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I’m going to post this in veryyoungkidsteeth, alternativekidsteeth,
and mothering.com, so don’t be surprised if you see it around.

Last week my son and I took a 3 hour plane ride to Idaho to receive
Ozone treatment through KiDDS Dental over in Pocatello Idaho. The
dentists were Dr. Russ Misner and Dr. Larry Bybee (Bybee did the
treatment).

It went WONDERFULLY. I can not even begin to describe the immense
relief and joy that I feel having taken the steps to receive this
treatment.

I wanted to let everyone know about our great experience so that maybe
some hope could be spread around for others. Unfortunately for those
weary of reading, I’m afraid this might get rather long. I think I’ll
describe the visit first, including some of the information that was
related to me by these wonderful dentists, and then go into a little
of my son’s history. That might make it easier. FYI: He’s got pics of
his pre-treated teeth in the pictures section of one of the yahoo
boards. I think they’re titled with a date. I’ll try to get them on
the other board as well.

We scheduled two appointments, one for Thursday and one for Friday.
They said that they usually prefer to space the ozone treatment out a
couple of weeks, but since we were traveling such a distance they
suggested just doing it two days in a row (one of which was their day
off!!)

On Thursday we showed up early in the morning and met the dentists.
Dr. Bybee, who actually did the treatment on my son's teeth, was very
friendly and talked to my son in a conversational tone, showing him
the instruments and demonstrating what would be done. He looked at my
son's teeth briefly, then told me the game plan. 10 seconds of ozone
treatment for each of the top front four affected teeth, followed by
ART, followed by 30 seconds of additional ozone treatment for each
tooth. He explained that the ozone treatment not only disrupted the
surface bacteria, but also penetrates into the tooth. That was
something that I had worried about, only treating the surface. He also
said that since the treatment desensitizes the tooth, it would make
the ART easier to do.

So, we went back to the ominously named “quiet room” for the actual
treatment. It was a knee to knee visit due to my child’s age. I think
that they normally do not allow parents in the room, but luckily this
was not applicable to us. I put my son down on my knees and laid him
onto the dentist's. They put a bite guard into his mouth, which I
think was probably the single greatest cause of any fear or discomfort
in my son, poor kid. They then placed a small tube over the tooth and
counted to 10 while suctioning out the ozonated water that was
distributed through the tube. They did this for each tooth. (Note that
this is not HealOzone treatment, which I believe uses ambient air
rather than water?). My son was pretty hysterical, and it was
frightening to see him so upset, but I knew that nothing about the
process was painful, and that I’d be able to nurse him as soon as we
were done with the blessedly short treatment. So, while it was
excruciatingly hard to watch him, and restrain him, and sing/talk to
him in a calm voice, it simply had to be done. I did make the mistake
of loosening my grip when I thought the treatment was over, and this
caused some havoc that was quickly averted. By the time we were
finished with this round, my son was exhausted. He started falling
asleep while I was nursing him, so Dr. Bybee made the suggestion that
we come back in a few hours after my son had napped. This turned out
to be a brilliant idea.

We came back in about 4 hours and my son was back in good spirits.
He’s such a resilient kid, but really I just have to say: Thank
Goodness For Breastfeeding. The comfort and reassurance that he gets
from this simple act is invaluable. So, anyway, we started on the ART
treatment. Again, knee to knee. Again, the worst part was the bite
guard. Dr. Bybee started scooping away at the decay in my son's teeth.
Once he was finished he gave me some wonderful news: Under most of the
decay, my son's tooth structure was hard and recalcified!!!! There
were only two softish spots, and these were scooped out. So all of the
stuff we’ve been doing this last year has worked, much to my
amazement! Oh, what wonderful, wonderful news.

After he had had a chance to nurse and regroup, we went down for the
final ozone treatment of the day. 30 seconds per tooth. It seemed
unbearably long, but of course it was not. Again, my sweet boy was in
hysterics, to the point of near hyperventilation if you know that cry
I’m talking about. Once we were done, however, I nursed him and he
again calmed and relaxed. He was laughing and running around in a
matter of minutes.

So, some of the information that I got from the dentist. First, they
never even mentioned breastfeeding. It didn’t come up at all. The
things that they did mention were frequently related to diet,
digestion, and minerals. They provided me with a couple of new
products, a new (to me) xylitol gel that we'll be using to replace
Spry. It contains the xylitol, but also a small amount of colloidal
silver, and a couple of other good ingredients (unfortunately
including spearmint). I don’t have this on me, but it’s the Sweet
Living Dental Cleanser Gel. They also gave me a Green Illite (sp?)
clay by Time Labs that contains numerous minerals. They directed me to
mix the two together and spread it on his teeth at least three times a
day. They also gave me a probiotic for him to take, the theory being
that in order for the body and the mouth to be adequately alkaline,
the gut needs to be able to digest and distribute foods and nutrients
properly. There’s a lot of information on that subject that I don’t
want to botch completely, so this is something that one could
research. They also did a test on my son, myself, and my mom called a
“caries susceptibility test”. More great news: we all did well. My
son, probably because of all of the work that we’ve done over this
last year to stall his decay. Me, because I just finished a round of
serious Chlorohexadine Gluconate (sp?) mouth rinses. And my mom,
because of whatever she’s doing.

So, those low scores, coupled with my son’s already recalcified teeth,
the ozone treatment, and the removal of all the decay make for a very
hopeful prognosis. I was told that there was no need to continue with
the fluoride toothpastes and varnishes that we’ve been subjecting him
to (although I don’t think they’d ever really recommend fluoride at
this office, at least not for such a young child). And, they seemed
very positive about my son’s teeth. So, for as jagged and small as my
son’s teeth are, they’re about as normal as they can get!

The next day we finished the treatment, which was an additional 30 sec
treatment per tooth. The dentists talked with me some more, and it was
obvious that they put a lot of care and concern into their work. I
should mention that the hygienist was very good as well, very
responsive and supportive. She said that her 11 year old had suffered
from ECC, so I think she was able to be particularly empathetic,
although I think my son probably had the benefit of 9 years worth of
advancements in dentistry, not to mention the emergence of integrated,
naturopathic style dental care.

So, with all of that good news, let me describe my son’s history briefly.

He showed white lesions at 10-11 months, with the first visible hole
at 12 months. This hole turned gold/brown around 13 months, and within
a week half of the tooth was gone (in between dental appointments.) I
was of course overwhelmed and depressed, and so searched for
recommendations for AP/breastfeeding friendly dentists in my area. In
the meantime his other three teeth similarily fell apart. I met with
one dentist who said BF was the cause, but was otherwise nice;
however, she had no plan of action for me, but to hope the teeth held
until he was 2 and old enough for GA. I met with another dentist who
also suggested that BF was the cause, but who didn’t push weaning TOO
hard, and who looked at my tears and offered me a solution: Fluoride.
This dentist was generally kind and wonderful, wanted to avoid GA at
all costs and slow the decay until my son was old enough to sit on his
own, but the fluoride treatment has never sat well with me. He had my
son coming in every three weeks for the fluoride varnish for about 2-3
months while we tried to aggressively treat the decay. In the
meantime, after every snack/nurse I spread a small amount of fluoride,
the size of the letter "I" here, on my son’s upper four teeth (about
12 times a day). After 2-3 months we switched to every 2 months for
the varnish, and the toothpaste about 6 times a day (including middle
of the night applications.) We were under the care of this dentist for
about 11 months or so, during which time the decay progressed very
very slowly. However, the decay that occurred originally was very
substantial. See the photos for an idea of how bad it was (although is
was all hard underneath, woot woot!)

In addition I did the following:

Zero sugar products for my son, with the occasional xylitol sweetened
cookie/pancake/waffle/muffin – limited bananas, oranges, and sticky
stuff. Finally cut out pastas, and only sprouted breads for toasts.

I started taking cod liver oil and butter oil, increased my diet in
kales, collards, tofu, cheese, and high quality multivitamins, mineral
supplements, and calcium. I’ve always eaten really healthy, including
all organic fruits, vegetables and grains, with minimal processed foods.

Spry tooth gel 3-6 times per day

Spiffies occasionally

Couple drops of colloidal silver on the toothbrush before spry gel,
brushing twice per day

Husband put our son to bed so that he didn’t nurse to sleep (however,
we NEVER night weaned. Not even close)

MI Paste on his teeth after he went to sleep at night. (Now I’m going
to apply it after he nurses at night, instead of the fluoride I’ve
been using)

Only water and breastmilk to drink

30c Calc Phos homeopathic remedy per day

Folic acid, when possible to sneak into food (compouned Rx from doctor)

For the future, in addition to the above things I will be:

Cutting out all of the fluoride

Use the new Sweet Living product instead of spry, as well as mixing up
and applying the clay paste that I mentioned previously

Include a probiotic in my son's diet

Try to sneak some c/cal/m supplements into his food

Increase his water intake

Treat the whole family!!! As suggested by the dentists and some folks
here. Tea tree oil mouth wash one week a month, every month…this was
hard to bring to the attention of my very conventional in-laws, but
I’m going to keep needling them as they watch my son two days a week.
In our house, I’m using massive amounts of xylitol in the form of spry
mints, as well as that chlorohexidine rinse.

And, we’ll keep going to checkups every 6 months, and I hope to have
the ozone treatment again in a year, perhaps.

I’m so hopeful that we can keep our son's teeth until he’s old enough
to sit still for crowns and possible root canals. I haven’t had much
hope in my heart for the last year, but now I know that it was worth
all of the agonizing, researching, and constant, never-ending
home-care. I hope that this gives someone else a little hope for their
own child, and if any one wants particulars on what exactly happened
during the dental visit, I will be happy to respond in an email. It
wasn’t the easiest thing to do, and the hysteria of a small child is
exceedingly heart wrenching to deal with, but know that my son is just
fine and is in fact better!! Physically, with his clean teeth, and
emotionally, with his less stressed mommy.

Whew!

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Yay! I'm happy for your success, encouraged, and very grateful to hear the details. Thanks for posting. How did you find the dentist who did the ozone and ART?

ETA: I can't find an online source for the xylitol gel you mentioned, would you double check the name? Is there contact info on the package?

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Thanks!!

Here's a link to the website that I plan to use. I haven't bought anything through them yet though. They have a wholesale option that brings the cost down to like 2.50 a bottle.

http://myxylitol.com/index.asp?PageA...TS&Category=13

there's also a mysweetliving.com website.

I found out about KiDDS Dental through one of the yahoo groups. Someone mentioned them in passing and I happened to catch the reference and gave them a call. I posted over in the Idaho forum for any experiences with the dentists and someone mentioned a bad experience with Dr. Misner. I took the risk, especially since Dr. Bybee would be doing the work, and it's history from there. They're both nice, concerned, caring dentists, and my experience was totally different. But, the situation was also totally different, and things may have changed as well.

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That's awesome, I'm so glad you don't have to worry (as much, mama's always worry) anymore!!

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Thanks for the info on the tooth gel, Sara. It sounds like a good replacement for Spry gel (which we've also been using), but I looked on both those sites and neither one has an ingredient list that I can find. If you have a minute, would you mind posting the ingredients, if they're listed on your package?

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Thanks for the info on the tooth gel, Sara. It sounds like a good replacement for Spry gel (which we've also been using), but I looked on both those sites and neither one has an ingredient list that I can find. If you have a minute, would you mind posting the ingredients, if they're listed on your package?
Sure! Get ready:

Water, Xylitol*, Colloidal Silver, Calcium Glycerophosphate, Vegetable Glycerin, Ticalose (thickening agent), Mentha Viridis (Spearmint) Leaf Natural Flavor, Citrus Grandis (Grapefruit) Seed Extract. *MaxXylitol (Maximum-Strength Xylitol)

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Thank you!

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Thanks so much for sharing all this!!
Here are my questions.
I'd love to see the before pictures of your son's teeth. Can you direct me to them?

Will you describe to me whether the dentists in ID were hoping to *cure* his decay, or was the goal to slow it way down? Or maybe the goal was to temporarily cease it?

If he hadn't had the Healozone, & gone a regular dentist, what do you think they would have wanted to do? Pull his teeth? Cap them?

Did your insurance cover any of the procedure?

Was the cal/phos & folic acid added to his or your diet?

So are you now putting the Sweet Living gel on his teeth after every meal? (Was that something the ID dentist recommended?)

Thank you thank you!

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Thanks so much for sharing all this!!
Here are my questions.
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Will you describe to me whether the dentists in ID were hoping to *cure* his decay, or was the goal to slow it way down? Or maybe the goal was to temporarily cease it?

If he hadn't had the Healozone, & gone a regular dentist, what do you think they would have wanted to do? Pull his teeth? Cap them?

Over the last year my overriding goal has been to stall the decay long enough so that he can have crowns put on when he's old enough to sit still. I want to avoid GA. So, when I contacted them that's what I told them. I don't know what their goal would have been had I not expressed what my intent for the visit was. They do have papoose boards, so maybe they're willing to treat children who aren't able to sit still by using those... Not my kid though! My son does need crowns, though. If the decay comes back and we're not able to stall it long enough for him to be capable of sitting in a dental chair for the crowns, then we'll probably have them pulled. We've set our minds against GA.

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Did your insurance cover any of the procedure?
It would have paid for the "initial consult" if I hadn't needed to meet a deductible. I don't know if they gave me a deal or not, but the whole treatment only cost me $250. I think they felt bad that I had to fly in from Portland, and pay for hotels and such... The ozone treatment is 25-50 per tooth.

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Was the cal/phos & folic acid added to his or your diet?
Folic acid, his only. We both use the cal phos.

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So are you now putting the Sweet Living gel on his teeth after every meal? (Was that something the ID dentist recommended?)
I try to use the paste after each meal, which has the gel in it. But, the gel is easier to travel with so I've been bringing that with me to picnics and such. I also put it on his tooth brush. We also use the other products that I mentioned, MI Paste, Spiffie wipes, etc.

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Thank you thank you!
You're welcome! I'm really happy to answer questions. This is a really rough thing to deal with.

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Thanks!!
For some reason I can't find the green elite clay by time labs. Is this the company? http://www.timelabs.com/ If you happen to be near it, will you tell me exactly what the label on the clay says? And do you have any idea what the purpose of the clay is? I hadn't heard of it anywhere else. But those Healozone guys like it?

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Hi zjande. It's Ilite clay, or maybe Illite. I remember being able to locate it on the pdf order form that they have on the site. It's $10. I'm NAK right now. Let me know if you still can't find it.

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I think you can see it when you download the price list. My computer is acting very slow right now, so I can't check to make sure.

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So, some of the information that I got from the dentist. First, they
never even mentioned breastfeeding. It didn’t come up at all. The
things that they did mention were frequently related to diet,
digestion, and minerals. They provided me with a couple of new
products, a new (to me) xylitol gel that we'll be using to replace
Spry. It contains the xylitol, but also a small amount of colloidal
silver, and a couple of other good ingredients (unfortunately
including spearmint
).
Wow! That was alot of info to read through. It looks like there are a number of things that we can be doing to help K's teeth that I didn't know about, but I saw this bit on spearmint and couldn't help but wonder: what is wrong with spearmint?

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Wow! That was alot of info to read through. It looks like there are a number of things that we can be doing to help K's teeth that I didn't know about, but I saw this bit on spearmint and couldn't help but wonder: what is wrong with spearmint?
I'm surprised no one has asked that before!

I've been told by a couple of homeopathic doctors that we should avoid mint (along with tea tree oil and coffee) while using homeopathic remedies. I don't know how that stuff works, but mint supposedly interferes with the effectiveness of the remedies. I've since read the same advice from a couple of other sources.

I wasn't able to stop using any of those products for very long, though. We're also not using the remedies anymore...

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THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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