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My son is 3 and potty trained. This has just never been an issue. If he needs to pee, we find a restroom. Same as I would do for myself.
If I wouldn't feel comfortable peeing somewhere I wouldn't let my dd (or ds if I had one) unless I was an emergency (and a park doesn't count)
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I can wait.

My DD who's 8 can wait.

My DS who's 2 can't wait.

For those who are offended by a very small child peeing in public. Don't you realize that by spending time overreacting to really insignificant issues we cheapen the fact that there is are so many more important things it this world that we shoud be offended by!

Like:

global warming
water quality
AIDS
genicide
child molestation
child pornography
endangered species
pesticide use

Just to name a few.
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Yeah.... but that's not what this thread is about.

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Peeing at a visible playground tree, especially an urban playground tree = yuck, and bad manners. At LEAST an effort should be made by the adult to stand there and try to block people's view, or at least look like they're trying to if it's just impossible to find a semi-secluded tree or bush.
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... and then she saw her friend's penis and was very curious. That part's OK -- I suppose she had to see one sometime, but I just wasn't prepared for it (though I guess few parents are prepared for that first big "reveal" of the opposite gender's "parts").
Please forgive me if your husband has had a terrible accident and his genitalia resembes that of a Ken doll, but...doesn't daddy have a penis?
My kids had the first big reveal during birth. And they've seen both my husband and I naked ever since. We take family showers to get out of the door fast, in an assembly line fashion and our newborns prefer to be held in the shower to flailing in the bath. They've used the words penis, vagina and vulva correctly from a very young age.

As for the peeing thing...If there is a clean, available restroom within a reasonable distance, they use it. If not, they pee on a tree.
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The key differences I think are population density/usage of the park (small urban park with 1000 visitors a day versus national park/camping type park with a few dozen visitors a day); and community norms or standards. Clearly the CA pic is of someone's backyard, not a public playground. So 3 kids pee there, no problem. My neighborhood, though, is 500-1000 children per day. They really can't all pee there. The population density makes it an entirely different ball of wax... or puddle of pee.

Community norms lead to social sanctions, or why the pee-in-the-bushes moms are all hanging out together. The one park I saw a consistent peeing habit in I consider lower class and we don't go there unless a friend has a strong desire to; and we wouldn't set up a playdate with a family that did regularly pee on the playground; etc.

OP-no, you're not the only one who thinks it gross and inappropriate.
OK, think about this. The majority of people who ever lived on this earth, since the beginning of time, didn't have access to plumbing and bathrooms . . . so where did they pee? Naturally, they are not going to pee where they live, they will do it outside where the ground can absorb it. Plumbing became a necessity when people started moving closer together in crowded cities and there became an issue with sanitation. But even in this case, we are not talking about some kids peeing in a city playground as an exception because they are small and can't hold it, we are talking about all the people living there, needing a place to pee/poop so that it wasn't lining the streets (that don't absorb it) causing a health hazard. Of course, most of us appreciate plumbing in our homes (I am lazy, I would have hated having to walk all the way outside to pee ).
Our parks have lots of trees and they have bathrooms too, but often either they are locked or a good distance away or just plain nasty. I don't know your park situations, or if clean bathrooms are available, but I would think if a few random kids (yes I say a few, because out of the 1000 kids that go there, only a handful will be there at any given time, and only a handful of them will need to pee when they are there . . . yes it adds up, but pee also evaporates, absorbs into the ground, and I know my kids pee far less than an adult does) anyway, my point . . . if peeing on the trees was a problem, then I would think the city would try to put a stop to it, put up signs etc or whatever. You have every right not to like it and to choose a park in a location where kids don't pee on trees. Just like I have the right to feel that it is no biggy and that those who don't like it are uptight

I am in one of those playgroups where the kids pee freely, usually behind a tree or bush (we never allow them to pee IN the playground or near people, though it does happen on accident from time to time). None of us smokes as in your other example (not that you are saying that all who pee freely do) in fact, our group is a 'natural family' group, filled with homebirthers, EC'ers, cloth diaper users, breastfeeders, co-sleepers, homeschoolers etc. and hey, we are very well educated, IMO non "low class" people, who are more concerned with our children's health and well being and with respecting them and teaching them to respect others (which is why we pee out of the way behind a tree instead of in the playground) than we are of what others think of us as people or what they think of how we do things (since most people in this world find what we do to be 'crazy' anyway ultimately we can't please everyone) None of us has an issue with something as natural as a child needing to pee in a natural place . . . outside. I guess that is why I am so surprised with the number of people on this thread here at Mothering, having a problem with it.

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I wish I could print out this whole thread to make all my friends laugh and laugh!! My husband ENCOURAGES my DH to pee on the trees at his farm for the nitrogen content. His master gardener dad taught him that, and certain species of trees and plants by the way...
But I live in the country and people pee outside. When my 9 year old daughter came home to tell me one of the kindergarden boys peed on the edge of the playground it was with gentle humor and understanding. She knew he was just takin care of business. She also knew he would learn not to do this pretty darn quickly.
I also think that using the term low class is incredibly offensive, rude and elitist. Not O.K.
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I also think that using the term low class is incredibly offensive, rude and elitist. Not O.K.
So what word(s) would be less offensive? But still have the same meaning of displaying a lack of etiquette? "Low class" is apparently considered horridly inappropriate. "No class" seems to be everywhere online, but I'm guessing anything with the word class in it is thought to be "classist." Apparently "class" is always defined by people here as "people having the same social or economic status" opposed to being related to "elegance in dress or behavior."

Rude? Tacky? Socially inappropriate? Tact-less? Inelegant? Crude?

Doesn't matter how much money you make, what your educational level, what you wear, or how crunchy you are, if you're *encouraging* your kids to pee on the *playground*, I will personally consider you crude/tacky/not someone to be friends with.

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That is disgusting.

I used to work with men who did this, and it was revolting, and so very very inappropriate. It's up there with ECing in your seat on a plane. NOT OK!
I haven't read this entire thread, but I just wanted to put in my two cents as an EC'er (since DS was about 10 months old). I've never EC'ed in an airplane seat, but I know (and like and respect) people who have. I have seen many babies and toddlers be EC'ed very discreetly into a wet bag or other portable container, with no exposure of their parts and no one nearby being any the wiser about what was going on. Why is it better to force a child who is capable of being pottied to instead soil his or her own clothing, subjecting both the child and caregiver to a messy diaper change in a tiny airplane bathroom? Sure, if the caregiver is capable of getting the baby into the bathroom in time to go in the toilet, great - but with babies, the amount of time you have to respond doesn't always lend itself to unbuckling seat belts, squeezing past the other passengers in your row, and standing in line to use a tiny lavatory.

As for peeing outside at a playground, I have to say that what I find disturbing is the lack of clean, functioning, unlocked public restrooms at many of the parks we frequent. I have found myself walking into porta potties, fully intending to help DS use them, and then turning right around and helping him pee outside on a tree because they were so disgusting and offered no opportunity for handwashing after use. Because we started EC before DS was walking, I got used to holding him "in position" to pee (holding him under the thighs, so that he's in a squatting position with his back against my chest). Even though he's almost 3 years old now, that's what I still do when we're outside, because it enables me to shield him from view and make sure that his pants don't get pee on them (which happens routinely when he stands to pee). The same could be done as easily, if not more easily, with a girl.

Basically, I feel like if the parent is assisting the child to pee in an appropriate location (given the options), I have no problem with it. To me, a tree or bush on the outskirts of the playground, away from where most of the play happens, is an appropriate location if there is no restroom readily available (and I don't include bathrooms in stores across the street within my definition of "readily available"). Kids simply don't have the same capacity to wait, so the choice is often to either help them pee on a bush, or watch helplessly as they pee their pants where they stand. Oh, and speaking of which, I have seen enough kids pee their pants accidentally at the park to know that there's pee pretty much everywhere (in the sandbox, in the grass, you name it) - I consider it to be a public service to at least get my DS away from the central play areas before he pees.

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I don't see it as a big deal. My best friend (who is in his twenties) still sometimes goes outside rather than to the actual bathroom at night. Technically, it is a lot closer.

But anyway- I don't think there's anything wrong with it. Sometimes I wish I had the...ability

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See, it's interesting, because I am not germphobic--in fact, those women who hover and then PEE ON THE SEAT in public restrooms because their sainted bottoms are too good for the toilet are at the top of my pet peeve list.

I've had to stop and think about it, and I think my objection comes from several places:

1. I think doing this regularly (as opposed to in an emergency, and in particular because you have a germ-phobia of public restrooms) gives the impression that public decorum and manners are less important than your kid being able to be "free" and for you to be spared any inconvenience. And also, there's kind of this attitude of "How could anyone be offended by the sight of my precious babe's genitalia?" That sort of thing. It strikes me as me-first.

2. It does seem to be waaay more common for boys to be doing this than girls, and I don't think it's all because of the technical issues. I think there's some weird "boys will be boys and their penises have needs" thing going on here. I also find that moms seem to find naked boykids "cute" and giggleworthy in a particular way that really differs from their attitude towards naked girlkids. It's kind of like, "Oh look at the wee man and his weewee!" for boys, but "Honey, that's dirty, put your clothes on" for girls.

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Doesn't matter how much money you make, what your educational level, what you wear, or how crunchy you are, if you're *encouraging* your kids to pee on the *playground*, I will personally consider you crude/tacky/not someone to be friends with.
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While I agree that you'll see more boys peeing on trees mostly because it's physically easier for them than girls, and also the "boys will be boys" attitude, I think there may also be a third reason - my boys were VERY difficult to potty train, my daughter was easy. If my daughter announces she has to pee, she can usually wait a short while until we get to a restroom. With my boys, you had about 90 seconds, tops, before they wet their pants. After changing wet clothes literally hundreds of times, you will take any chance you have to keep their pants dry. Maybe my children aren't typical, but there definitely seems to be differences in nighttime bed-wetting between boys and girls and I bet there are differences in day-time bladder control between toddler boys and girls also.

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So what word(s) would be less offensive? But still have the same meaning of displaying a lack of etiquette? "Low class" is apparently considered horridly inappropriate. "No class" seems to be everywhere online, but I'm guessing anything with the word class in it is thought to be "classist." Apparently "class" is always defined by people here as "people having the same social or economic status" opposed to being related to "elegance in dress or behavior."

Rude? Tacky? Socially inappropriate? Tact-less? Inelegant? Crude?

Doesn't matter how much money you make, what your educational level, what you wear, or how crunchy you are, if you're *encouraging* your kids to pee on the *playground*, I will personally consider you crude/tacky/not someone to be friends with.

If you mean rude and crude, say rude and crude. When you use the term "low class" or "lower class" instead, you are saying that lower socioeconomic level = rude & crude. If you use the term "low class" to mean "lacking in elegance in dress or behavior", you are saying that people who are of a lower socioeconomic level are lacking in elegance in dress or behavior. This concept can be extrapolated to many other racial, cultural, ethnic and religious slurs.

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1. I think doing this regularly (as opposed to in an emergency, and in particular because you have a germ-phobia of public restrooms) gives the impression that public decorum and manners are less important than your kid being able to be "free" and for you to be spared any inconvenience. And also, there's kind of this attitude of "How could anyone be offended by the sight of my precious babe's genitalia?" That sort of thing. It strikes me as me-first.

2. It does seem to be waaay more common for boys to be doing this than girls, and I don't think it's all because of the technical issues. I think there's some weird "boys will be boys and their penises have needs" thing going on here. I also find that moms seem to find naked boykids "cute" and giggleworthy in a particular way that really differs from their attitude towards naked girlkids. It's kind of like, "Oh look at the wee man and his weewee!" for boys, but "Honey, that's dirty, put your clothes on" for girls.
1) for us, and for our friends who do the same, it is not about *mom*, it is about respecting our kids and their need to relieve themselves in a timely fashion. most of us in our FNL mom's group practice EC with our little ones, and this is an extension of that. it's responding to your child's need to eliminate rather than forcing them to eliminate in their pants. to me, *that's* what seems really selfish and mom-centric. ignoring your child's need to eliminate and then changing his/her diaper on *your* schedule is about listening to your own needs and desires, not about watching your child's cues and responding to their needs accordingly. honestly, it truly grosses me out that moms would rather stick their older toddlers in diapers and force the kid to soil him/herself than have to deal with helping them to pee outside.

2)this may be true for some, but definitely not me. i still occasionally use the EC hold for my 4 yo DD if we can't get to a potty (she hasn't perfected a squat yet, which we do work on when we're camping). but she's been PL'd since she was about 26 months, so it's usually possible for her to hold it till we get to a potty these days. when it wasn't, i popped DS on my back in the MT, and helped her pee in the bushes same as i do now for DS, because the option was wet pants and an upset kid, or forcing them to wear diapers when we were out so i didn't have to deal with it. my kids can usually tell me how urgent it is and whether it's an imminent accident or something we have time to address and we go from there. but no way am i going to let my kid soil themselves if i can possibly avoid it. accidents happen, but never because of me saying, sorry kid, hold it or piss in your pants cuz we're not peeing in the bushes.
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1) for us, and for our friends who do the same, it is not about *mom*, it is about respecting our kids and their need to relieve themselves in a timely fashion. most of us in our FNL mom's group practice EC with our little ones, and this is an extension of that. it's responding to your child's need to eliminate rather than forcing them to eliminate in their pants. to me, *that's* what seems really selfish and mom-centric. ignoring your child's need to eliminate and then changing his/her diaper on *your* schedule is about listening to your own needs and desires, not about watching your child's cues and responding to their needs accordingly. honestly, it truly grosses me out that moms would rather stick their older toddlers in diapers and force the kid to soil him/herself than have to deal with helping them to pee outside.

2)this may be true for some, but definitely not me. i still occasionally use the EC hold for my 4 yo DD if we can't get to a potty (she hasn't perfected a squat yet, which we do work on when we're camping). but she's been PL'd since she was about 26 months, so it's usually possible for her to hold it till we get to a potty these days. when it wasn't, i popped DS on my back in the MT, and helped her pee in the bushes same as i do now for DS, because the option was wet pants and an upset kid, or forcing them to wear diapers when we were out so i didn't have to deal with it. my kids can usually tell me how urgent it is and whether it's an imminent accident or something we have time to address and we go from there. but no way am i going to let my kid soil themselves if i can possibly avoid it. accidents happen, but never because of me saying, sorry kid, hold it or piss in your pants cuz we're not peeing in the bushes.

: ECing puts lots of thngs in a different light.

Keeping children in nappies til they are older is a real issue I think and makes children's elimination unacceptable and 'hidden' kind of thing.

I used to go to the park every Wednesday morning with friend and her son who was the same age as dd and though she was potty happy at 18 months he was still in nappies at age 4. Every single wednesday morning that poor boy would poo in his nappy at around 10.30am and his mum would let him keep playing til 11ish then put him in his pushchair and take him home - then I hope she changed him.

If he had pooed on the grass there would have been a right hoo-ha but having poo in his nappy for an hour isn't a problem. Society is mad.
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If he had pooed on the grass there would have been a right hoo-ha but having poo in his nappy for an hour isn't a problem. Society is mad.
Uh, no, society is aware that poop is germy and unpleasant to step in!

FWIW, I never left my CD'ed toddler in poop for anywhere near an hour. She used to fight me about changes all the time, though. That's what's a bit odd about the "diapering is horrid and mean to your child" POV for me--dude, obviously you've never tried to convince my kid to be changed! I WANTED to get her out of that wet or dirty dipe, believe me.

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Uh, no, society is aware that poop is germy and unpleasant to step in!
Ok I'm going a bit OT here but if he pooed on the grass, mum picked it up in a bag and took it home would that be ok? As I see it lots of children are carrying their poo home in a 'bag' stuck to their bums and it would be easier for their mums to carry it in a bag away from their skin.
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OK, let me get this straight... poop is germy and unpleasant to step in, but perfect acceptable to have squished up next to your child's delicate skin and genitals for an hour? you'd rather have it on your child than on the bottom of your shoe? : pardom me while i go :Puke
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In case of emergency I think it's ok. However, I tend to agree that I don't think this is something to be teaching boys to do.

although adults.. I live in an area that has tons of bars, clubs, restaurants and at times tons of people. At least a few times a week I see people peeing in public and the first thing I think is I live here and the last thing I want to see is you peeing Or my children to see you. It's not ok. Ewww.

Also, Kids peeing at a playground or any area where there are a big group of kids is a danger I think. Think of all the creepy adults who may be watching your child pee. In the age of digital cameras and cell phone camera's I'm also thinking this is a bad thing! I'm sorry but it's just not something I'm comfortable with. If it's an emergency... maybe, if it's not it should be done in a restroom or private area. Not in public.
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"If you mean rude and crude, say rude and crude. When you use the term "low class" or "lower class" instead, you are saying that lower socioeconomic level = rude & crude. If you use the term "low class" to mean "lacking in elegance in dress or behavior", you are saying that people who are of a lower socioeconomic level are lacking in elegance in dress or behavior. This concept can be extrapolated to many other racial, cultural, ethnic and religious slurs. "

Yes! I think this is preferable. This thread has some very interesting ideas wrapped throughout it. I think it has made a lot of people reflect on how we feel about some basic concepts. Fascinating!!
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Ok I'm going a bit OT here but if he pooed on the grass, mum picked it up in a bag and took it home would that be ok?
No, not for my DD. Her poop was still quite soft when she was in diapers and still nursing. It would have left a lot of residue on the grass.

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OK, let me get this straight... poop is germy and unpleasant to step in, but perfect acceptable to have squished up next to your child's delicate skin and genitals for an hour? you'd rather have it on your child than on the bottom of your shoe?
If you'd read my PP, you would have seen that I said I'd never left my DD in a poopy dipe for an hour (unless she was asleep and I was unaware).

But, yes, given the choice, I'd rather have my child's poop on my child's bum for 10 minutes than my child's poop all over the ground in a public place for the next week. Is this thread going to go down the "diapering is child abuse" road? Are we now in favor of pooping in public, too?

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Wow, what a thread! I'm not going to comment on the boy/girl thing. No matter, really. At this age this really doesn't bother me one bit, especially if it's helping to educate some younger kids.
To echo others, there is a huge difference between adults/older children being encouraged to pee publicly or doing it often. However, I'm not sure these kids/toddlers were encouraged to pee on a tree anyway, weren't they just allowed? And I don't think kids are always going around peeing everywhere, or that we have to worry about hundreds of toddlers peeing all over parks. This was a few kids who were peeing on a tree for fun. At this age I think it's more about the need and learning, it's interesting for the smaller kids too.

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It's an innocent thing that they'll soon outgrow, not a big deal and IMO, certianly not "inappropriate, disgusting or gross". They're children for crying out loud.
Yep, I agree. Children and innocence need to be protected. If it becomes a 'habit' that needs to be dealt with later. I don't really know too many people with this 'habit' though.

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i hate to break to you all, but squirrels, chipmunks, birds, stray cats, possibly rats and other animalia who frequent public parks are rarely, if ever, toilet trained (though i'm sure there's a You Tube video somewhere to prove me wrong). there is likely pee and poop on said tree and surrounding leaves, sticks and other things your child might pick up and even put in his/her mouth.

this thread is really too much

it is our obsession with cleanliness in this culture which is largely responsible for increasingly virulent strains of all kinds of diseases. and there have actually been studies, i believe there was one in Germany (can't remember, saw it on a PBS documentary a while back) that showed that kids who grew up on farms and were exposed regularly to small amounts of fecal matter, dirt and germs were healthier, less likely to have allergies, and had stronger immune systems than their clean-living urban and suburban counterparts.
Yes, it's a dirty, dirty world. That's why we wash our hands. And that's why we're going to start selling dirt on ebay.

To finish up, I"m going to share a little story even I was mildly shocked by. Down at my inlaws' farm one of the employees' young, potty-learning boy squatted down in the middle of the driveway to poop. (He often runs around naked in the summer) His mother calls out, 'Johnny! Not there! Go in the grass!'

Rural Ontario, Canada. We're truly 'backwoods' up here, to put it nicely.
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Very interesting thread! When DS1 was a baby and I saw toddlers peeing (both boys and girls, equally) at our apartment complex's playground I used to be really grossed out (they used a tree, not the playground equipment, but I still thought it was really inappropriate). But now that DS1 is potty learning, I see it as a necessity. I still feel kind of bad when we have to use a public place, for some of the reasons mentioned (mainly that I think it is disrespectful to the people around us) but I also think it is necessary to the potty learning process for DS. I hope the people around us understand that he's just a little kid trying to train his bladder, not trying to be offensive to others. We try to be discreet as much as possible, but, yes, DS uses a tree/bush/gutter about once a day. It would be counterproductive to keep him in diapers when he is at this point in the PL process-- he can hold it for a long time but rarely knows ahead of time that he has to go. FTR, I'd do the same for a daughter.

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i'd rather she not run thru someone's pee, kid or dog. that's why there are no dogs allowed in our park.
I'm sure there are raccoons that frequent the park at night, birds go all over the place, squirrels do their business wherever and all the other animals that roam the park pee on the grounds as well. It isn't just the dogs you have to worry about.

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This is so normal where I live in Asia. Boys and girls both do it. If there's no nature around they tend to do it in drains. Girls are held over the grass/drain/whatever so that the pee doesn't get on their clothing or feet. It doesn't bother me at all. That said, I have never seen a kid poop in public and don't really want to.
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Ok - The park in question does not have a bathroom? There is no way I would go across the street to take my child to a public bathroom at an establishment where I felt I had to buy something to use it. They aren't there for the park bathroom. The park should put one in. Of course if the park put a port-a-potty in, I'd still let my DS pee on a tree.

There is a difference between a grown man peeing on a tree in public and a child. A BIG difference. You can't compare the two. It isn't indecent exposure (crime) when a 3YO does it.

My DS does this and normally by the time I catch him at the park doing it, it's too late. He knows to go to the bathroom in public establishments, and asks, but when he is at a park, he just goes when nature calls. Then the girls try to do what he did. The mom's don't care.

This country can be kind of prude when it comes to awareness of the body. If you have a problem with it, then you have to deal with it, but mom's will continue to let their children pee on trees in parks when there are no bathrooms around. It's dangerous for a child to hold it long (can cause UTIs), and they can't hold it long. I'd rather them pee on a tree than pee in their pants.

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I have no prob seeing little boys pee against a tree and don't feel disgusted by the idea. Since I just don't see grown men doing this at all ever, I don't sense a growing dilemma but don't deny it could encourage an adult rogue urinator. We own a little plastic container with a flat bottom called a Little John with an adapter called Lady J for when you need to #1 in inconvenient places. My boys (even the smaller one), really like using the Little John, and it has helped us on on numerous occassions outside of hiking/camping. I think I found it either at Cabela's or Campmor. Btw, it is perfectly easy and unmessy for an adult woman to use inside a minivan with minimal undressing.
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There's also this: http://www.packinpotty.com/packinpotty.html

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Since I just don't see grown men doing this at all ever, I don't sense a growing dilemma but don't deny it could encourage an adult rogue urinator.
They don't do it sober. Alcohol makes 'em do it.
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