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I'm hoping some of you can help me. I have just been to the dentist after not going for about 11 years :. I need to have 12 fillings (6 will be removals and replacements of old amalgam fillings). All the new ones will be resin. Anyway, there are no holistic dentists near me and I've called every dentist listed in our insurance plan and they all treat me like I'm crazy when I ask about their filling removal process (rubber dams, proper ventilation, alternate air source ect..). Needless to say I haven't found a conventional dentist who seems to utilize any of these precautions, except maybe the rubber dam. I've been doing some research on a detox program for before and after and will be using Gluthiathone, chlorella and a metal detoxification product called Life Glow Plus two weeks prior and for 60 days afterwards along with Charcoal tablets just before and after the extractions. I also found some great natural detox suggestions regarding lifestyle and diet (sweating, high fiber/sulfur foods). Anyway, my husband and I are anxious to concieve our second child and I'm wondering if 3 or 4 months (I planned on giving myself an extra month after detox to settle things down) is enough time after removal for the mercury to leave my body before trying to concieve. I read one article on the net that suggested 6 months, but that was on a major anti-amalgam website and they seemed really overzealous about everything. So, has anyone heard of any guidelines regarding this? If it was up to my dentist he'd have me TTC right after leaving his office . I'm excited to have them removed though. I haven't really had many health problems I think are related to them but I have been suffering from minor things (adult acne, fatigue) along with autoimmune hypothyroidism since around the time the fillings were put in, so who knows, maybe I'll see an improvement. For right now though I'm just hoping to get through this as mercury free as possible. Thanks in advance for your help!!

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I've just started removal while bf'ing with my dentist using the IAOMT protocol, so I just did a ton of related research.

I haven't seen much specifically about removal and TTC. I'll post some links to research studies below showing rates of mercury decline after removal. It's hard to measure (urine or hair or just blood is not necessarily accurate by themselves, plasma is more so) since there is what is active and what is stored in your body and then released as well.

Standard removal of mercury fillings without protection releases a lot into your system, from what I have read, I feel I would wait to wait a year even with chelation/nutrition therapy.

Have you checked these sites for a dentist using the IAOMT protocol?
http://www.iaomt.org//findmember.cfm
http://www.toxicteeth.org/
http://www.talkinternational.com/hea...ntists_usa.htm
http://www.biologicaldentistry.org/

I haven't found a website but maybe you could call them
Environmental Dental Association, 9974 Scripps Ranch Blvd., Suite #36, San Diego, CA, 92131; 619-586-1208; fax:619-693-0724; educational, research, referral and other resources for non-toxic dentistry.


Interesting site with detox guidelines I just found
http://www.mercury-free.com/7.htm
I wonder if the book would be helpful

This site says one year, don't know where they are getting that from:
http://www.amalgam.org/
Prepared by DAMS Inc. along with Consumers for Dental Choice, a project of the National Institute for Science, Law and Public Policy. Dedicated to disseminating information about the risks of dental amalgam.

Must read article about effects of mercury fillings and pregnancy
http://www.iaomt.org//documents/The%...%20Amalgam.pdf


Research studies:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q..._uids=10424384

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...t_uids=9169079

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...t_uids=9823089

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...t_uids=8914687

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q..._uids=11032131

http://jdr.iadrjournals.org/cgi/reprint/68/5/780



using IAOMT protection protocol for removal shows no jump in mercury levels after removal
http://www.algonet.se/~leif/yfMOL95a.html
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Thanks so much for your response! I read through all the research studies you posted and they all seem to point to 100 days maximum being the most before Hg levels are signifigantly below what they were post removal (100 days if no rubber dam was used, as little as 30 to 60 if a rubber dam was used). I also spoke with a mercury free dentist who gave a time period 3 months to wait before TTC. I've also read some iteresting research (from an anti amalgam dentist) explaining that the rise in mercury post removal is also partly due to the body re-distrubuting the mercury stored within after the main source of mercury is removed.

http://www.mgoldmandds.com/isremovdanger.htm

Using some detox methods during that window of time will hopefully help the mercury circulating in the blood be excreted as opposed to reabsorbed into other tissues of the body.

Unfortunately there really are no mercury free dentists (at least not covered on our insurance) in the area. The dentist I've settled with does however use the high power vacuum just next to the tooth along with the water spray (all dentists do at least that most) and at my request will be using the rubber dam. The only thing missing will be the alternate air source.

Thanks again!

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Hello

Have you started removal?

I've been reading more about how the rubber dam is only for particles... mercury vapor easily passes through it, so it doesn't cut down very much on the exposure.
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Haven't started yet, the first ones will come out in a week and a half, thanks for asking though!

Regarding the rubber dam, the research you posted pointed quite clearly to the post removal mercury levels(plasma) raising signifigantly less in those who used the rubber dam than in those who don't. If you have any new research you could give though, I'd really appreciate it though (I've been busy and my online research time has been cut to almost nil ).

Did you get a chance to read the article I posted? I thought his theory on some of the post removal rise in mercury being attributed to the redistribution of the mercury stored in the body due to the removal of the main source (the amalgams) made a lot of sense. The levels rising after removal may have less to due with exposure during removal and actually are a good sign that the mercury stored in the tissues of the body is being drawn out into the blood during a the natural redistribution process. The rising of the levels in the blood actually indicates that your body is doing it's natural job of detoxing the stored up mercury and presents a unique window of time perfect for binding up and removing the mercury circulating through your system before it re-settles back into your tissues. While the levels rise temporarily, your body will end up with less mercury than before, which is a very good thing ! I remember you were having your fillings removed while breastfeeding, and even though all IAOMT protocols were followed, a rise may occur due to this natural redistribution process. It may be worthwhile getting your blood levels checked, just to be on the safe side, KWIM?

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No hard research online re: rubber dams, but Sam Ziff's books explain.

Yes, you made a very good point about redistribution. When I had 2 fillings removed we cut down bf'ing from 5x to 1-2x/day to minimize this. Also vitamin C, sulfur rich foods, psyllium and chlorella.

It wasn't to hard on DS although DH and I are doing a lot of (figuratively) standing on our heads I wish I could wean now with how much I know about mercury transfer but that would be very psychologically damaging to DS to go faster/cold turkey. It's a very very difficult thing for me right now.
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It sounds like you've done your research and have made the right decision! By the way, I took a peek at the pic in your signature and your son is absolutely beautiful!

It absolutlely amazes me the position (a little bit ignorant if you ask me) that dental professionals take regarding mercury. Logic and common sense should tell you that it's not safe to put a toxic substance in your mouth (let alone permanently embed it there). I understand the chemistry behind their logic, but you'd think they'd at least understand that drilling away at the mercury could pose a potential risk. I think there are two groups of people in the dental profession. There are the ones that know the research and the facts and just refuse to accept it, and there are those who are told by other people that mercury is completely safe and poses no risk to you or family but don't really know the facts to back it up. The dentist I settled with is a woman dentist and seemed to understand where I was coming from (if she didn't at least she humored me and waited until I left the room to roll her eyes). As I was checking out at my last visit, the girl at the desk and I were discussing clothing (she noticed dh is a manager of a popular retail store) and she mentioned she was pregnant. She was such a sweet girl I just wanted to tell her to be careful for her safety and her baby, but of course I couldn't. I left feeling guilty, but also feeling blessed to have had the forethought to research this whole thing before plowing ahead.

Like you, I just want to keep my children (and future children) safe. There's a lot of research out there and some can be over-zealous and scary. Thanks again for taking the time to post the research you did, it was really nice to read some studies using scientific research methods to help me with my decision.

Thanks again, best wishes to you and your family!
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Thank you too Jenn, what a great mama you are going to be!!!

I think I'm gradually seeing this type of attitude in every "professional", it really makes our job as Mamas more difficult now that the blinders have been removed, ykwim? We have to trust our gut feeling more than anything. I'll never again give the safety of my family over to anyone else!

It's also hard to know when to speak out. On the one hand, everyone has to make their own journey of discovery because otherwise, they don't really learn and take the truth to heart ... and on the other hand, I certainly wouldn't know half as much as I know now if it weren't for some pretty forthright and courageous people.
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