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Mamas, I'm freaking out. DS's tooth seems to have no enamel, and is chipping away before my eyes.

I noticed white spots on DS's teeth weeks ago. I thought it was dental fluorosis. I asked the ped and the dentist. The dentist thought it was demineralization, beginnings of tooth decay.

DS was exclusively breast fed until I made my own homemade purees for him, then he ate off our plates. The only fluids he's ever had were breastmilk and fluoridated tap water. I brush his teeth with a fluoride free toothpaste.

Today, I noticed that it seemed the whitish areas were actually all that was left of his enamel, and there was less of it. One of his teeth even seemed to have no enamel left, and was chipped and jagged. Less than six hours later, that tooth is shorter. He's been chewing on hard things all night, as if he's teething. He doesn't appear to be in any pain, no fever, etc. but his tooth is getting shorter and shorter.

Any ideas? I called the nurse line, and they said to call a dentist asap. I'll try in the am, but I don't know if his dentist has anyone on call.

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hugs!

I noticed spots on dd's teeth and freaked out. They even turned into holes, but they grew over. Along with super teeth foods, we used cell salts. For some reason, the cell salt silica is popping in my head as I think of your LO, but not at all telling you what to do.
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Can you suggest some super teeth foods? What is cell salt silica?

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Honestly, it probably developed poorly prenatally and there isn't much you can do. My son is missing enamel on his four front teeth, and the dentist said that it's not uncommon. It wasn't anything I did, but it just means that I had a cold or maybe I digested something bad or who knows what the week that they developed.

FWIW, I asked about a sealant, and she said that the sealant is designed to go over enamel and won't stick to his teeth.

Luckily, it just seems to be on those four teeth. The other teeth have come in fine. Our pediatric dentist said that basically the baby teeth are a wash, and that we should do what we can to limit decay but they will anyway. Luckily, there is no reason to believe that his permanent teeth will be damaged.

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My son is missing enamel on his four front teeth, and the dentist said that it's not uncommon.

Luckily, it just seems to be on those four teeth. The other teeth have come in fine. Our pediatric dentist said that basically the baby teeth are a wash, and that we should do what we can to limit decay but they will anyway. Luckily, there is no reason to believe that his permanent teeth will be damaged.
My DS's are his front four, too. I'd even wondered if maybe he'd injured them at some point before they erupted. I've found a couple of other mamas on groups I belong to that have had the same issues with their kids, and though it's probably coincidence, they're all boys, and all 4 front teeth.

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DD's top front four teeth had basically no enamel on the back and all four required significant work last month. She now has caps on all 4 teeth, and the front two required root canals. We were lucky to find a great dentist who was able to do it under GA in a surgery center.
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My 5 yo ds did this with his 4 front teeth. At 8-9mths as they came in I remember him having a virus with swollen gums. 2 mths later, the enamel was coming off like chips of paint. 4 mths after that, they were so broken & jagged - they were pulled. All his other teeth are fine - and he has never been good for getting his teeth brushed. 4 other boys of mine did not have any problems. My 1 dd (age12) had her 4 front pulled at age 3ish I think - her's looked 'molted' - and she & my 5 yo are like so alike in many ways. (They look identical in their pics up til 3-4 yo)
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At least it happened to baby teeth! My daughter had it happen to her 5 year molars, and she had to get crowns. The dentist said that she was probably taking antibiotics at the wrong time and it affected the development of the enamel on those teeth.
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My DS's are his front four, too. I'd even wondered if maybe he'd injured them at some point before they erupted. I've found a couple of other mamas on groups I belong to that have had the same issues with their kids, and though it's probably coincidence, they're all boys, and all 4 front teeth.
Interesting coincidence! That is exactly our situation too. Our dentist said that it was definitely developmental, because the spot is on the upper part of the top two (towards the gums) and the lower part of the lower two (towards the tips), and since that's the order that those teeth develop in usually, the damage happened to all four at the same time.

I wouldn't even have taken him to the dentist, he was so young. But my older daughter was there and I asked her to take a look at him because he had just gotten his first four teeth (in the space of a week! Poor kid. Poor me... not a lot of sleep that week!) and they were all kind of brown. I'm really glad I did, because hopefully we can prevent at least some decay, the pain that goes along with it. Sometimes it's sort of embarrassing that I'm now "no juice! no sugar!" helicopter mom (I am generally an "everything in moderation" mom for that type of thing), but I've had cavities before, and it hurts a lot. Must be awful for little kids!

I realize in this thread that I'm not really offering you any helpful advice, because I don't have any. I just wanted to say that we're in the exact same boat. I think it's more common than people realize, because since we had it happen I've had a ton of people say "Oh yah, my child's baby teeth were like that too." It now makes me angry that everyone assumes if you have a cavity it must be your fault, and if your child has a cavity it is obviously because you are a terrible neglectful mother. It's not like we have any control over how their enamel develops!

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Can you suggest some super teeth foods? What is cell salt silica?
Check out the Curing Cavities with Nutrition sticky.

Here is the thread all about cell salts. These made a huge difference for healing my dd's cavities.
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I too thought it sounded like fluorosis because of the tap water. I only drink non fluoridated water because of this.

I really like broths, nettles, grass fed butter or butter oil. enough vit a and d and C. Many people prefer fermented cod liver oil for the proper ratio of A to D. Lots of greens too.
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DD had it happen and we have no fluoride in our water at all.
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My dd2 had this. Her teeth just started falling apart. We could see the inside pulp. It was horrible. She ended up on lortab for pain before she had dental surgery. She had 6 root canals 2 weeks before her second birthday. We saw 4 pediatric dentists. They were pretty evenly split on whether or not breastfeeding contributed. Not caused, that was mostly genetics, but she was a night nurser, like used me for a pacifier for hours. The only one and she still needs twice as much dental work as the others combined. She had root canals in two back molars and her four front teeth. She is now missing two of her front teeth. She will be 5 in a few days. I learned that root canals weaken them and make them more likely to fall out. She knocked one out a month after her surgery and one she pulled out about 9 months ago. Just sitting on the couch watching tv with her dad and she handed it to him. Weird.

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My dd2 had this. Her teeth just started falling apart. We could see the inside pulp. It was horrible. She ended up on lortab for pain before she had dental surgery. She had 6 root canals 2 weeks before her second birthday. We saw 4 pediatric dentists. They were pretty evenly split on whether or not breastfeeding contributed. Not caused, that was mostly genetics, but she was a night nurser, like used me for a pacifier for hours. The only one and she still needs twice as much dental work as the others combined. She had root canals in two back molars and her four front teeth. She is now missing two of her front teeth. She will be 5 in a few days. I learned that root canals weaken them and make them more likely to fall out. She knocked one out a month after her surgery and one she pulled out about 9 months ago. Just sitting on the couch watching tv with her dad and she handed it to him. Weird.
This may seem dumb, but how did you know she was in pain? My 19 month old has problems with her teeth and I don't think she is in pain, but I don't want to miss it if she is.

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This may seem dumb, but how did you know she was in pain? My 19 month old has problems with her teeth and I don't think she is in pain, but I don't want to miss it if she is.

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Is it a good sign that she still loves cold foods?
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Sorry, I forgot you had asked that question. Things have been a bit crazy around here.

Well, her teeth were literally falling apart, so it wasn't that hard to figure out why she was crying all the time. She still ate a lot of things, but she mostly chewed on the side of her mouth. She would scream and hold her hand to her mouth. It was just really obvious what was causing her pain.

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i'm sorry it was so bad for her, but glad it was so obvious.
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This is happening to my 16 month old DD. We had to wait a week for a dentist appointment and she lost 2 teeth during the wait. They just dissolved all the way up to the hums. At first look, they said bottle rot, but she only breastfeeds. Then they said fluorosis, but our water doesn´t have fluoride. Now we don`t know, but I`m afraid she`s gonna keep loosing more and we are way passed the point of diet to help with remineralization (there`s no tooth to remineralize). And even worse, I`m afraid it will affect her roots and her adult teeth. We will see other specialists on Thursday. They were talking about putting her under general anaesthesia for treatment.....that just terrifies me. Sorry OP, no advice, but wanted to share we are going through the same thing. I will read this thread for advice.
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I think that if you take the steps to improve teeth through nutrition, though the baby teeth won't grow back, a hard covering will grow over what's left, and the adult teeth will be in good shape.

My dentist is shocked, has no idea what the problem is, and says there's nothing that can be done until 2 yrs when they can do gen anesthesia. She doesn't even know what they'll do then, it depends on what the teeth look like then. She wants to see him once a month until then. But, I think I'm going to find a new dentist, as this one has a no-parents policy I'm not OK with.

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LDSMomma, do you know of a short sticky somewhere with the diet for better teeth? I was going through pages and pages of the one sticky on the dental subforum....but everything looks vague. The cell salts and Xfactor/cod liver oil/butter oil I can`t get where I am. My DD and I will be in Spain until august 17th, and I checked out all the websites for cell salts and oils...the few sites that ship to Spain charge over $45+ just for shipping which I can`t afford. Then people say we need to remineralize, but then they say that mineral supplements are bad (synthetic ones)......which begs the question, where do you get "natural" minerals from other than dark leafy greens? My DD has been getting green smoothies made from scratch since she started eating solids. I`m at a loss. I want to cry when I look at her teeth.
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I know how you feel! There's a book called Cure Tooth Decay, by Ramiel Nagel or something like that. He has a website which outlines the diet. The only website I know of to get high quality fermented cod liver oil is green pastures, but I have no idea of their shipping overseas. Butter oil is really expensive, but Nagel says you can just eat several tbsps at each meal instead, so that's what we do. We buy high quality butter from pastured cows, though.

Anyway, the diet includes the following, but I don't know the exact amounts off hand: bone broth, cod liver oil, raw milk, butter oil, eliminate processed foods, eliminate sugar, even natural sugar from fruit, etc. And if you're nursing, both mama & baby need to do this.

From what I've learned from this thread and a local group I belong to, this is somewhat common in extended nursers, perhaps because of mama's diet. But, as one of my friends pointed out, it must always get resolved by the time permanent teeth erupt, because no one has this issue with their adult teeth. My friend pointed out that some dentists just figure baby teeth will fall out, so they don't get too worried about them, but if this isn't happening to permanent teeth, no one gets too upset.

In a local group, a mama told me four of her children had this, but once she came across the cure tooth decay options, and changed her diet, including her sugar addiction, her fifth child didn't have this problem at all. And, all of her kids' permanent teeth are fine. So, that's my hope.

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My daughter gets very phlemy, so I usually try to limit her dairy intake. And here in Spain, raw milk is illegal to sell. I will try to find good quality butter. Is yogurt any good for this?

I ordered the Nagel book and should get it in a few weeks. I bought quite a bit of organs and bones yesterday and made some soup with it. I have since found out that my daughter doesn`t like chicken livers or chicken hearts......let`s hope the next soup will be more palatable for her. I got her some mineral salts supplements, probiotics, and vegetarian omega 3-6-7-9 oil. I almost got fish oil, but it makes me vomit (in addition to burping it throughout the day), and so I didn`t want to put my daughter through that. We are cutting out gluten and sugars as well. I really hope this helps. And I`m setting up dentist appointments to get a second opinion.

Thanks for all the advice!!
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My ds lost all 4 top teeth due to no enamel when he was 2y2m old. I noticed the chipping away starting within 3 months of them erupting from the gum. The rest of his teeth have had issues as well and we just finished major dental work with in office sedation this past February.

I took the wait and see approach for his teeth so that we could do in office sedation rather than risk GA.

 
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My daughter gets very phlemy, so I usually try to limit her dairy intake. And here in Spain, raw milk is illegal to sell. I will try to find good quality butter. Is yogurt any good for this?

I ordered the Nagel book and should get it in a few weeks. I bought quite a bit of organs and bones yesterday and made some soup with it. I have since found out that my daughter doesn`t like chicken livers or chicken hearts......let`s hope the next soup will be more palatable for her. I got her some mineral salts supplements, probiotics, and vegetarian omega 3-6-7-9 oil. I almost got fish oil, but it makes me vomit (in addition to burping it throughout the day), and so I didn`t want to put my daughter through that. We are cutting out gluten and sugars as well. I really hope this helps. And I`m setting up dentist appointments to get a second opinion.

Thanks for all the advice!!
Raw milk illegal in Spain, really? It's okay in other European countries. Weird, I thought the U.S. was the only ridiculous legal population.

Yes, the butter oil and cod liver oil are just concentrated food forms of nutrients you can get other ways, you don't need those specific ones. You can use lots of pastured butter/cream and egg yolks. Seafood as well esp. shellfish, Spain is wonderful for this. See if you can get her to eat some fish roe which is just as high as butter oil and CLO in K2 and vitamins A/D.

The vegetarian 3-6-9 is not helpful b/c it doesn't contain A/D vits, the fat soluble vitamins are the key. And as previous poster said reducing sugar, increasing minerals and healthy animal fats in diet. Aged cheese is also good, if from pastured animals which Spanish animals should be! fermented is higher in K2.

I have heard of these sort of teeth issues being connected to celiac disease but I imagine any food allergy that causes intestinal inflammation (and resulting improper absorption of nutrients) may be the cause?

Also vitamin D deficiency.
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At least it happened to baby teeth! My daughter had it happen to her 5 year molars, and she had to get crowns. The dentist said that she was probably taking antibiotics at the wrong time and it affected the development of the enamel on those teeth.

Are all antibiotics bad ? I didnt realize they damaged the teeth - can anyone give any links or sources where I can read more?

Im also a little skeptical of this dentist comments because normally you take antibiotics for 7 to 10 days. Does the enamel really develop in this short of a time frame? (and this was in reference to adult molars, still developing under the gum Im assuming) Hard to believe it all happens in just a week and that it can be messed up with a round of antibiotics, but then what do I know, thats why Im asking

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Thank you for this thread!

My almost 3 year old is experiencing this as well. Two of his molars are halfway to the gum and one of his front teeth is chipping away before my very eyes. It's frightening. I brought him to the dentist last week and they said he just has bad enamel and there's nothing I can do about it. Luckily, I know better. He's scheduled for stainless steel crowns for the molars, but I had to schedule him with the only pediatric dentist in our network and his appointment is 10 months from now.

We already eat a fairly traditional diet, but I need to make sure he's actually taking in the bone broth, butter oil etc himself and not relying so much on breast milk.

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Are all antibiotics bad ? I didnt realize they damaged the teeth - can anyone give any links or sources where I can read more?

Im also a little skeptical of this dentist comments because normally you take antibiotics for 7 to 10 days. Does the enamel really develop in this short of a time frame? (and this was in reference to adult molars, still developing under the gum Im assuming) Hard to believe it all happens in just a week and that it can be messed up with a round of antibiotics, but then what do I know, thats why Im asking
The use of certain antibiotics can lead to fluorosis, which is an enamel issue. I'm skeptical that antibiotic use during childhood could lead to fluorosis, but I know it can lead to fluorosis when taken during gestation or early infancy. I just read that nystatin can also do this, which might explain why both of my older children had enamel issues.
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This can be caused by Celiac disease

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It could be caused by Celiac disease (gluten intolerance)

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