember when I had antibiotics. My parents very, rarely ever took me to a dr(although I lived there as a baby). Both babies were born w/o anything- no eye drops, etc. No iv for me or anything given other than a local for the stitching of a minor tear after #1. Number #2 was born at home, no tear, nothing adminstered to me or her. #1 had 2 month shots and nothing else, #2 has had no shots.

Both babies had food issues from birth. Rather they had issues w/ me ingesting milk. #2 had issues w/ gluten as well, starting sometime after the intro of solids. He is still gluten intolerant and casein intolerant and his symptoms along w/ genetic profile and stool testing suggest Celiac to me.

I believe that the yeast issues are secondary for us. Well, I am not sure of Luke or Lily having yeast issues, but I know that I do. I know that dh does as well.

Sometimes this seems like something that can be conquered and othertimes- it is just overwhelming, entirely. Especially when there are multiple things to look at and figure out what was the underlying issue.

We (kids and I) are currently gf/cf. We will be starting the Feingold diet soon as well(as soon as it comes in the mail). I believe that Luke has issues w/ dyes, perservatives and the salicytes. I am also looking into obtaining the nystatin- I don't know if the best way to obtain would be to buy online or try and get it from the dr. I currently have a yeast rash on my bum, popped up the last time I ate a bunch of dairy (accidently actually). I have been meaning to at least treat it topically w/ some coconut oil. I have been planning to get some kind of keifir as well. Juice keifir sounds much more appealing, but that probably feeds the yeast as well...

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I started on nystatin again for a couple of reasons, one of which is cost. In Oz, we get cheap prescriptions so nystatin costs me less than 4 bucks, threelac costs me almost $50. Also, as i was on specific bacteria, I didn't want to use any others at this time. Lastly, I wanted something brutal. Of all the things I did, I feel nystatin was the best and fastest killer of yeast, and showed the fastest result in my son.

I agree yeast isn't the only reason for leaky gut and allergies. Parasites rank right up there for me. Anything that irritates the bowel lining. However, they estimate 85% of the population has a yeast issue, either detected or not, so if you're a betting person, you'd win if you bet on it most of the time. Gov't Clinical Trials, here, are listed publicly as they look for participants (you could join one of them if you qualify, look around at the trials looking for participants), and I keep an eye on what is being tested by mainstream science via this, amongst other things. It keeps me up to speed with just how far behind science is to naturopathy . THIS study was of interest to me as it used L. Rhamnosus in the trial for eczema.

Interestingly, the smallest differences in the specifics of some experiments change the results. Some eczema trials show no improvement with probiotics of any type, other trials show significant improvement with probiotics (esp L. rham). Same amount of people, different outcomes. So care must be taken when looking at scientific data to determine if something is going to "work" based on gov't trials. But it is a worthy research tool, nonetheless.

The other factor behind "genetic" allergies has a lot to do with the mother's gut during pregnancy and the birth. My more recent research has shown science is looking deeply into probiotics usage during pregnancy and finding a significant difference in allergy appearance in children. Not only does it affect the mother's gut, and therefore the baby's gut, but it affects the factors in the milk, and how protective the colostrum and mature milk is.

While I'm on the topic of "genetic diseases", I must say that I think they are, for the most part, bollocks. There have been several studies done to show why this is so. Of note is the study done on over 2000 twins in Europe that were separated at birth (how they found that many twins separated at birth still blows my brain.. but anyway...). Pay attention, this will astound you... they found that the child "inherited" the genetic diseases of the adoptive family. Think long and hard about that, it will change your world perspective. One twin got the genetic disease of his family and the other twin of his family. This defies logic, either that or we have made a profound error in our classification and treatment of "genetic diseases". Diabetes (shown to be prevented by probiotics, what a surprise), cancers, even psychological diseases - anything previously thought to be DNA or otherwise running in a physical family history has been blown away by several studies done on families.

The only thing genetic about most diseases is environment and lifestyle.

Therefore, with that in mind, when you think "genetic predisposition to allergy", what are you really saying? You are saying that something your family is doing to cause this issue, you are also doing to cause it in your child. This may be lack of bacteria in the environment (the "hygiene hypothesis" which states that our obsession with sterility has rendered us, well, sterile: lacking bacterial protection), parasitic infection, oh damn, the list would be long.

But it ain't in the genes. Look around you, THAT's where it is.

A friend sent me this article about the hygiene hypothesis in relation to diabetes and immunity.

So don't sit back and think darnit, it's genetic so I have to wear it. You CAN fight it. Seal up your gut, that's where I'd start, by doing all the things that might seal it, from yeast fighting, parasite killing, all the reasons the wall gets inflamed and open to letting undigested matter through.

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. THIS study was of interest to me as it used L. Rhamnosus in the trial for eczema.

Interestingly, the smallest differences in the specifics of some experiments change the results. Some eczema trials show no improvement with probiotics of any type, other trials show significant improvement with probiotics (esp L. rham). Same amount of people, different outcomes.
What I've seen is that probiotic specificity is becoming more precise in the research studies. "We" are more able to isolate individual microflora and contain it for administration through a controlled artificial route, such as a capsule (vs. placebo). Instead of testing (generic) "probiotics", the studies are being done on individual strains of microflora. My concern is that those isolated microflora don't generally occur in nature *in isolation*.

Additionally, the underlying gut imbalance isn't being identified (generic "eczema" is the qualifier in some). And the "eczema" (outward symptom) is being treated with the same isolated probiotic strain. (Seemingly, just the opposite end of the research spectrum.) From what I've read about kefir, for example, is that the isolated strains, in combination can not recreate the same product, as the whole symbiotic colony. 'The whole is greater than the sum of the parts' theory. These smallest differences in the specifics of some experiments in the "studies" lead me to embrace whole food alternatives. I understand that dire times, compel dire choices.

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Thank you for posting this! This is profound! Again the studies are on both ends of the spectrum: isolated strains of microflora and generic "probiotics". The limitation of attempting to identify the relevant variable "requires" isolating the manipulated variable. I wonder if dissecting the whole, destroys the actual "part" that is of most benefit.



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I had a natural, out-of-hospital birth, but my body was bombarded with antibiotics in the months immediately before I got pregnant (it's a long story, involving misdiagnosis and shoddy care from an OB-GYN I was seeing; after he pumped me up full of various oral and topical antibiotics and anti-yeast meds, without doing a culture to see what I actually had, I got smart and went to a better doctor--at that point, I was tested and it turned out I had a bladder infection, so I needed another round of--appropriate--antibiotics). We have a family history of allergies, but I feel very strongly that the complete decimation of my gut flora "triggered" dd's severe food allergies. She was allergic from birth--she reacted to her allergens through bm.
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has anyone gotten REALLY hungry as they start to kill off yeast? i'm wondering it's a response by the yeast to increase their food source and therefor survival odds or if i'm stress eating. :


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that has sort of been my platform for a long time. IN fact Barker's Hypothesis talks quite a bit about being programmed for disease in the womb and there's a couple of threads going on right now that I've been posting on saying exactly that. Most diseases are NOT genetic. They are a result of a particular family's chosen method of detoxification and therefore nutritional needs. When you see things run in families it's because they tend to be in the same environments, exposed to the same things with the same nutritional defiencies passed down over time so the same "conditions" manifest.

Most diseases are a result of nutritional deficiency which can go back quite far in the family line. I also encourage everyone to remember that you did experience life in your grandmother's body. You were an egg in your mother growing in your grandmother's belly....you have a direct connection with her nutritional stores. It is a far bigger picture than most people realize.

In terms of allergy this is even more important because so many allergies have been linked to deficiencies. Babies are of course sensitized by their mothers but even celiac disease has been shown to be in large part a result of a niacin deficiency which is of course passed down. If mama don't have it, baby won't either.

This is also why so many "genetic" diseases are being healed in the field of clinical and integrative nutrition.
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So don't sit back and think darnit, it's genetic so I have to wear it. You CAN fight it. Seal up your gut, that's where I'd start, by doing all the things that might seal it, from yeast fighting, parasite killing, all the reasons the wall gets inflamed and open to letting undigested matter through.
Dammit, where have you been? I have been posting this all over this board and have been looking for some more support-lol There's only a precious few that really understand this.
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Dammit, where have you been? I have been posting this all over this board and have been looking for some more support-lol There's only a precious few that really understand this.
Isn't this what Amanda talks about in her book about rebuilding from depression? Overcoming the nutritional deficits of current & previous generations?

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she is one of those few. I don't see her around much anymore.
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In your case it sounds like the eczema is a result of a leaky gut which then causes (or rather allows) food allergies. So it's not the allergies that are an issue, per se...it's the fact that the gut is open and leaking proteins into the bloodstream which causes the immune system to attack and go into overdrive. The liver then has to work overtime since the gut is leaking to clear all of that from the bloodstream. And if you keep going (and I have made it clear that I don't personally believe that it's always yeast at the top of the cascade) yeast is something that can make the gut porous when it shouldn't be. So even if you know that foods are causing a reaction *now* I think it's always a good idea to be able to see the whole picture, if that makes sense. The point being that it *can* be easier to get a handle on things if you understand them. In your case, do you know WHY your dc has food allergies? Did he have them from birth? Did they develop after he started eating solids? Was there an event that triggered them?
It has been days since I read this. I have been thinking a lot about the liver working overtime, as well as reading the ENTIRE chelating mamas thread. I don't think our main issue is metal toxicity.
It is allergies caused by what? well. .. . I think yeast, and I do think I need to help support our livers, which I have been reading about.
We reintroduced dairy to our older DC (not the one frequently mentioned here). It took a few weeks for him to start reactions - circles under eyes, and then some behavior. At that time we also introduced enzymes and then Fivelac. His behavior, which used to be a huge issue with dairy, has been ok. I have begun to wonder if we can support his liver better,and allow the toxins to be released if that would be enough. On a weekly basis he usually eats, 6 oz of Tilamook cheese, 16 oz dairy kefir, 8 oz raw milk. That's it for the dairy. I want to learn more about liver health and how to help clear pathways.
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My mother grew up on a self sustaining farm eating whole foods, but they were extremely poor. The foods that they bought were poor quality (junk and sugar). She smoked three packs a day when pregnant with me. She stopped when I was three. My mother has many medical issues that I attribute to diet, yeast and possibly metal toxicity. (hives after eating yeasty things, depression, constipation -uses metamucil, etc)

I struggled with an eating disorder for ten years through teenage years, including using laxatives. Soon afterwards, I started using birth control pills and stopped ten years later a month before I got pregnant and miscarried (blighted ovum), DS1 was conceived 2 months later. I struggled with tension headaches, and probably took 6-10 advils a week. I am very overweight, but lost 60 pounds a year ago, I haven't been able to lose more. I should lose another 50. As an adult, my diet was typical SAD, but with many vegetables and everything homecooked. Along with trying to enrich my diet with fruits and veggies, I also ate a lot of homebaked sweets (the extra 60 lbs had to come from somewhere.). I am currently using Merena and am wondering if I should have it removed.

DS1 was a difficult labor but was born vaginally. He was 9.6 at birth. At 8 months had first problem with thrush. Had issues with thrush a few more times, used gentian violet to fix it. He was an extremely intense baby, poor sleep, very happy but only when interacting with someone. Pooped once every 15 days. Crusties behind ears. I struggled with low milk supply. He was getting very little milk at 3 months, but I didn't supplement. No one seemed to believe me that my supply was very low. I finally used a pump to increase my supply. We only realized that he had dietary issues when DS2 was born and had bloody stools. then we were able to connect the dots. I had significant ppd, including panic attacks and hearing voices to hurt my baby.
3 years later ds was born, via c-section because he was breach. He was 10.3 at birth. During pregnancy, I had a hard time with starchy foods, I got the jitters, but all sugar tests came back negative. (This has continued until recently, all tests come back great, probiotics have helped me.) My strep B test came back positive when pregnant. I had oversupply and brief experience with overactive letdown at first. At 2 weeks he had blood in his stool and it was mucousy. At 3 weeks the blood was in strips (from dairy). I removed dairy and for the next 2 years removed 20 other things. DS2 is great as long as I keep on top of allergens, but he continues to develop more when he gets too much exposure to an item. (apples, eggs).

It has been so hard to find answers. I saw a NP for most of DS2 first year. She helped a bit, but wasn't great with the allergy area. She seemed really puzzled but didn't do anything about it, except for argue with me about how reliable muscle testing was. Yes, he might be reacting with a rash from the shellfish in your iodine pills, but look he tests fine for it! He is fine. Maybe he was fine with the substance itself, maybe it was a liver issue. Not sure.

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Okay, I have ALOT to say to you and I'll do what I can before my kids tweak.

Low milk supply (and oversupply) is an indication of an unhealthy gut which of course leads to a nutrient deficiency. Equine studies have correlated low milk supply with a cobalt deficiency. However there is alot to look at there. Yeast thriving also indicates a B vitamin deficiency, and I would wonder about your ds's palate. It is broad and U shaped or narrow and pitched? Is there still a visible line down the center?

Was the stooling issue from birth? Did that ever change?

Based on your history I think you are probably deficient in zinc, vitamins A and D and omega 3 fatty acids. Magnesium comes up too. They would all make alot of sense given the picture you have painted.

You probably aren't able to lose more right now because the body is trying to protect itself. That can change when you figure out what the underlying issue is. Even then though toxins are stored in the fat and your body will generally not allow too many toxins to be dumped into the bloodstream until it's ready to handle it.

I actually think muscle testing can be very effective, but only if the practitioner knows what they are doing. And, even if the supplement was fine but the liver wasn't it shouldn't have tested positive. Muscle testing looks to see how the body as a whole responds so if there is even a slight issue it should be negative. I will say though I have seen practitioners that really understand it (and can accurately pinpoint issues that are later confirmed by bloodtesting) and practitioners that want to use it, but really have no clue. There are many ways to do it too. I don't know. I've seen it be helpful in the right hands and leave MUCH to be desired in the wrong ones. Not commenting on *your* practitioner....just sayin'.


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I have a question about yeast, especially because a lot of people here think it's the cause of everything. I've never had any evidence of a yeast issue (that I know of). I was put on the yeast connection diet when I was early 20s for 18 months, and it never did anything for me (was supposed to help my high cholesterol). I lost weight, which I didn't need to lose, but that was about it. I've been on tons of abx over the years. My kids never had thrush. I only had a yeast infection once, this past spring, even though I've been on abx for the lst 2.5 years straight (chronic UTIs that have no cause that anyone can find). I do have food intolerance issues, just found out this summer, when I went on the rotation/elimination diet with my kids. My first has no food issues (vaginal), the second was intolerant to milk/soy from birth (vaginal) but has MORE intolerances now, and third was intolerant to a whole slew of stuff (not until solids, but she was c-section). I had abx twice during each pregnancy. So what could have happened between kid 1 and kid 2 TO ME to cause the leaky gut that put my kids on the path of intolerance. Would there have been something to CAUSE it, or just a spontaneous thing? That's the part I don't understand.

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