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My 3 year old has severe eczema that is exacerbated my dairy and soy so naturally we took her off of it. She drinks rice milk it their place. We give it to her watered down. Of course she also drinks water. We brush her and her sister's teeth every night.

So yesterday I was playing with her and she smiled and I noticed her 2 front teeth looked like she had something in them. She didn't. Her teeth have chipped off at those parts

I have always been worried about this happening. My little cousin who is a good 14 years younger than me had the same dairy and soy allergy and did rice milk and his baby teeth also did the same thing. I just can't believe I didn't notice! I swear there was nothing and then all of a sudden she's got little bits of the sides of her 2 front teeth missing. It's hardly noticeable. I had to point it out to DH when he was looking but still.

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Rice milk is fortified with calcium but it really isn't absorbed well. There is also evidence the calcium clings to the container and there is hardly any. It's basically sugar water.

Teeth need calcium, phosphorus, magnesium and vitamin D and K to build. All of these nutrients will likely need support. How is her growth rate? You might want to look at the Curing Cavities with Nutrition thread. I think there is a dairy free thread around here somewhere too.

Does she still have eczema now?
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don't have time to check but I think she needs something like 600 mg of calcium/day, I know my DS is a couple years older needed 800mg minimun. Because of course this is mainstream advice, traditional diets with perfect teeth ate more than the RDA of all nutrients.
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Thanks Jane!

I was thinking it was calcium as well because I have seen rotting teeth (because of poor care and loads of sugar) and this more looks thinning if that makes any sense.

She is very teeny. My husband had been for the first part of his life but when we married and he started eating healthy foods he really has shot up in height and bulked up. Mable is wearing a 6 month pair of shorts and top right now. Even 12 month pants fall off of her. She is 3, BTW. She is also a picky eater which is hard with her restrictions.

And she still has eczema and it is horrible! If we give her dairy and soy it gets much much worse and she also complains of headaches and has horrible painful bowl movements. We were thinking it was a gluten intolerance but when we went gluten free nothing happened. I am thinking we need to try again because she is just miserable. For the past few days she has been coming up to her dad and I and asking us to please take off her eczema

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are you able to take her to a good pediatric allergist? Without proper treatment for eczema, eliminating the right foods AND topical treatments, she will be miserable. (Not saying that you aren't treating it properly, but a non-invasive allergist can work wonders).

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are you able to take her to a good pediatric allergist? Without proper treatment for eczema, eliminating the right foods AND topical treatments, she will be miserable. (Not saying that you aren't treating it properly, but a non-invasive allergist can work wonders).
This is an issue as I have taken her to the doc covered head to toe (literally) in eczema and my pedi says "she has asthma of the skin. There is nothing I can do. Just keep putting cream on it" : Uh...... huh? This is SEVERE eczema, ykwim? It's even caked on her ears. I just don't get it. But I have to have a referral in order to take her to any sort if specialist.

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Oh poor babe and poor mama! I know how you feel! For us a number of things triggered DS's eczema, I just tested and pulled a bunch of foods including most fruits ex bananas and pears. He also reacted to tomatoes, peppers, cucumber, berries, grapes, oats, rice, corn, wheat, dairy and eggs for a while. He's back on most of those now except the high salicylate foods (tomatoes, orange, berries, cherries, grapes, cucumbers et al www.plantpoisonsandrottenstuff.org).

Salicylate intolerance provides an explanation as to why I pulled most of those things, it's not an allergy but an intolerance so thus will never show on any allergy tests other than observation. Both the FAILSAFE diet and also Feingold diet information www.feingold.org on salicylates and how they can cause reactions of many different sorts but including rashes. What about doing an elimination diet?

Fatty acids including evening primrose oil and high vitamin cod liver oil (Blue Ice or Radiant Life) also helped a great deal.
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This is an issue as I have taken her to the doc covered head to toe (literally) in eczema and my pedi says "she has asthma of the skin. There is nothing I can do. Just keep putting cream on it" : Uh...... huh? This is SEVERE eczema, ykwim? It's even caked on her ears. I just don't get it. But I have to have a referral in order to take her to any sort if specialist.
ARGH! Demand a referral.

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This is an issue as I have taken her to the doc covered head to toe (literally) in eczema and my pedi says "she has asthma of the skin. There is nothing I can do. Just keep putting cream on it" : Uh...... huh? This is SEVERE eczema, ykwim? It's even caked on her ears. I just don't get it. But I have to have a referral in order to take her to any sort if specialist.
Poor Baby!!! Man I would demand a damn referral. Allergists have so much more experience with eczema...they have a whole different world of resources.

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does aquaphor help. I know in the meantime...baths and showers should be luke warm on the cooler side and no more than 5-10 minutes. Water will exacerbate the itching. Smother her with aquaphor after. Some allergists/ dermatologists recommend that only "necessary" places get washed: Feet, underarms, genitals, face, hands. The other areas can just get the soapy runoff. This eliminates the soap drying out the skin.

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does aquaphor help. I know in the meantime...baths and showers should be luke warm on the cooler side and no more than 5-10 minutes. Water will exacerbate the itching. Smother her with aquaphor after. Some allergists/ dermatologists recommend that only "necessary" places get washed: Feet, underarms, genitals, face, hands. The other areas can just get the soapy runoff. This eliminates the soap drying out the skin.
We tried this and she screamed and cried saying it burned her and her eczema looked livid. I really don't get why that is but it has happened with a lot of lotions and oils we have tried.

I do have good news on the eczema front! My mother (who is a UAV) had been watching the girls (we had no choice with all my pregnancy illness) while DH worked and that's when Mable's eczema got really bad. But since I have been able to keep them during the day and feed them myself her eczema is doing really really well! It's really cleared up and she has had more energy. I am betting you my mom was feeding her milk and giving her a whole bunch of processed crap that had soy and dairy in it I don't know why I trusted her and believed she listened to us when we said Mable absolutly must not have that stuff.

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