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Thanks Shonda! I am using oil pulling with good results. However, the pain I have in the gums around the tooth with the needle in the root canal is slowly returning so I'm sure that I need to do something urgent regarding removing that needle that's inside and taking the Hg+ out of my system. Otherwise I think no real healing will take place. Moneca - can I get the NCD from you? Are you considered a distributor or should I look for someone else? Maybe someone local to save on shipping?
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Hi Moneca,

Have you heard of Pau D'Arco? It's a south american herb also known as lapacho that supposedly helps control yeast. In "The Way of Herbs" Michael Tierra reports cancer cures with lapacho tea. I'm wondering if it would be a safe supplement to give to a child.
I have heard of it and read a tiny bit as I once contemplated giving it to Sierra. I haven't read of any contraindications for a child, but I'm not sure.

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I also have a very hard time getting dd to take more than 4-5 grams of SA since she can't stand the taste. So I never really had a chance to test bowel tolerance. I also use a Thistle Cleanse supplement from Zand but I wonder if Liverlife is more effective. How about HVCLO and BO? Do you also include them in your daily suplement regimen?
Liverlife was helpful with Sierra and I discovered it while reading posts in Autism NCD yahoo group. Quite a number of those parents with kids on the spectrum used it. I'm not sure how it compares with milk thistle or any herbal mix with milk thistle as an ingredient. Brainchild offers it for the best price www.brainchildnutritionals.com

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Regarding the ALA I got a bottle from Jarrow that also contains biotin (supposedly it greatly enhances ALA detoxification). I tried a tiny bit (maybe 15mg or so) and I felt great at first, incredibly energetic, with a clear mind and quick thinking only to wake up feeling miserable, brain fogged, lethargic, slurred speech and a headache the following day. That clearly demonstrated how toxic I may be. I need to remove all the mercury from my body asap - I'm desperate! I hope after my dental appointment on March 13 I'll have an idea of how much it will cost - probably a lot since I have 6 crowns plus the needle in the root canal that needs to be removed before I can be considered metal free...
Yes, all your symptoms that were exacerbated sure sound like symptoms of mercury toxicity. By taking the ALA by itself you just opened up the cells to mercury mobilization to area of lesser concentration without anything to escort the merucry out of the body. I hope this demonstrated how important it is to clear the blood/plasma of mercury first and to take ALA safely per protocol.

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Last but not least how do you know your dd is mercury free? Do you go by behaviour or you take a ddi hair test after the NCD to see what's being excreted? How long did I take you? Thanks for all your help!

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I should clarify that I don't ever believe anyone can actually be free of all mercury. It's everywhere in our environment and regardless of our diligence, we take in some each day and can only hope that our detox systems are functional enough to cause our bodies to excrete it. With that said, I believe my dd is free of the bulk of her mercury due to a few reasons :

1) Her mercury symptoms have continued to decrease on the whole since August and I'm hoping that with just a couple more treatments all symptoms will be completely gone.

2) The horrible yeast that plagued her for 3 1/2 years is gone regardless of the food she consumes. She has been off all supps. to kill yeast with the exception of EVCO for months.

3) Her practitioner has spent the last (nearly) 6 months removing mercury, organomercury, and thimerosal from places in her body you would never imagine and he cannot find any additional to remove.

I plan to send another porphyrin test, but am waiting a few more months so that it will have been a year since giving her TD-ALA. I read from one person's post that ALA usage can skew porphyrin results. I'll probably do a DDI hair test soon too as I'd like to take a look at the mineral levels.

We started using NCD on dd in Nov '06. We started with our acupuncturist/ NAET practitioner in August '07 and have spent about $5000 just with him, but it has been more than worth the money.
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Marilia, good look with your dental appt!

moneca: I've got the Hair Test Interp book coming and will order the AI book next. I know the test isn't as accurate while BFing but I'm thinking I'm gonna try it anyway. On the EVCO and yeasties, is it a good idea to do anything that would cause die off while BFing? I wouldn't want to dump more Hg into my system and wouldn't that do that?

Anyone incorporated Oil Pulling? I'm wondering if this is really good or if it's hype? Plus, I really don't like the taste and texture of pure oil in my mouth. But, I'd give it a shot.
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I've never read anything warning of problems with yeast die-off and BF. The yeast release endotoxins which cause the die-off symptoms. I've never given it any thought, but if you did take something to kill the yeast you could watch DC for die-off symptoms to see if they are being affected. With that said, we did see evidence through Sierra's treatment that mercury can hide within yeast cells and be released when the yeast die so that might be an issue.
I used OP with great results. I used the unrefined sunflower oil for 3 months. At first my gums just became very sensitive and painful after about a week. Slowly I began to see the gums actually growing back over a tooth where they had been receeded. I noticed with the first OP that my mouth had lost the stale taste it always had. I also had a spot on my lateral forearm where I had experienced intermittent pain for over a year. No particular movement seemed to cause the pain and there was no abnormality in the tissue that I could determine. That pain went away not to return within the first month of OP. It has been a year since I started OP and only continued for 3 months.
There is not a lot of info available on OP. Some states that it removes bacteria and some hints that it detoxes so I don't know whether it is safe for women who are prego or BF.
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Moneca - can I get the NCD from you? Are you considered a distributor or should I look for someone else? Maybe someone local to save on shipping?
I am a distributor, but only bought in for the discount and have never sold any. Until recently I always bought my NCD through Brainchild www.brainchildnutritionals.com The bottles used to be $36.50 each and they just raised prices in the last month to $42.00 per bottle. Because of this I began buying the 3 packs from Waiora www.waiora.com as it is cheaper even with the shipping and taxes which are ridiculous since NCD weighs almost nothing. Your cheapest bet would be to buy from Brainchild (super cheap shipping because the product is so light) or to become a distributor through Waiora for $30. I think any distributor you buy from will really jack up the price because of the additional tax/shipping they have to pay.
Brainchild is a wonderful company and I've gotten almost all my supps (other than superfood items) from them. They really do have excellent prices and a father of two autistic children started the company. Most of the people employed there have children on the spectrum so they can be a wonderful source of knowledge if you need help with an issue. They also have the best prices on many items to help with yeast (like candex or three-lac).
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I just found the following "Recommended dosage & uses for NCD" and thought some of you may be intersted :

http://www.zeolite.com/images/ncd.pdf
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Thanks. Yeah, the mercury release from die-off is what had me concerned.

Anyone used DDI for testing here? I called last week to order the Hair Elements test and they said I needed a doctor's order. I was under the impression they were a self-order place. Guess I had it confused with one of the other labs.
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Shonda,

Is this the one you tried to order :

http://www.directlabs.com/testtypes.php#hair

I just went through the process of ordering on line up through giving my credit card information and had no problem. They're calling me back so that I can get a healthcare provider code through their company and I'll ask if there is any problem ordering without a doc's order.

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It was that test but I tried to order it directly from DD. So, I just need to order them thru direct labs. Thanks!
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Same here. My SIL signed me up for that reason. You may want to try that or else just order as suggested.
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Ok, anyone know what supplements and adrenal support are safe for mercury toxic people who are breastfeeding? I feel like DD's probably going to wean towards the end of this year and want to get as much support for my system as I can before getting the dental work done. I just don't want to take anything that may mobilize any mercury I've got stored, and it seems like everything that makes me feel better or get better, does this to some extent. My brain fog is such that I haven't been able to pin down which things do and don't. Thanks!
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Ok, anyone know what supplements and adrenal support are safe for mercury toxic people who are breastfeeding? I feel like DD's probably going to wean towards the end of this year and want to get as much support for my system as I can before getting the dental work done. I just don't want to take anything that may mobilize any mercury I've got stored, and it seems like everything that makes me feel better or get better, does this to some extent. My brain fog is such that I haven't been able to pin down which things do and don't. Thanks!
When I went to see Dr. Schmid ND (bases his practice on the teachings of WAP) he did some blood work and found that I had adrenal exhaustion (no surprise). I began taking his cal/mag and adrenal organ pills on his advice. I started to feel more calm and relaxed after a few weeks of taking these. I continued taking the adrenals for a year and will always take the cal/mag. I never had my adrenals retested as we didn't have the money (phone consult with him $200 and another couple hundred for the labs) so I just kept taking them until I felt completely back to normal. I don't see why there would be any problem taking the adrenal if pregnant. I honestly never looked at any other options to take care of the problem.

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Ok, anyone know what supplements and adrenal support are safe for mercury toxic people who are breastfeeding?
I took an adrenal support supp, Cortine by Thorne Research, while nursing. My HCP also thought it was important, both for my adrenals and for the mercury toxicity, to take vitC to bowel tolerance every day. I also took modifilan to bind to any mercury that was mobilized (just in general, not particularly from the adrenal supp or the vitC). I saw my son's vitC need go down (was also giving him bowel tolerance vitC along with other supps) while I was taking these, so they didn't seem to increase his toxic load.

Not that you were going to do this, but for a while I started juicing a lemon and drinking the lemon juice along with my glass of water for my pills first thing in the morning. That made my son's vitC need shoot up--it really mobilized toxins and they all went straight into my milk. My HCP provider saw something similar (years ago) with kombucha.
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Not that you were going to do this, but for a while I started juicing a lemon and drinking the lemon juice along with my glass of water for my pills first thing in the morning. That made my son's vitC need shoot up--it really mobilized toxins and they all went straight into my milk. My HCP provider saw something similar (years ago) with kombucha.
That sure makes sense. There have been a number of women on the TF board questioning whether kombucha was safe during pregnancy. I used to caution that the detoxing effect could increase exposure to the fetus, but others tended to blow it off making comments that they used it during pregnancy without problem.
I think everything that you've written in previous posts regarding your son's varying C needs is very interesting and matches what I have experienced and read. I've got to say that I would have never considered lemon to have such powerful detoxification properties, but I would have said the same about juicing veggies until I experienced the detox symptoms.
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I used to caution that the detoxing effect could increase exposure to the fetus, but others tended to blow it off making comments that they used it during pregnancy without problem.
And the worst part is (well, besides the obvious of the kid getting all that junk), is that if I'd done something like that before it was obvious I was really unwell, I would've just kept doing it instead of stopping. My daughter got all sorts of toxins from me and I didn't yet realize that my health was poor. So how many women just don't realize that something is very wrong because their body still has some reserves left to function somewhat normally? Thinking about this too much (health in general, I mean) is just too depressing.

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I've got to say that I would have never considered lemon to have such powerful detoxification properties, but I would have said the same about juicing veggies until I experienced the detox symptoms.
It never occurred to me, either. I thought this was mild and just a bit supportive for my health--it never occurred to me that something like this could happen.
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So, I was doing a lot of driving today (got my 1st amalgam filling replaced, but I had to drive 3 hours back to Austin to do it), and I had time to think. This is going to be obvious to most, but I think I finally really "got" the little dance I'm doing with my daughter's health. And writing it out will help clarify my thoughts.

I've been giving my daughter a pretty basic set of supplements (vit/mineral) for several months now, as preparation for giving her some ALA (that wasn't necessarily the plan from the beginning, but watching her lack of progress, it became the next step). She's not mercury toxic, but she got a lot of mercury and other toxins from me because I was/am mercury toxic and not dealing with any detoxification well. We (my HCP and I) expected that I'd taper up her vitC until we hit bowel tolerance, and that that would slowly come down over time as the toxins were mobilized and excreted (the theory worked well with my son, who I did this with first, since he is mercury toxic). But it never worked quite right with her--I got up to 30g/day to get to bowel tolerance, but got detox symptoms above roughly 20g. So I cut back, stayed in the high teens for a long time (no downward trend I could see), and we eventually decided to try a small amount of ALA (Andy Cutler frequency).

It took a few rounds to see what was happening. The ALA really did seem to get things mobilized (mercury, other metals, something else, I really can't say) but her body couldn't keep up with detoxifying/excreting it (started seeing detox symptoms), and now we're at the point where I can only give her about 12g vitC/day (detox symptoms above this amt).

Moneca's comments prodded my memory--my HCP and I had talked (a while back) about liver function, both from the TCM perspective (daughter's anger/volatile emotions when I give her too much vitC or ALA), and the straightforward stress on the liver from all the toxins she got, and now taxing the liver extra to process toxins being mobilized. So I'm giving her a milk thistle (and other stuff) supp and modifilan for a while, and then I'll see if I can up her daily vitC back to where it was before. I'm hesitant to try anymore ALA if I can't even get her back to where she was.

But now I can more clearly see the dance--her liver is bogged down by all the mercury and other toxins she's carrying around, but I need her liver to do more than just keep up with everyday toxins (and I'm learning more all the time about how to reduce these, though in a rented apartment at the moment, I've got some limitations in what I can do), I need her liver to process extra to bring down her total body burden of toxins. So it's this balance between liver-supportive measures (milk thistle/glutathione/other stuff supp, and modifilan to bind to heavy metals), and liver-stressing supplements (vitC and ALA) to get the metals out. And it's this dance, where I watch how she's feeling, try taking a step forward, maybe need to take a step back and regroup, and then try again.

I know this is pretty basic about how this works, but seeing it happen and feeling like I have some understanding of what I'm observing (and learning what I should be watching for) is a great breakthrough for me. Reading about it is important, but not quite the same as watching it happen and understanding what I'm seeing.
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Tanya,
From my experience I'd have to say that every time I get to the point I think I understand what is going on with my daughter's body it ends up being very short lived. I find out that I'm soon in a quandary again. Detoxing mercury is such a journey - esp. with little ones.
I had never heard of modifilan so I had to look it up. Had no clue it was a seaweed. My only question would be whether this would really clear the blood mercury enough to safely use ALA. Also, I wonder if the modifilan is enough to escort the mercury out of the body after the ALA makes the cell walls permeable to the mercury.
Supporting her liver and giving her vitamin C sounds like a good idea.
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Tanya, ALA is actually good for the liver. It helps it, rather than stressing it further. Cutler says ALA increases liver glutathione levels.
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Tanya,
From my experience I'd have to say that every time I get to the point I think I understand what is going on with my daughter's body it ends up being very short lived. I find out that I'm soon in a quandary again. Detoxing mercury is such a journey - esp. with little ones.
I had never heard of modifilan so I had to look it up. Had no clue it was a seaweed. My only question would be whether this would really clear the blood mercury enough to safely use ALA. Also, I wonder if the modifilan is enough to escort the mercury out of the body after the ALA makes the cell walls permeable to the mercury.
Supporting her liver and giving her vitamin C sounds like a good idea.
Moneca - that's why you started your dd on NCD first to clear up Hg++ plasma levels before doing the ALA, right? Cutler does state that only ALA, DMSA and DPMS are true chelators with two thiol groups and things like chlorella and cilantro just weakly mobilize Hg++ in the body without truly eliminating it. I wonder if that's the case with modifilan.

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From my experience I'd have to say that every time I get to the point I think I understand what is going on with my daughter's body it ends up being very short lived. I find out that I'm soon in a quandary again. Detoxing mercury is such a journey - esp. with little ones.
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!! I think I will enjoy my sense of understanding while it lasts, even if it's only a week or two, as is likely to be the case.

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Cutler does state that only ALA, DMSA and DPMS are true chelators with two thiol groups and things like chlorella and cilantro just weakly mobilize Hg++ in the body without truly eliminating it. I wonder if that's the case with modifilan.
I haven't done a lot of reading on how the modifilan works because so far I've been going on how I've seen it work and what my HCP has recommended. It may soon be time to delve into the nitty-gritty and learn more. I don't understand the mechanism at all, but it's fast--I had a really horrible headache/body ache/overall feeling of badness a while back, and the modifilan just made it go away in 10-15 minutes. My husband's detox headaches (he's been dragged, kicking and screaming, into this improve-our-health thing too, though his health is far better than the rest of us) go away about 15 minutes after taking the modifilan. I _finally _ convinced him that he needs to keep a bottle at work. So seeing good results, along with my HCP recommending it, has kept me going this far, but the decision point on what else to look into and try may be approaching quickly.

I've been reluctant to give DMSA to either of the kids, and with my daughter I may just need to get over that. My HCP required bloodwork (kidney & liver function tests) before giving me the okay for DMSA (for after the rest of my fillings are out, I mean), and I've been hesitant to use that strong a drug for the kids. And we (HCP and I) haven't talked about NCD at all, and maybe I need to read about that and learn more. My son, who I thought was the sicker of the two, may be the easier--he's asymptomatic right now (with the supps and gfcf) and has just responded exactly as my HCP expected.

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Tanya, ALA is actually good for the liver. It helps it, rather than stressing it further. Cutler says ALA increases liver glutathione levels.
Duckmom, yeah, I guess that's true, but I was seeing how much toxins it pulled out that then weren't excreted, and that's what I meant--said it badly, though. And part of the reason I'm hesitant to jump into DMSA is that it will be harder on her body. And thank you for the PM, I am thinking I need to consider something else, but for the next few weeks, at least, I think I need to just stick with what I'm doing--give it time to either help or not.
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This is sorta off-topic, though sort of not. Anyone willing to share how they felt immediately after getting some of their amalgams replaced? I got 1 replaced yesterday (supposed to be two, the two on my right, but scheduling was too tight, time-wise), so next time it will be the 3 remaining teeth.

Okay, my son's two final molars are moving and he's started waking up around 10 or 11pm, so he just wandered out and I need to get him back to sleep, and get to sleep myself (bad me! for being up so late). Just wanted to ask what others felt like. Thx.
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Moneca - that's why you started your dd on NCD first to clear up Hg++ plasma levels before doing the ALA, right? Cutler does state that only ALA, DMSA and DPMS are true chelators with two thiol groups and things like chlorella and cilantro just weakly mobilize Hg++ in the body without truly eliminating it. I wonder if that's the case with modifilan.

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Yes, I had her on NCD 10 drops 3 x per day for months before we began ALA. That would be my guess with modifilan would fall into the same category as chlorella.
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Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!! I think I will enjoy my sense of understanding while it lasts, even if it's only a week or two, as is likely to be the case.

I haven't done a lot of reading on how the modifilan works because so far I've been going on how I've seen it work and what my HCP has recommended. It may soon be time to delve into the nitty-gritty and learn more. I don't understand the mechanism at all, but it's fast--I had a really horrible headache/body ache/overall feeling of badness a while back, and the modifilan just made it go away in 10-15 minutes. My husband's detox headaches (he's been dragged, kicking and screaming, into this improve-our-health thing too, though his health is far better than the rest of us) go away about 15 minutes after taking the modifilan. I _finally _ convinced him that he needs to keep a bottle at work. So seeing good results, along with my HCP recommending it, has kept me going this far, but the decision point on what else to look into and try may be approaching quickly.

I've been reluctant to give DMSA to either of the kids, and with my daughter I may just need to get over that. My HCP required bloodwork (kidney & liver function tests) before giving me the okay for DMSA (for after the rest of my fillings are out, I mean), and I've been hesitant to use that strong a drug for the kids. And we (HCP and I) haven't talked about NCD at all, and maybe I need to read about that and learn more. My son, who I thought was the sicker of the two, may be the easier--he's asymptomatic right now (with the supps and gfcf) and has just responded exactly as my HCP expected.



Duckmom, yeah, I guess that's true, but I was seeing how much toxins it pulled out that then weren't excreted, and that's what I meant--said it badly, though. And part of the reason I'm hesitant to jump into DMSA is that it will be harder on her body. And thank you for the PM, I am thinking I need to consider something else, but for the next few weeks, at least, I think I need to just stick with what I'm doing--give it time to either help or not.
Sierra's issues have never been easy ones and even our current practitioner who has done quite a bit of mercury work says that she is by far the most difficult patient he's ever had. Everything is a puzzle and often nothing makes sense. Hopefully your path will be much easier with your dc.
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This is sorta off-topic, though sort of not. Anyone willing to share how they felt immediately after getting some of their amalgams replaced? I got 1 replaced yesterday (supposed to be two, the two on my right, but scheduling was too tight, time-wise), so next time it will be the 3 remaining teeth.

Okay, my son's two final molars are moving and he's started waking up around 10 or 11pm, so he just wandered out and I need to get him back to sleep, and get to sleep myself (bad me! for being up so late). Just wanted to ask what others felt like. Thx.
I had seven removed one quadrant at a time with a month between each quadrant. I wasn't taking any chelator or detoxifying agent at the time. I honestly never noticed any worsening of symptoms or other changes at the time. Are you noticing anything different?
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I'm not feeling different (I was a bit worried about how I may feel), but I noticed that my vitC need went from about 6g/day (way lower than when I first figured out my bowel tolerance--that was 44g) up to 24g+ (didn't hit bowel tolerance in the days after the removal). And this was just one filling. Given the cautions I'd gotten from my HCP (possible nausea, vomiting, headaches, etc), I wasn't sure what to expect. But the change in the vitC alone really made an impact on me--this is an experienced mercury-free dentist--I can only be deeply thankful that I didn't have work done while nursing the kids.

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Thank you. I'm hoping it doesn't get harder--stories like yours, where you've put in the hard work and it's paid off, are part of what get me through. I'm just tired out. Anyway, no more whining.
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Thanks for your suggestions on safe supplements while BFing.

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Not that you were going to do this, but for a while I started juicing a lemon and drinking the lemon juice along with my glass of water for my pills first thing in the morning. That made my son's vitC need shoot up--it really mobilized toxins and they all went straight into my milk. My HCP provider saw something similar (years ago) with kombucha.
Actually, I already did try it for a few days -- and felt GREAT! I started it after reading about it on the STTM site for adrenal fatigue. I stopped when I found the mercury connection and found out it was a detoxer. Actually, I knew it was a detoxer, but didn't make the connection in my foggy head that detox of ANYTHING would be bad while BFing -- DOH! When I thought I may be moving Hg around, I quit. Using the salt water is ok though, right?

Oh, and what about yogurt? I started eating quite a bit of yogurt and have been feeling much better, and I'm now suspicious of anything that makes me feel better. I've read that candida is protective against mercury tox, potentially by absorbing the Hg, so wouldn't killing it off be a bad thing? Should I stop the yogurt?

I sent the hair tests off last week through Direct Labs. I used assumed names, so I hope they don't arrest me :LOL . I'm just paranoid of using our real names right now for some reason. Don't ask me why. It took more hair than I thought. I had to be careful with DD's so not to have the hunks I cut show in the back -- she doesn't have a lot of hair to begin with.
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Actually, I already did try it for a few days -- and felt GREAT!
Yeah, I felt great, too. For me, it helped with mood stuff--feeling low, feeling easily frustrated. It's one reason that weaning was a really mixed experience--partly sad, but partly relieved and happy to be able to do things to make myself feel better.

I don't know what the saltwater thing is, can you explain?

I don't know much about candida. None of our problems have been digestive--well, I'm sure our digestion isn't great, and I have to wonder if there's a really low-level digestive problem for my son just because he's noticeably intolerant to a couple foods, but I think the intolerances run in my family, so even that I don't really know. But we don't have anything obvious going on so my knowledge there is minimal. I've read the same as you, though--about yeasts holding onto mercury and other toxins, but I just don't know enough to advise you. Though that seems like a thing that should make you feel worse--if the yeast was letting go of mercury and it started circulating in your bloodstream, you shouldn't feel better. But like I said, I really don't know.

I think the Direct Labs people are just happy to get your money--but it will arrive at your address, right? The post office won't get confused? Seems like if the street address is right, it should be okay.
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I'm not feeling different (I was a bit worried about how I may feel), but I noticed that my vitC need went from about 6g/day (way lower than when I first figured out my bowel tolerance--that was 44g) up to 24g+ (didn't hit bowel tolerance in the days after the removal). And this was just one filling. Given the cautions I'd gotten from my HCP (possible nausea, vomiting, headaches, etc), I wasn't sure what to expect. But the change in the vitC alone really made an impact on me--this is an experienced mercury-free dentist--I can only be deeply thankful that I didn't have work done while nursing the kids.



Thank you. I'm hoping it doesn't get harder--stories like yours, where you've put in the hard work and it's paid off, are part of what get me through. I'm just tired out. Anyway, no more whining.
That makes sense regarding the increased need for C. Dealing with this in your children's case is tough and a bit of whining is fine.
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Hi, I'm really benefitting from this thread. Thank you. I've been doing some mild detox, an elimination diet along with my older son, plus some probiotics and stuff (keffir, kombucha, lemon-cilantro pesto). Eliminating dairy and gluten seemed to cause all sorts of cleansing/allergic reactions for a few weeks, mostly resolved now. I've stayed away from any serious cleansing for a long time because I've been nursing/pregnant for almost 7 years, but my question is: do you all think this is risky to my almost 4-year-old who still nurses like once per day or less (2-15 minutes). I really keep thinking I'm not making milk any more, but he claims that he still gets milk. I really want to respect his weaning process, which is well in the works (he often forgets to nurse for 3-4 days at a time), but I'm anxious to continue with my cleansing. WWYD?

And thinking about doing chelation eventually for my older son and my self.
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Actually, I already did try it for a few days -- and felt GREAT! I started it after reading about it on the STTM site for adrenal fatigue. I stopped when I found the mercury connection and found out it was a detoxer. Actually, I knew it was a detoxer, but didn't make the connection in my foggy head that detox of ANYTHING would be bad while BFing -- DOH! When I thought I may be moving Hg around, I quit. Using the salt water is ok though, right?

Oh, and what about yogurt? I started eating quite a bit of yogurt and have been feeling much better, and I'm now suspicious of anything that makes me feel better. I've read that candida is protective against mercury tox, potentially by absorbing the Hg, so wouldn't killing it off be a bad thing? Should I stop the yogurt?

I sent the hair tests off last week through Direct Labs. I used assumed names, so I hope they don't arrest me :LOL . I'm just paranoid of using our real names right now for some reason. Don't ask me why. It took more hair than I thought. I had to be careful with DD's so not to have the hunks I cut show in the back -- she doesn't have a lot of hair to begin with.
Fermented dairy is a wonderful idea. The good bacteria or probiotics in yoghurt or kefir will not kill the yeast. It takes something that is fungicidal to kill the yeast. Good bacteria, bad bacteria, beneficial yeast, and detrimental yeast like candida all exist together in the healthy gut. Key is they exist in BALANCE. Most people do not get enough or any probiotics on a daily basis.
I've been making yoghurt, kefir, and cultured buttermilk from raw dairy for several years and we love it.
Oh gosh, Sierra barely had more than fuzz when I sent in her hair test. She did have some patches.
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Hi, I'm really benefitting from this thread. Thank you. I've been doing some mild detox, an elimination diet along with my older son, plus some probiotics and stuff (keffir, kombucha, lemon-cilantro pesto). Eliminating dairy and gluten seemed to cause all sorts of cleansing/allergic reactions for a few weeks, mostly resolved now. I've stayed away from any serious cleansing for a long time because I've been nursing/pregnant for almost 7 years, but my question is: do you all think this is risky to my almost 4-year-old who still nurses like once per day or less (2-15 minutes). I really keep thinking I'm not making milk any more, but he claims that he still gets milk. I really want to respect his weaning process, which is well in the works (he often forgets to nurse for 3-4 days at a time), but I'm anxious to continue with my cleansing. WWYD?

And thinking about doing chelation eventually for my older son and my self.
That is a tough question becuase you know what you're detoxing will go into the milk, but is it frequent enough to make much of a difference that is noticeable? I'd be questioning if you have amalgam fillings or root canals over amalgam to where there is a constant source of mercury being deposited into you blood. Regardless of the toxins or amount of nursing I think it always comes down to priority of detoxing yourself or not taking a chance with a nursling. That is just my take on it, but my experience with dd makes my opinion very different and much more cautious than what most mamas would have.
What makes you think that you and your older child need to chelate?
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