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Old 08-27-2006, 11:38 PM
 
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There was something 'up' w/DS (21m) teeth. A lot of tartar on the gum line and they just didn't look right to me. He hasn't been to a dentist yet.

Anywho, he's been getting 1/2t high vit CLO and he looks so.much.better. His teeth look healthier as do his gums. And we've only been doing the high vit stuff for a couple of months.

I know this isn't a scientific report, just a mom gut report, but I'm very pleased w/the results
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Another mother battling caries in a 17 month old joining in here . Thanks for all the invaluable information. I now need to investigate any possible source of raw milk and butter oil in Amsterdam, Netherlands. It may be a challenge!

I will also spend some time examining the 2 links provided regarding levels of pollution and the effect on fish oils. But until I get there can anyone relieve my worries about taking CLO, at least from certain geographical sources? From what I read in this thread, there is no way around it. Even if you use Omega 3 from a non-fish source, you will need to supplement with Vit A & D which can really only be found naturally in fish oil. Do I have this right?
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Yes cod liver oil is the most concentrated source of natural A and D. Of course grass fed dairy, liver, lard, seafoods and pastured eggs are other sources. But the CLO packs such a huge amount. There are reputable brands that do testing on their source. Maybe the WAPF chapter leaders in Germany or Finland would be able to give you some leads in your neck of the woods.

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We're getting raw goat milk, which is usually much more expensive than raw cow milk, for $6/gallon. My friends are getting raw cow for $4/gallon IIRC. We live in VT though and are surrounded by farms. What is your area like? Probably cheaper to just house & feed a cow at that price.
$8/gallon for goat's plus $50 for season membership at a local organic farm here in MA.

$4.50/gallon for cow, plus $5 delivery fee (but that includes all types of dairy, cheese, and meats I can get with one delivery) from my beloved Amish farms in PA.
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Ok, I have been following this thread for months. Jane, do you have a Cliff Notes version of the most important dos and don'ts to dental health?

Maybe with doses and sources? : Could we pay you for this knowledge?!?!? Pretty please.

No pressure; or are you writing a book? Maybe you could write up a booklet that you send out to people for a fee. Seriously. Make your passion a (paying) career.




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No pressure; or are you writing a book? Maybe you could write up a booklet that you send out to people for a fee. Seriously. Make your passion a (paying) career.
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: Really Jane you should consider it. Even though you and I have walked down much of the same path together from SCD, NT, chelation, and such I just have a general knowledge. You have all these minute crazy detailed factoids and all the ways they interrelate committed to knowledge. Listen to GF and at least do a pamphlet - WAP foundation might even be interested since they're so pamphlet crazy:.

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not til I'm a crone at this rate though! Really most of what I know are in a few select books... and here at MDC.
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not til I'm a crone at this rate though! Really most of what I know are in a few select books... and here at MDC.

I don't want to take no for an answer. How about a short version of the Cliff's Notes?: Or a Top Ten Curing Cavities with Nutrition? Or a short bibliography reference list? Or I'll think of some other creative ways to beg, plead and borrow your brain.




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jane, i concur...you really are a pleasure to read. It would be beneficial to a great number of us, even those who don't chime in. April
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Even though you and I have walked down much of the same path together from SCD, NT, chelation, and such I just have a general knowledge.
What is SCD?
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SCD= Specific Carbohydrate Diet

www.pecanbread.com is a good place to start reading about it.
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Hi all, it's taken me a few days of off and on reading, but I finally finished the entire thread,hooray!

My older ds has had two cavities (filled). I am terrified for my little ds, though his diet has been 10X better than my older ds's was by this age (little ds will ask for broccoli for breakfast..) I am still afraid for him.

Me, well, this dental phobe has $12K worth of dental work coming up, starting with 4 root canals next Thursday while under general anesthesia (the ONLY way I'll get them done, I'm that afraid). Then in October I have the rest of the dental work being done under general again (4 wisdoms out, numerous fillings, and more I don't even know).

I am SERIOUS about changing the way we eat to better our health, teeth wise and body wise (which, yeah, I realize are one in the same pretty much).

We have been vegetarian off and on, then we got off dairy completely, then added dairy back in, organic only, we've been on and off meat (organic only, chicken & beef only). My head is swimming with all the options and advice. I need to do what will make us healthy, make our teeth healthy. Because I will NOT have my children go through even an ounce of what I went through as a child, and now as an adult, with tooth hell. There has got to be changes. So, just saying hi, and I'm greatful for this thread and hope I can incoroprate this into our life. I HAVE to.

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I don't want to take no for an answer. How about a short version of the Cliff's Notes?: Or a Top Ten Curing Cavities with Nutrition? Or a short bibliography reference list? Or I'll think of some other creative ways to beg, plead and borrow your brain.
I just can't do it. I would have to reread this thread as well as think about what other refs I've gone thru. I've got about 6 books waiting to be read... one of them fun, the rest health related, including a very interesting history of allergies.

It's all here and in Nourishing Traditions and Nutrition and Physical Degeneration. Read those 2 books and you will benefit much, much more than a list from me.
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Me, well, this dental phobe has $12K worth of dental work coming up, starting with 4 root canals next Thursday while under general anesthesia (the ONLY way I'll get them done, I'm that afraid). Then in October I have the rest of the dental work being done under general again (4 wisdoms out, numerous fillings, and more I don't even know).
I'm sorry to have to be telling you this right before you jump in.... but root canals always harbor bacteria. It is simply not possible to clean out all the tubules. They lead to many degenerative diseases. See this article regarding George Meinig's book on Weston Price's research.

Root Canal Cover Up
http://www.price-pottenger.org/Articles/Rootcanal.htm
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I'm sorry to have to be telling you this right before you jump in.... but root canals always harbor bacteria. It is simply not possible to clean out all the tubules. They lead to many degenerative diseases. See this article regarding George Meinig's book on Weston Price's research.

Root Canal Cover Up
http://www.price-pottenger.org/Articles/Rootcanal.htm
I emailed one of the holistic dentists that is part of that foundation, just now,, there is one in my city. I think I didn't see one of those sooner because I assumed they wouldn't put me out for procedures. I don't know what to do, I am terrified that doing the root canals is wrong, but I can't keep dragging this out, the wait is horrible. I don't know what else to do. Thank you for the link though, I had read something about that before, but not really paid attention I don't think. I can't imagine calling up the fancy endodontist, where all he does is root canals, and telling him I'm cancelling my all day appointment just a few days before the procedure. But I'm terrified. In every way. I'm going to call them now too.


eta...well I called and they don't do any kind of sedation so it doesn't matter anyways. I'm just sobbing right now.

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Wow...I'm in the same boat as you. I just read this article and I have no idea what to do now.

You see, I am currently home from work because Im in the worst pain I've ever had in my life. I thought I needed a root canal.

I grew up eating somewhat healthy but still the occasional soda, etc...then for a few years developed the nasty habit of being too lazy to brush my teeth at night while still eating sugar, etc.
I only went to the dentist once in my childhood...at age 8...and not again because my Father was self-employed and we couldn't affoard it.

A couple of years ago at age 23 I spent a few months in Poland...and the American I was staying with who have lived there for 20 years referred me to their dentist who they said was better than any they had been to in America and I only paid $30 a filling! I ended up getting 9 fillings and one wisdom tooth extracted because my teeth were were so bad.

A few months later I experienced the same pain I am having now. I went to a dentist and he said one of the fillings went nearly to the root...so I would need a root canal one day. I put it off because of having no dental insurance and fear.

Now it flared up again 2 years later- this time even worse. I try to subscribe to natural health care as much as possible...I haven't been to a doctor in 10 years and Im on anti-biotics for the first time since childhood for the infected root because I'm the most desperate I've been in my entire life.

Now I have an appointment tuesday for a consult for a root canal. I want to go the natural way, but I also can't live with this pain and can't keep missing work because of it.

I have began the path to NT the past couple months and am pretty true to it and loving it but do falter occasionally...like when we had chocolate cake for my Mom's bday the other day.

I guess I feel it's hard to go the natural route at this point in time because I have had so many years of damage done to my teeth. Also, unless I'm going to be radical and never touch sugar again and take CLO and high vitamin butter oil daily, do I have any hope of going the natural route?

I guess I might go through with it and then just eat the best diet possible to maintain a strong immune system?

Oh so much to think about. This has been most informative for me.

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Subbing to this great thread.

Has anyone read the Root Canal Coverup? I assume the alternative to root canals is extraction, is that the only option? I have had three of them that I would think I would have to have extracted once I am no longer bf'ing, along with having all my mercury fillings replaced.

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nicolelynn, I have already cut out soda, and candy and ice cream (yes, I was BAD with those, especially at night when the kids were in bed, dh at work, and I was alone to eat bad food,lol). It's tough, but if someone told me to eat squid and I wouldn't have cavities or dental problems, I'd do it (and I HATE seafood,lol). I will do whatever it takes.

When I called the holistic dentist, I asked what they do differently than a conventional root canal and the gal didn't really say. All I can assume from what I've read, is that they have different methods for killing the bacteria during the root canal, to ensure it can't get into the tubules or whatever they're called. They still do root canals. If it's not as bad, they are more conservative about doing just fillings. The one I called is www.drdefelice.com

I thought about extraction for my one tooth that has almost completely broken away(the part outside the gum). But the wisdom next to it's being removed so I guess my mouth will have more space and the crown should be fine there.

I am trying to build up my immune system as much as possible and will continue to have that as a goal. I think that's the only thing that is making me feel better about this is the fact that I can hopefully keep myself healthy. I'm still scared, but I have to get this done, and then I can start healing. I'm so incredibly greatful for all of you! This is an awesome thread.

So I've got powdered sodium ascorbate that I'm putting in my drinks, and drastically cut down/out sugar, drinking more water, have the Nordic Naturals Omega 3 I believe it is (I know not the best, but I already had a bottle). And B-100 complex, and I'm also taking a prenatal since I'm still nursing my 3 y.o.

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small good news for me, I will only be under deep sedation, not general, so no breathing tube. I spoke to the anesthesiologist on the phone tonight for about 30minutes, it was great.

My strength and resolve in better nutrition are finally really kicking in. I'm saying "no" (only to myself,lol) to food that I know in the past would've been my weaknesses. I go to get something, or make the shopping list, and I think "will this heal or hurt us?" Yay!

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Well I'll just update this since I killed the nutrition part of the thread, sorry, maybe another nutrition + teeth should be started,lol. Had 3 root canals today, and 1 filling. All have temporary filling. The experience was amazing, it went so fast, and I've yet to feel any pain. It only took 3 hours and it was deep sedation.

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Hi Lianne, welcome to the thread!
How are you feeling now? Its been a few days since you had your root canal.
On another note, I took Kiki to the dentist. They didn't have much luck looking at her teeth, but they were able to stick the dental pick into one of the holes... it didn't hurt her btw, but Kiki was not a happy camper anyway. They are recommending I go to a specialist nearby.
Seriously though, this is ridiculous. I have friends that don't do half of what I do, and their kids have great teeth. Its soooo frustrating! I was talking to my MIL about this and she mentioned that when my dh was a baby, he had terrible teeth. His teeth are now dentures and he's only 34. His sister on the other hand, has great teeth. The difference? Besides the fact that my dh is First Nations and my SIL is Polish, they had the exact same diet. From the sounds of it, they were feed pretty healthy food too. I'm wondering if nationality does make a difference in teeth formation. But then again, my dh also had a few surgeries when he was a baby, to fix his eyes. I wonder if that contributed? Argh!!! So frustrating

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our dentist told us that whoever holds the baby first passes on the friendly bacteria to the baby...(don't know if that is true or not) but like if aunt mag has great teeth..let aunt mag kiss the baby first so that the baby gets the good bacteria...I dunno...lol

my sis and I are the same way...I have good teeth she has icky teeth. mom has good teeth and dad has icky teeth..
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Hi, actually my name is Heather, an MDC mama I know locally was in a horrible car accident last week and lost 2 of her 3 children in it, Lianne & Finn, so that's why I have that in my signature.

My mouth is a bit sore (not too bad, I'm not taking anything for it, it's more annoying/tender) in the area where I had two root canals right next to eachother. The 2nd week of October I go for deep sedation again, 4 wisdoms to be pulled, a deep cleaning (I have massive plaque buildup on a tooth next to where I had a broken one, I was afraid to floss/brush hard near the broken tooth, it happened so fast! the plaque I mean). Then two weeks after that, I do bleaching. Then two weeks after that, 8 fillings and final crown prepping under deep sedation again. Then two weeks after that (notice the two week intervals,lol) I will finally have my 3 permanent crowns put on! Voila. 3 months, $15,000 total ($2K is covered by insurance, yay) and the new mouth will be complete. I'm buying a WaterPik (bought a different brand but I think I'm going to return it tomorrow), and a new electric toothbrush and other sorts of dental paraphanalia. The kids are getting used to the more extensive dental routine I've got us on (more time brushing, flossing, rinsing, not snacking as much, 3 square meals a day..)

Right now I'm still eating gently, I'm afraid to disrupt the temp. fillings I have. I feel like I'm hardly eating currently. It takes me a long time to eat anything I take such teeny tiny bites.

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our dentist told us that whoever holds the baby first passes on the friendly bacteria to the baby...(don't know if that is true or not) but like if aunt mag has great teeth..let aunt mag kiss the baby first so that the baby gets the good bacteria...I dunno...lol
The strength of your immune system means everything and the "strep mutans" bug is nothing (with apologies to Louis Pasteur for plagerizing his dying words...)

It's not who holds the babe, it's whether the babe's immune system keeps the bugs in check and doesn't allow them a toehold. The dental profession has not studied Weston Price's research and therefore takes the popular opinion that cavities are a massive plague infecting poor unsuspecting people silently in the night. This thread proves differently.

The PP who said her brother with surgeries in early childhood probably got massive antibiotics. Antibx are connected to tooth enamel problems and discoloration because they suppress the immune system.
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yeah that is what I wondered Jane..thanks for the post.
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The PP who said her brother with surgeries in early childhood probably got massive antibiotics. Antibx are connected to tooth enamel problems and discoloration because they suppress the immune system.
: umm did you mean me? Now, its been said before, my dh and I do look similar, but he's not, I repeat, NOT my brother Incest is not best
: sorry, couldn't help myself, it made me laugh!
I think you're right about the antibiotics though. I'll have to double check with my MIL, I think she said he had problems as soon as he got teeth, and he got them at 4 months. I'll have to check when he got his first surgery.
I just got off the phone with my MIL and she said he didn't start having problems until he was 2, and he had his first surgery when he was 9 months old. Before that, they were fine.
Kiki had antibiotics for strep throat last year, but I think she was already having problems with her teeth before that. I think she got antibiotics for that for a double ear infection (yes, I'm kicking myself now) I can't remember when that was, I think it was a couple months before the strep throat.

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Hi Jane and all,

I'm subbing to this fantastic thread because 26 mo old dd went to dentist for the first time the other day and they recommended extracting the lateral incisors, doing "pulpotomies" on the two front teeth, then crowns (although they may end up being extracted too), crowns on upper molars, and a bunch of other fillings, all under CS.

I was feeling guilty about not brushing her teeth more, breastfeeding, eating sugar, etc. But now I'm feeling angry at the overkill of the dental community and the lack of other kid's dentist's options here besides the place I took her to called Kidzaam.

Anyway, I have the bone broth brewing in the crock pot!

We have raw cow's milk for $9/ gallon here. Am going to get some more of that, plus butter.
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Oh Sarah, I'm so sorry to hear this. And y'all have been doing so well on other fronts! It's a constant battle isn't it.

The comments I've made before re: root canals would apply to the pulpotomies too I imagine, you might want to research before allowing that.
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