So, we just had the evaluation today: he was observed by 3 different specialists for his play skills, socialization, fine and gross motor skills, etc. And when they talked to dh and me afterward they noted that he is still bfing and told me that the physical therapist thinks that it's likely that it has something to do with his mouth muscles being weak and him not having words yet. I was so surprised, I have never heard of this being a by-product of bfing before at all--and I read a lot of articles and books about child development, bfing, and so on. SO I expressed my surprise (and skepticism) and they were quick to say It's a personal choice, of course you won't be pushed to wean if you're not ready. But it seems to me if they're saying that, it would be obvious they're also saying bfing is slowing him down in the speech department. THey added that bottles, sippy cups too are to blame for this but aren't most kids who are 19 months old using sippy cups and/or bottles, if not bfing? I just need some feedback on this, especially if anyone has done OT or PT with their kid to jump start talking. I am in no particular hurry to end the bfing. DS does it a few times a day, mostly at night, and it calms him down and comforts him alot, and I use it to connect with him because I work full time.
If anything, babies usually have to suck harder to get milk out a boob versus a bottle, don't they?
maybe some ask some more questions about what they base their theories on? :
Here's my question: Does your son not speak at all? Does he say Dada, Mama? at 18 months old my DD wasn't saying much and it seemed normal to me, she is 5 now and won't shut up! DS is 15 months old and understands well, but has few words. He als obites me alot, out of anger and due to teething (he only has 6 teeths, imagine what they'd say to that?!?!) I am jus tbeing curious. Do you see a problem or do you believe the yare overreacting?
And keep on breastfeeding, that boobie milk feeds the brain!
Maybe you could ask them what they'd suggest if they assumed your child didn't breastfeed? I'm sorry you're having to put up with such foolishness when you're trying to deal with your child's issues!
Sounds like they are full of it. Trying to find something to blame because they can't figure something out. How irritating. If you continue to work with them, I would say something along the lines of "this is not an issue, we will not be dealing with this here. Please stick to your area of expertise."
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Thanks a lot for replies and I feel like I've been backed up.
Here's the rule of thumb...
1 year of age, should be able to give one-word utterances...
2 years of age, should be able to give two-word phrases...need about 50 single words to do this....as they come close to 3 years of age, three-word-phrases should begin, and they need at least 100 words in their vocabularies to do this.
This is not the "average", but the bottom line in terms of what is needed.
In my personal and professional opinion, blaming lack of speech on sippy cups, bf'ing or any other type of drinking device is a pile of poop. I can see a child who has a pacifier in his or her mouth all day not talking because they simply never practice, but the other things are ridiculous!
Both my kids bf, bottle-fed with EBM, and use sippy cups. They also used pacifiers at daycare because I feel consolation is better than crying. They both talk. DS had fantastic language early on. DD is still questionnable, her language is certainly not where his was at the comparable age, but she's still doing fine. I mostly get one words, or phrases she's previously heard, and she's almost 20 months. Don't let them scare you.
as for bottles and sippy cups.
all the babies/toddlers that i know used sippy cups for at least 3 years.
and the people i know that bottle feed usually do so for around 2 years.
i'd like to see their "proof" really. it sounds fishy.
ps. i bottle fed only, and my oldest son was 2 years before he said many words, then all at once started speaking in paragraphs. i think it is rare when it is a problem...at that young of an age.
I would honestly reevaluate whether you would want to continue there - I think they've given you a reason to mistrust their professional opinions already!
Good luck, I'm sure DS is 100% fine. I cannot tell you how many kids I know who have gone through the early intervention thing and each and every one of them has begun talking and been fine.
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If they are blaming nursing than why the hell does the world health organization support nursing until 2 years.
that would mean children all over the world are delayed.....
I agree that I would do something to get to some potential answers but the fact that nursing was brought up at all..would be a red flag that they are LAME.
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Another thing about evaluating children who are this young is that the evaluations are really unreliable. Your child could come out with totally different scores on another day, and I'm not talking about 6 months down the road, I'm talking tomorrow. A lot of it depends on what your child is willing to show a stranger. And if they completed a parent questionnaire with you, then it partly depends too on how they worded the questions, how they interpreted your responses and how rigid or flexible they are with their own scoring.
I see kids down to about 2 1/2 years for evaluation, and if I have a kid come out in the "delayed" range, I NEVER say the child is retarded unless the child has a syndrome that retardation would be associated with (not that they said this about your ds). The reason I would never say that is that things change so quickly and dramatically with young children, that until you've seen the same pattern over several years, it could be any number of things that are going to allow that child to "catch up", so to speak.
anyway, I just wanted to hopefully make you feel even a little better about the results. I'm sorry they said those things.
I think of it like this, if a toddler was meant to nurse, you wouldn't be lactating, they wouldn't be able to suck, etc. and anything I have ever read discusses how it HELPS the palate, muscles develop and enhances speech, not inhibits. And it isn't like your son is walking around (or dd sorry) with boob in mouth like a pacifier or sippy anyway. A nipple is anatomically correct and made to be that way for a reason.
A woman I know had this experience with her 16 mth old dd- though it wasn't for speech. Her dd has had problems with her muscle tone or something like that and had some intervention to help her with that and she is now crawling and pulling up. She has also had a problem with gagging on food- she still occasionally gags but can eat most soft, mushy foods.
They blamed this on BFing! She talks above average for her age and cognitive is great- plus she has always been a good eater, as in she eats a lot of food and has since before 6 mths old!
So I agree that it is a load of crap- they are grouping BFing with bottles and sippys.
And even bottles and sippys only cause problems when they are constantly sucked on, all day long (and even then I don't think it is too common, maybe even not related?)
I think your boy sounds totally fine- I know a lot of kids who said very little understandable words until after their 2nd Bday.
Actually a Mom I know personally has a son that says only a few words and he just turned 2.
Good luck! You sound like you've got it under control!
I also have to strongly agree with one poster that mentioned how an evaluation can differ one day to the next at this age. Ds can act totally differently around certain other people than he does around dh and I. When I tell him to get a book, he runs and picks one out. If there are some other people around and I tell him to get a book, he acts all shy and non responsive. And even though he doesn't talk, we can say a line from one of his books and he will pick through them until he finds that particular one. But he just isn't interested in talking yet.
One time he was petting a cat, and said clear as a bell "kitty." Only said it once. We don't have a cat, so I don't even know why this would be the one word he said, but there it is. He makes mama and dada sounds, but doesn't refer to us directly. My gut tells me that everything is totally fine, but sometimes I get myself freaked out by reading a baby book or something that says he should have 50 words by now. What does your intuition tell you?
I would suggest staying involved in therapy because of the possible delay in play and speech skills, and the therapists might be able to give some good suggestions regarding aggressive behavior. Sometimes toddlers are aggressive because they can't communicate as well as they want to. Have you tried introducing baby signs? This might help to reduce some frustration on ds's part.
I agree with some of the others that it may be, in fact probably is nothing. However I feel it is better to begin intervention early instead of waiting until three years old and saying "I guess it's not something he'll grow out of" because then valuable time has been lost - so much brain growth occurs in the first three years. I guess I'm saying as long as therapy is fun for your son it can't hurt to go just to be on the safe side.
Good luck with this, and keep following your instincts!
Your son sounds normal to me!
Breastfeeding is NOT the cause of speech problems.
Breastfed children are LESS likely to need speech therapy or braces because breastfeeding is the PERFECT exercise for little mouths and jaws. (Sadly this does not mean that NO breastfed child will have these challenges.)
(try http://www.askdrsears.com for references, or it may have been one of the "101 reasons" to breastfeed article at
The American Academy of Family Physicians,
The World Health Organization,
ALL recommend nursing AT LEAST two years for optimal health.
(if you need the references to these just respond to this post and an email will be sent to my box.)
This therapist is IGNORANT about breastfeeding. Sadly in our culture this is not surprising.
actually prevents the tongue protrusion that is considered "standard" in babies and toddlers.
My son is a 30w preemie, now 4.5y, and has mild CP and most of his obvious problems are with articulation. I heard the "you need to wean" from one SLP only (ECI, brand new out of school), and was able to defend against that by citing WHO recommendations for bf for 2 years. Everyone else was very encouraging. Our current (male) SLP is a strong advocate for bf, and asked me for advice for his then pg wife on how long should babies nurse. I told him Jimmy still does, and we have had several good conversations about it. He credits it with a lot of Jimmy's progress.
I am also the family liaison for our ECI program, and have been able to use my experience to help train the rest of the staff as well. You have the right to request a different therapist if you do not feel comfortable with the one(s) you are seeing, it may just take making a little noise. As long as your child enjoys the therapy, it certainly won't hurt to do it, and it was fun, to me anyway, to sit back and watch my son interact from an outside perspective. Much of what the therapy will involve will probably be things you do anyway.
LiamnEmma, you are absolutel right about the whole evaluation process. Wouldn't you know, the day after the evaluation, ds placed a puzzle piece in the correct shape and during the evaluation it was pointed out to me that he couldn't do it. And since then he's said 'dog' a few times and is now saying "No mama" instead of just 'no' and 'mama'. I read these posts twice, and also had a good talk with my sister who is a wise mother and a social worker who works with children and decided that ultimately, whatever we do, I will not let it interfere with how we are instinctually and happily raising him, which includes breastfeeding. The more I thought about it, the more it didn't make sense. As a couple of you brought up, wouldn't that mean that most children worldwide would be speaking late? As I said I have NEVER once heard this anywhere before and I do keep up with bfing stuff, both pro and con.
Anyway, thanks again, it really makes me feel grounded to get real feedback.
I do think it's wise to take note of delays in a child's skills, but not to worry too much about it. I walked at 7 months, but you don't see me in the Olympics! I bet you could find a huge number of Olympians who were "late" crawlers and walkers, though. And a whole lot of scholars who were "late" talkers, too.
i am late but what the hell does bf have to do with it?
my first didnt talk atlot till she was 2. at 18 months she di say thing like me up me down simple things. she self weaned at 15 months.she explode at 2 to 2.5. she speaks great now.
my second is 25 months and speaks almost as well as his 3.5 year old sister. he started at 18 months and I think has 100 0 word voc.he is just a talker and the funny thing is, i read more to her than to him cause he doesnt sit still
he nurses 8 times a day at least.
i hope u get it taken care of but try not to worry dont think its the bf..............
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