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mbravebird's Avatar mbravebird 12:11 PM 07-14-2010
Bump.

I need stories like this. We are being diligent with the cell salts, green tea/xylitol rinses, salt water rinses, increased butter oil, increased liver, with occasional CLO/BO combo (fish oil is contraindicated for my ds).

We also occasionally brush with pascalite and rinse with pascalite.

chasmyn's Avatar chasmyn 07:21 PM 07-14-2010
We found that doing a GAPS/Paleo approach has been effective. Means eliminating all grains, all refined foods, anything processed, and keeping fruit to a minimal amount, like 1 serving/day maximum. Also the supplementing with CLO/high vitamin butter oil, fish oil and BioKult probiotic, as well as taking daily detox baths (part of GAPS protocol). Oh, and lots of good fats, protein, veggies, and fermented foods.

And my DS has SEVERE decay, in almost every tooth. Enamel crumbled off from the time we started solid foods. We didn't even eat sugar at the time, diet was all organic, mostly Weston A. Price - but we did love that bread and he was a carb addict.

He has had one filling through all of it and his decay seems to be halted, as well as his bones getting much stringer/him gaining good weight. His moods have changed, he is not so much of a picky eater, and his confidence has improved drastically. I notice a difference almost immediately if we let too much fruit creep in (summer), and all we need to do is cut back on the fruit and get more bone broths and good fats in and it goes back to being better again. So we just keep it to that minimum - my hope and intention is that when he gets his adult teeth, they grow in healthy and strong. He's almost 5, so not too much longer before that begins, I hope.
JaneS's Avatar JaneS 03:34 PM 07-16-2010
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BUT this month we have taken her back off the gluten because she has more signs of gluten intolerance. Because of this she also doesnt do well with lactose- SO do you think putting her on raw milk would be the greatest idea? almost a catch 22.

Does anyone of have any ideas of how i can get her to eat more veggies, less fruit and importantly the liver and other proteins??

From speaking to Rami and my own intense research, I think its apparant that my daughter has malabsorption or vitamin deficienies. I hoping if i find a good digestive enzyme, continue with healing aloe vera drink, that her intestines will heal and the mineral supplements will work better. I feel like a terrible person, if i would have researched this 5 months ago i would have been able to stop the cavities from even starting a hole. i wouldnt have fallen for what the dentists have been saying to me and my daughters overall health would be better.
here's to hoping i can stop the damage.
My guess would be the gluten damage is the cause of the poor nutrient absorption in your DD. It could be other foods too.

For fruits, I think smoothies are the easiest for kids to accept. I would do pastured egg yolks and shellfish and fish eggs instead of liver for kids.

Yes raw milk is tolerated by the lactose intolerant, I've known many many people in my raw milk circle that this has shown to be true. I also couldn't tolerate lactose when I first started my digestive healing journey and raw milk was just fine. This is probably because the intestinal villi are "mown down" by allergies to gluten or other foods... the lactase enzyme is produced at the tip of the villi. Often it will return when the cause of the intestinal inflammation is found (common in celiacs when they stop gluten for example, they can then tolerate dairy).

Aged cheese - over 60 days - is also lactose free. The allowed dairy products at www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info are all lactose free.

For digestive enzymes we have used Enzymedica and Houston's. There has also some recent discussion of the power of pancreas extracts on the Allergies forum, check Mamafish's posts.

I would do probiotics, CLO and bone broths instead of aloe for intestinal healing.

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Another question, if thats ok. I am a vegetarian, and i dont believe in consuming animal products, plus it tastes and smells horrifying...for me anyways. but according to the diet i need to throw my vegetarian lifestyle out the window- what do you think is the right thing to do? any other vegetarians out there who are going through the same thing?
this diet almost sounds like an anti-candida diet eh, i bet it'll get rid of any nasty candida hanging about.
I think you need to mull this over a bit. Meat is not essential to a high nutrient diet that Rami and the WAPF subscribe to. But other animal products are because they are simply more nutrient dense.

I used to be vegan/vegetarian. I think that it led to my health problems because of the reduced nutrients. (And I was a healthy v*gan, not eating junk food.) And especially since I was consuming GMO soy and the recent studies showing connection to development of food allergies and gut flora imbalance.

Candida could be a symptom and not a cause... a symptom of food allergy/intolerance and intestinal inflammation.

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...in the prairies of canada?
Definately check vitamin D levels and see The Vitamin D Council website for advice. (Just don't listen to them on vitamin A.)

Rami Nagel on Xylitol:
http://www.curetoothdecay.com/Tooth_...ooth_decay.htm
JaneS's Avatar JaneS 03:37 PM 07-16-2010
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taking daily detox baths (part of GAPS protocol).


What kind? epsom salts?
joliebebe's Avatar joliebebe 07:02 AM 07-29-2010
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melots mom-
from my experience, having been raised vegan until about age 4-5, not eating animal foods is bad for your teeth, generally im sure there are vegetarians who have nice teeth but i was not one of them, nor were my parents who were also veg at the time they concieved and raised me.

go with the animal foods, at least for your child, it is so worth having healthy teeth..
Had to pipe up here :-)

I think it can be done without meat/fish but definitely the raw milk, butter and high vit butter oil/ghee are a must.

FWIW my parents were lacto vegetarians for 10 odd years before conceiving us, we have never had meat/eggs/fish, and my 3 siblings and I have 2 fillings between us! Our teeth are straight and relatively strong. We had raw milk while growing up and heaps of green veges with grass-fed butter :-) I have 2 kids now with good teeth and so signs of decay.
junipervt's Avatar junipervt 08:10 PM 08-07-2010
we stopped the decay on DD 4 top front teeth. Last time we were at the dentist he said that all of the surfaces were now hard & he no longer recommended getting the them fixed.
Here's what we did/do

-night weaned (then I got preg & lost milk anyway)
-1st thing in am & last at night brushing w/ floride toothpaste (just a smear on brush)
-floride painted on teeth by dentist every 3m
-xylatol paste brushing after (almost) every time she eats
-only drinking water (tiny bit of oj in am & a little milk after dinner)
-cut down carbs
-MI paste at night right before she goes to sleep
mombh's Avatar mombh 01:32 PM 08-08-2010
I just accidentaly erased my whole ramble....
anyway it looks like ds (20 months) has two molars with discoloring even though we have been doing zylitol from the minute his first teeth erupted! We are gluten free, eat bone broth, cheese, butter, he has no juice or sugar etc;
I haven't taken him to the dentist yet and am dreading it after my last 2 kids had eec.
I would like to try healozone, how do I find one in my area? We are in South FLorida, I 'll travel an hour in any direction for this if needed. Is this something covered by ins? is it expensive?
marsipan's Avatar marsipan 03:57 PM 08-08-2010
does anyone know where to buy Xylitol products in canada, specifically around toronto? i checked how much it would be to order it from https://www.xlear.com but shipping is just insanely expensive!
Juvysen's Avatar Juvysen 04:30 PM 08-08-2010

WCM's Avatar WCM 02:20 PM 08-20-2010
oh my, am I glad I was surfing in Dental! You are describing my daughter. She lives on fruit and plain tortillas, yogurt and milk (not raw). She has the worst teeth of all of us, and she shuns most proteins (fish, steak, cheese).

I've got the homeo salts, CLO. I would love to buy xylitol gum first, to try it out.

Like PP, though, my daughter loves the things that are harmful for her teeth (fruit, rice and flour). How to switch her?? Or must I tell her the fruits are harming her teeth? (She'd be happy it meant she got gum instead!)
WCM's Avatar WCM 03:03 PM 08-20-2010
What about ZAPP gum and xylitol products?

http://www.zappgum.com/buy_now.php

They ship to Canada, yay.

Do any of you use bulk xylitol in food/baking, instead of sugar? Or is it mainly to get it ON your teeth, in your mouth?
crunchyintexas's Avatar crunchyintexas 09:42 AM 08-21-2010
You all have GOT to read the book Kiss Your Dentist Goodbye. Don't worry--the author is a dentist!

I know I was all onto Cure Tooth Decay when I first posted to this thread, but I've come to realize that VERY few people--including me--can or will bother with such a strict diet protocol. (Besides, when this thread first started, the previous bk hadn't been published. )

On the other hand, Dr. Phillips, author of Kiss Your Dentist Goodbye, offers a simple daily routine that ANYBODY can do, and that she practically guarantees will heal tooth decay and gum disease.
SaoirseC's Avatar SaoirseC 07:38 PM 08-30-2010
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Now dogs should not get Xylitol, especially Toy breeds, it can be toxic to them; and possibly cats, I'm not sure about that. But there are lots of other human food stuff that is also toxic to animals.
Xylitol is an alcohol sugar. maybe someone here is a little more knowledgeable than I am about chemistry, but essentially it means that your body does not digest it as a sugar. however, dogs will digest it as a sugar and it will cause them to essentially have really high blood sugar levels and then go into a diabetic crash. Not good. But it's totally safe for humans because our bodies digest it differently.

I agree, though, just because something is used widespread (even in daycare centers) does not mean that it's safe. I do trust xylitol.

One more point: if you're concerned about GMOs, be careful where you purchase your xylitol. The vast majority is made from corn; generally it will be labeled if it's from birch as this is a selling point (and makes it a little more expensive).

Has anyone tried Spiffies?
http://www.teething-teeth.com/XylitolBabyTooth.html
dseran's Avatar dseran 12:24 AM 09-04-2010
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One other thing I forgot to mention that is important to know. I kept going back to our wonderful dentist because I was so sure that her teeth we wearing down to the root. They were getting so short due to a lack of enamel...they would chip. Well, they are very short and no where near the root. So, they look weird to me but are not hurting her.(the other dentist wanted to get he in immediately...surgery at 18 months old...no way!!!) So, once I realized this, I knew I had time to work with all of the things the other posters posted. You have time...don't stress too much.
My son is 16 months old and his dentist says he needs at least 2 crowns under GA within 1 and half months. It is heartbreaking. We are a couple of hours from Madison. I just found out he had cavities a 6 weeks back and went to the dentist immediately. They put fluoride on it and said it must slow it down. But the lateral incisors have been crumbling away so fast and the central incisors have started to decay too. I am just starting to brush with bentonite clay as I don't believe fluoride is effective. It might work... I can change more habits, but just don't have enough time. Could you please tell me more about how you feel about the ozone now? How much did it cost for 1 visit? Do the teeth need crowns one day anyway? (at least in your case) I am not able to night wean yet. I can't wipe his teeth without waking him up and needing to nurse back to sleep. Anyone had success arresting decay with such a situation?
Thanks, Deepa
Tkald's Avatar Tkald 09:39 PM 11-21-2011

I have to apologize for not being on this forum for so long.  I'm sorry for any questions to me that i did not get.

 

My daughter is now 6 years old (18 months when we found decay).  We did go to Dr. Chris Krammer in Middleton, WI about 4-5 times.  We did the whole mouth 1X then specific teeth the rest of the times.  We stopped going about 2 years ago as he kept telling us that there was no more decay occurring.  

 

She has lost all but one of the bad teeth.......whew!  We made it with no crowns, fillings or caps.  

 

The procedures got expensive but it was worth it.  I will do it all over again if I have to with my son.

 

Tori


Mama2CB's Avatar Mama2CB 04:43 PM 01-29-2012

We have been successful :)  If you'd like our story just pm me.


colsxjack's Avatar colsxjack 05:57 PM 02-13-2012


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Originally Posted by marsipan View Post

does anyone know where to buy Xylitol products in canada, specifically around toronto? i checked how much it would be to order it from https://www.xlear.com but shipping is just insanely expensive!


I just bought some of the toothpaste for DD, some for us, some gum for us and the berry "mints" for DD at The Big Carrot on the Danforth in Toronto.

I bought the xlear brands. But they have at least a half dozen brands of xylitol toothpaste and 2 brands of gum there.


Mama4life14's Avatar Mama4life14 06:16 PM 02-13-2012
I am also looking for xylitol mints and other products that are in Canada. I was very dissapointed when I tried to order from Zellies and they don't ship to Canada.

Right now I've just been using some mints from our natural food store, called Spry and Sparx.. But I want the good stuff from Birch!!

Edit: nevermind! Saw the Zappgum.com link! Thanks!

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zaraluna's Avatar zaraluna 02:04 PM 03-23-2012


Hi there? How long did you stay at the first dose before reducing?

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Originally Posted by luv2bamommy2 View Post

We, my mom and I, used homeopathic cell salts for my DSs teeth and bones. These supply the needed minerals to make strong bones and teeth. We still use them though on a maintenance dose. We started out using the 30X, but now use 6X.

Calc Phos - bone health, gives solidity to bones and assists in building strong teeth.

Calc Fluor - assists with improving enamel of teeth and malnutrition of bones.

Mag Phos - quick pain relief with symptoms associated with toothache, teething children & bone development.

Silica - assists in building strong connective tissue to support deficient assimilation.

Bones that are strong and healthy from a young age are more likely to remain strong and healthy throughout our lives. As we all know Calcium is important for strong bones. Calcium is not just essential for strong healthy bones, but also for healthy muscles. Magnesium is also found in our bones and works with Calcium to build strong structures.

The pills are tiny, dissolve instantly in the mouth, and taste ok. Two pills three times daily.

My DSs dentist has remarked about his strong, healthy teeth! This of a little guy with extreme, severe ECC at 18 months.

My mom gets the homeopathics from www.elixirs.com or www.1-800homeopathy.com. She usually buys the 1000 amount. They're cheaper that way.


 


carmen358's Avatar carmen358 05:01 PM 03-24-2012


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Originally Posted by Mama4life14 View Post

I am also looking for xylitol mints and other products that are in Canada. I was very dissapointed when I tried to order from Zellies and they don't ship to Canada.
Right now I've just been using some mints from our natural food store, called Spry and Sparx.. But I want the good stuff from Birch!!
Edit: nevermind! Saw the Zappgum.com link! Thanks!
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Spry products are available in Vancouver - at Choices and Whole Foods. We use the infant tooth gel.

 


naohart's Avatar naohart 02:03 PM 03-27-2012

Should I be using 6x or 30x to help heal a decay issue?  My 14 month old has mild decay on 3 teeth and moderate on 1 but it seems to be progressing quickly.  I bought a brand called Martin and Pleasance which is called 'Kidz minerals strong bones and teeth"  it has Calc Fluor 6x, Calc Phos 6x, Mag Phos 6x and Silica 6x.  I give it to her 4 times a day dissolved in a bit of water.  Should I be upping the dose or using 30 x?

Any other tips?  Dentist wants to fill her teeth or PULL one if it doesn't stop!


momma2dogLouie's Avatar momma2dogLouie 04:20 AM 07-26-2012

Since we started using a Xylitol toothpaste called Squigle Tooth Builder toothpaste, my 7 year old Son hasn't had a cavity for 3 years now.  He had one cavity when he was 4 years old when we were just using plain water to brush with.  And, my 4 year old Daughter has never had a cavity yet (but we haven't used anything but water to brush her teeth so far).  We are going to start her on the Squigle Tooth Builder toothpaste now.  The toothpaste is fluoride-free and has a zero toxin rating.  Here is where we buy it from   http://www.homesteadmarket.com/product/266/xylitol_toothpaste  

 

Also, DON'T EVER USE A SPINNING TOOTHBRUSH because it made my enamel too thin and caused me to get extremely sensitive teeth.  My dentist also said that you can skip the polishing
(the part right after cleaning where they use that spinning brush and use a gritty toothpaste), because he was taught in dental school that polishing is not mandatory, it's just optional. 

 

Skipping the polishing will preserve enamel along with using the Dr. Collins toothbrushes for kids and adults.  Using this softer toothbrush, toothpaste & skipping the dentist polishing has made my sensitive teeth not sensitive anymore, also because the Squigle Tooth Builder toothpaste also plugs up those little tubules holes that lead straight to the nerve, plugging them up with calcite.  So it is good for kids and adults with cavities and enamel problems. 

 

Here is where I get the toothbrushes for kids & adults.  

http://www.amazon.com/Collins-Perio-Toothbrush-Kids-Yellow/dp/B004AJZOQW/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1343297330&sr=8-6&keywords=Dr+Collins+toothbrush

http://www.amazon.com/Dr-Collins-Perio-Toothbrush-colors/dp/B0036ZA40W/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1343297366&sr=8-1&keywords=Dr+Collins+toothbrush

 

Wishing you the best & Good Luck!
 


lotusma 07:06 PM 09-06-2012

Can somebody tell me what MI paste is?


countryangels's Avatar countryangels 07:25 PM 09-12-2012
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Originally Posted by luv2bamommy2 View Post

We, my mom and I, used homeopathic cell salts for my DSs teeth and bones. These supply the needed minerals to make strong bones and teeth. We still use them though on a maintenance dose. We started out using the 30X, but now use 6X.

Calc Phos - bone health, gives solidity to bones and assists in building strong teeth.

Calc Fluor - assists with improving enamel of teeth and malnutrition of bones.

Mag Phos - quick pain relief with symptoms associated with toothache, teething children & bone development.

Silica - assists in building strong connective tissue to support deficient assimilation.

Bones that are strong and healthy from a young age are more likely to remain strong and healthy throughout our lives. As we all know Calcium is important for strong bones. Calcium is not just essential for strong healthy bones, but also for healthy muscles. Magnesium is also found in our bones and works with Calcium to build strong structures.

The pills are tiny, dissolve instantly in the mouth, and taste ok. Two pills three times daily.

My DSs dentist has remarked about his strong, healthy teeth! This of a little guy with extreme, severe ECC at 18 months.

My mom gets the homeopathics from www.elixirs.com or www.1-800homeopathy.com. She usually buys the 1000 amount. They're cheaper that way.

 

Thank you :)


GISDiva's Avatar GISDiva 02:56 PM 09-17-2012
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Originally Posted by lotusma View Post

Can somebody tell me what MI paste is?

 I had to look it up too:

 

http://mi-paste.com/about.php


camille76's Avatar camille76 09:38 AM 10-02-2012

I'm so glad to have found this thread.  I just noticed (and was horrified by it) that my DD's tooth has some decay.  I am willing to try natural remedies.  I think the OP mentioned she found her dentist through the Mothering board.  Is there a list of dentists somewhere on here?  Please help!  Thanks. :)


countryangels's Avatar countryangels 10:35 PM 11-26-2012
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Originally Posted by sisteeesmama View Post

In short:
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It has been trying and difficult at times, but there are definate things you can do that WILL work.

1. Diet. Adding raw milk/rawmilk cheeses, cod liver oil, lots of deep green veg., grassfed meats and pastured eggs and fresh seafood.
2. Xylitol products constantly
3. HealOzone treatment/s
4. Water after everything they eat


That has worked for us exceedingly well, YOU CAN DO THIS!

 

Great tips :) Thanks.


countryangels's Avatar countryangels 10:44 PM 11-26-2012
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Originally Posted by luv2bamommy2 View Post

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Ok so I'm confused:
I read on some posts that xylitol is GOOD for the teeth then others that say it's safety isn't proven and has shown to be toxic????
I am interested in finding someone who says Xylitol's safety hasn't been proven: go tell that to the Finns who have been using for over 40 yrs. Take a look at the following links:


http://www.zellies.com/store.asp?pid=9839

http://www.zellies.com/store.asp?pid=9688&catid=19708

My just turned 4 yr old DS has been using [or we have been using it on him] now for over 2 yrs and his dentist and doctor say Xylitol was the best thing we could have done for him.

If it is toxic, WHY is the US Military giving it to our troops? Do the research yourself.

It does have a laxative effect on some children and adults. But there have not been any deaths or disabilities because of its use. My mom can't take a lot [she's 64], but my DS has eaten almost a whole jar of zellies Cool Fruit with no effect.

Now dogs cannot eat it, because it is toxic to them, especially the Toy breeds. But then there are a lot of other human foods we should not give our dogs either.

As you can see I get irritated by folks downing Xylitol. I think it is great. My DS has not been to the dentist since having his little abscessed tooth extracted. His teeth are doing wonderful and we didn't do ANY of Weston Price's diet. It took about 2.5 yrs to go from extreme severe ECC to cavity-free and he only lost one tooth and had another one filled. AND he is very very healthy!

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countryangels's Avatar countryangels 11:02 PM 11-26-2012
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Originally Posted by luv2bamommy2 View Post

We, my mom and I, used homeopathic cell salts for my DSs teeth and bones. These supply the needed minerals to make strong bones and teeth. We still use them though on a maintenance dose. We started out using the 30X, but now use 6X.

Calc Phos - bone health, gives solidity to bones and assists in building strong teeth.

Calc Fluor - assists with improving enamel of teeth and malnutrition of bones.

Mag Phos - quick pain relief with symptoms associated with toothache, teething children & bone development.

Silica - assists in building strong connective tissue to support deficient assimilation.

Bones that are strong and healthy from a young age are more likely to remain strong and healthy throughout our lives. As we all know Calcium is important for strong bones. Calcium is not just essential for strong healthy bones, but also for healthy muscles. Magnesium is also found in our bones and works with Calcium to build strong structures.

The pills are tiny, dissolve instantly in the mouth, and taste ok. Two pills three times daily.

My DSs dentist has remarked about his strong, healthy teeth! This of a little guy with extreme, severe ECC at 18 months.

My mom gets the homeopathics from www.elixirs.com or www.1-800homeopathy.com. She usually buys the 1000 amount. They're cheaper that way.

Is the CALC FLUOR the same as flouride? What makes them different? Thanks.


countryangels's Avatar countryangels 12:16 AM 11-27-2012
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Originally Posted by luv2bamommy2 View Post

We, my mom and I, used homeopathic cell salts for my DSs teeth and bones. These supply the needed minerals to make strong bones and teeth. We still use them though on a maintenance dose. We started out using the 30X, but now use 6X.

Calc Phos - bone health, gives solidity to bones and assists in building strong teeth.

Calc Fluor - assists with improving enamel of teeth and malnutrition of bones.

Mag Phos - quick pain relief with symptoms associated with toothache, teething children & bone development.

Silica - assists in building strong connective tissue to support deficient assimilation.

Bones that are strong and healthy from a young age are more likely to remain strong and healthy throughout our lives. As we all know Calcium is important for strong bones. Calcium is not just essential for strong healthy bones, but also for healthy muscles. Magnesium is also found in our bones and works with Calcium to build strong structures.

The pills are tiny, dissolve instantly in the mouth, and taste ok. Two pills three times daily.

My DSs dentist has remarked about his strong, healthy teeth! This of a little guy with extreme, severe ECC at 18 months.

My mom gets the homeopathics from www.elixirs.com or www.1-800homeopathy.com. She usually buys the 1000 amount. They're cheaper that way.

 

 

Is Silicea the same as Silica?

 

Also, I have seen most of the salts in 6x, not 30x, it was mentioned that its best to start with 30x. What happens if you start with the 6x?

 

Also, I have seen the Hylands brand in salts as well as the elixir, which one is better?

 

The elixirs has a set of 12 salts, would all of them help as well? Or is it over kill?

Thanks.


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