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Old 12-07-2007, 06:58 PM
 
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But to some of us, 68 is VERY warm.

I break out in hives at 70, 68 is dripping in sweat and a bright red face.

Yet to me at 68 I'm in a heavy sweater, and bitching loudly about the cold.
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Yet to me at 68 I'm in a heavy sweater, and bitching loudly about the cold.
im in long sleeves and my hands are cold, but im not FREEZING. i like our apt to sit around 70. any lower and ds gets blue hands.
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Yes, it is hard of the heating system to drop the temp if people jack it up once they get home or feel cold. As opposed to keeping the temp about the same temp and layering your clothes as needed.
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Yes, it is hard of the heating system to drop the temp if people jack it up once they get home or feel cold. As opposed to keeping the temp about the same temp and layering your clothes as needed.
If you have a heat pump, possibly.

For all other heating systems, that's a myth. It *costs* more because it burns fuel, but it doesn't harm the heating system when the thermostat causes it to trip and come on.

Its also a myth that it costs more to heat from a lower temp after being turned down than it costs to keep the house at the higher temp the whole time.

There are plenty of credible websites, ranging from energy conservation agencies to power companies to engineering firms, that offer the numbers to confirm this.

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Yep our gas company agrees that it is better to turn the heat down too.

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Thermostat setting has little to do with outside temp.
But setting it at 60F/15c is the same deal *inside* the house whether it is -40/-40 outside or much warmer.
It just means that inside the house the furnace will work to maintain 15C degrees - or as close to that as possible.
The outside temp is irrelevant, except that it determines how fast the house will cool and how often the furnace has to fire.

True.
And yes, humidity has a LOT to do with how hot it feels.

When I lived in Wisconsin, the humid summers were unbearable, with 1--% humidity.
The wind chill was terribly freezing because there are no mountains to slow the wind down in WI, but that only affects you if you are in the wind, i.e. outside, not inside your house.

It's not nearly as humid here as it was in WI, but it's not terribly dry, either.
I do have to run the humidifier in the bedroom in the winter, but haven't needed it this winter yet. This has been a weird winter, though, almost no snow at all, and right now it's 34 degrees (F). Very warm for winter in Alaska.

We live in a drafty mobile home, so the furnace kicks on frequently in order to maintain whatever temp I set it at. I usually have it around 68-70 when I'm awake, and down to 65 at night. My daughters are little furnaces in their sleep, and so am I.

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Maybe they are concerned with mold issues. If you have your heater up, that is generating a lot of dry heat, and the windows being open would allow the moisture in... I didn't look to see where you live, but I live in the Northwest and we have a lot of mold issues. Especially in the wetter months, we try to keep the air somewhat dry inside to avoid the mold marathon.

Just a thought....
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I was just thinking of this thread today! We have -20C temps and strong gusty wind all day. All my heaters are set at 20C and I'm cold! Brrr!!! Normally we're snuggly warm but this chilly wind is finding it's way in somehow. : Time to add extra quilts to windows and buy weatherstripping.
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I have lived in New England, and now I live in Georgia. I have never been able to stand heat or high humidity. I am uncomfortably hot if the temperature is over 70, unless the humidity is low. I am most comfortable at 60-65, but my husband freezes at anything below 78.
Bless your poor heart (that is NOT sarcastic!). How in the WORLD do you manage Georgia summers? I've lived here my whole life and do fine with the heat/humidity. I don't know how ANYBODY survives the cold y'all are talking about in Canada. :

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I don't know how ANYBODY survives the cold y'all are talking about in Canada. :
Ain't that the truth! I'm cold when it's less than 80 degrees! I can't even fathom how the peeps up in CA and the UP and Maine and the like deal with winter. Now Miami, FL is my kind of place ...
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And another one bites the dust. Management must be really "nice". OUr current LL just quit. We keep getting notices in our mailbox about it. We're on our 4th (or 5th?) LL this year. Yikes! Can you see why it's impossible to get answers sometimes? That's why I've just decided to ignore them unless they're pounding on my door.
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I think the reason why it feels so much colder inside when it's colder outside, despite the thermostat setting, is that few houses are evenly heated. The area next to the heater (where, stupidly enough, most thermostats are located) may be a comfy 68 degrees (or whatever), but farther away it's 66, or 64, or 62 and so on. When it's 66 degrees outside, the heater will kick on occasionally and no part of the house will be cooler than 66. When it's -20, the heater will kick on frequently and the drafty spots in the house will be far colder.
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We live in a largish apartment building with about 32 apartments. A notice was just put up saying that during the winter months we *have* to keep our windows closed and all our heaters at MIN 20C. (I guess that's 68F).

For some reason this just bothers me. What if I'm hot? What if I want fresh air? DH smokes : so sometimes I open our balcony door to air out. Also, I never have the heater on in our bedroom because 1) our bed is in front of it and 2) it dries the air so it's hard on the throat when sleeping. We have electric heaters.

What's the deal with this? Can you think of any possible explanation? I'd just ask the LL but they're impossible to reach. It's the first time it was ever mentioned and this is my 5th winter here. :
My grandmother is a landlord/owner of a small apartment building in Ontario with electric baseboard heaters ( although she pays the hydro). The reason your building managment has to make these request is because of my highlighted part above. With the baseboard heaters it gets very cold easily in between the walls and the floors where the water pipes run. If there is a pipe burst and the heat is very low/off around that area the insurance company will NOT cover the damage. That is why the minimum. Even though it may be 20 in your apartment it is not in between the floors! We have had 2 pipes burst in the last 2 years and believe me it is not fun. It is usually the hot water pipes that burst because of the drastic temp difference off and on. When one of them bursts the entire area is filled with hot water and steam covering everything not to mention the bill for all of that hot water lost. ALl of this has happened in my grandmas appartment twice now and that is with her keeping the heat on. For goodness sakes please just listen to them and keep the thermostat up.
I am also not sure but if they have given you notice to keep the temp up and you have it off I would imagine if something happened the insurance company might be able to come after you ( I am not sure)
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Our thermostat is set to 63. It wavers between 62-64. I am a person who is always : , however I wanted to give it a try. Much to my surprise I am warmer at this temp with a sweater and slippers on (and getting up to move about) then I was when the heat was at 70+ . Going outside is not such a shock to the system anymore (still feel colder out there though)and we have not gotten sick with the last 3 orounds of germs that have gone through our circle of family and friends.

I turned the heat up for christmas but now we will probably get sick

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That's why I've just decided to ignore them unless they're pounding on my door.
Well, considering the rule was from the now departed LL, I would ignore it.

I also have electric heat and live in an apartment building with 3 sections (3 floors) that total 18 units. Since each room has a t-stat, I can easily control which room is heated. It's off in the kitchen and second br (my dd doesn't sleep in there). I keep it low in the lr and br when we're not home. So when it is cold out, I don't feel too guilty about turning it up a bit when we're in the lr hanging out. I do keep the br cool as I don't like to sleep in real hot temps.

As far as the dry air, I use a humidifier. Also, check out www.vermontcountrystore.com. They sell trough-like things that hang on baseboard heaters. You fill them with water and they use the heat of the heater to distribute moisture into the air. Really cool! When the humidity of the room is higher, you can keep the temp lower in the room because moist air holds heat better than dry air.

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My grandmother is a landlord/owner of a small apartment building in Ontario with electric baseboard heaters ( although she pays the hydro). The reason your building managment has to make these request is because of my highlighted part above. With the baseboard heaters it gets very cold easily in between the walls and the floors where the water pipes run. If there is a pipe burst and the heat is very low/off around that area the insurance company will NOT cover the damage. That is why the minimum. Even though it may be 20 in your apartment it is not in between the floors! We have had 2 pipes burst in the last 2 years and believe me it is not fun. It is usually the hot water pipes that burst because of the drastic temp difference off and on. When one of them bursts the entire area is filled with hot water and steam covering everything not to mention the bill for all of that hot water lost. ALl of this has happened in my grandmas appartment twice now and that is with her keeping the heat on. For goodness sakes please just listen to them and keep the thermostat up.
I am also not sure but if they have given you notice to keep the temp up and you have it off I would imagine if something happened the insurance company might be able to come after you ( I am not sure)
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Just because the heater is off in the bedroom, doesn't mean the temp is -20 in there. When I turn the heater on, it clicks on around 16-18. And I'm sure your grandmother is a very nice woman, but the people who own this building (and a couple hundred others between here and Montreal) are a bunch of money grubbing *insert ugly swears here*. It is bad enough having to live in a building where nobody cares about you or listens to you, I'm not going to make myself EVEN MORE uncomfortable just to make them happy. There's a reason we've had 4-5 LL's in the past YEAR. The owners are horrible people.

I can not wait for the day I leave this building.

PS, thanks for all the helpful comments, but I am so over this topic.

ETA: your granny should look into insulating her building better.
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I think your reply was a little snippy. She was merely pointing out the legal and insurance reasons the LL has to issue this message and also the legal and monetary ramifications it could cost you if you don't follow it. But if you dont mind a pipe or two bursrting, ruining your belongings and you being footed with the repair bill, go right ahead and lower your heat.
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I think your reply was a little snippy. She was merely pointing out the legal and insurance reasons the LL has to issue this message and also the legal and monetary ramifications it could cost you if you don't follow it. But if you dont mind a pipe or two bursrting, ruining your belongings and you being footed with the repair bill, go right ahead and lower your heat.
Now who's being snippy?

Yes I was snippy and on Christmas Day too!

To Mommy2twobabes: I'm sorry I was snippy. But I was being serious, if your Grandmothers' building is STILL having problems with pipes bursting EVEN WITH the temperature at 20C, she should really see about insulating her floors or pipes. I'm no specialist, but it seems like the problem runs deeper. Normal buildings don't have problems with pipes bursting when the home is at a comfortable temperature.


I don't know, this thread exhausts me and I'm tired of being told to think about the poor owners of the building.

You know, those people who:
Took 5 weeks and repeated calls to fix the tub faucet when the hot water handle literally FELL OFF and I had to have cold showers or pour hot water from the sink into the tub.

Who took the lazy way out of fixing a leak in our roof so that it leaked THREE times dripping through my smoke alarm (hooked up electrically) causing it to beep forever till we found the breaker. And stained our bathroom ceiling (still not painted) It happened 3 years ago and they still haven't properly patched the hole they cut in the ceiling.

We have other misc holes in the wall that they never bothered to fix but they promised to get right on it when we signed the lease.

They still haven't changed our lock on our front door even though our keys keep getting stuck in it. When we mentioned it to the last LL, she said yeah! I'll get right on it! That happened to someone else and their key broke right off in there! (It's our only door to access our apartment.)

The list goes on and on... do you need more examples of why I don't care about them? If you want your tenants to treat you and your building with respect, try treating them with respect.
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how about thinking of your own pocketbook if a pipe bursts, can you afford to have to pay to fix it and replace your own damaged belonings?
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Actually, I live where the OP lives. I am very familiar with landlord tenant laws here and they cannot legally ask those things of their tenants.

I would be sweltering at that temperature. I also open the windows occasionally for fresh air. People have a legal right to be comfortable in their home, at least where we live.

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Actually, I live where the OP lives. I am very familiar with landlord tenant laws here and they cannot legally ask those things of their tenants.

I would be sweltering at that temperature. I also open the windows occasionally for fresh air. People have a legal right to be comfortable in their home, at least where we live.
Plus, if the OP has a lease, the heat "mandate" would not be enforceable unless it's in the lease that she signed. Just like the OP can't change her rent amount just because she feels like it, the LL can't change the lease terms in the middle of the lease term. In the absence of a clause discussing this issue in her lease, her provincial and/or city laws would come into play. And I doubt there are any laws restricting window opening!
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But to some of us, 68 is VERY warm.

I break out in hives at 70, 68 is dripping in sweat and a bright red face.
I am chuckling at this conversation---you break out at 70 because you are to hot. I break out at 68 because I am too cold. Being heat sensitive sucks!! Either direction you go.
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Just because the heater is off in the bedroom, doesn't mean the temp is -20 in there. When I turn the heater on, it clicks on around 16-18. And I'm sure your grandmother is a very nice woman, but the people who own this building (and a couple hundred others between here and Montreal) are a bunch of money grubbing *insert ugly swears here*. It is bad enough having to live in a building where nobody cares about you or listens to you, I'm not going to make myself EVEN MORE uncomfortable just to make them happy. There's a reason we've had 4-5 LL's in the past YEAR. The owners are horrible people.

I can not wait for the day I leave this building.

PS, thanks for all the helpful comments, but I am so over this topic.

ETA: your granny should look into insulating her building better.
We have looked into insulating better but the people who built the building made that pretty well impossible
I know that it is not -20 in the bedroom but between the floor boards ( ie your celling and the person above your apartments floor) it can get really cold. Base board heaters don't spread the heat well. I wasn't saying it just out of concern for you land lord ( I know some of then can be really aweful and deserve whatever tey get) but your possesions and apartment as well as your neighbours. It is a really aweful thing to go through in the winter when a pipe bursts and you have steam and scalding hot water shooting through your celling.

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Now who's being snippy?

Yes I was snippy and on Christmas Day too!

To Mommy2twobabes: I'm sorry I was snippy. But I was being serious, if your Grandmothers' building is STILL having problems with pipes bursting EVEN WITH the temperature at 20C, she should really see about insulating her floors or pipes. I'm no specialist, but it seems like the problem runs deeper. Normal buildings don't have problems with pipes bursting when the home is at a comfortable temperature.


I don't know, this thread exhausts me and I'm tired of being told to think about the poor owners of the building.

You know, those people who:
Took 5 weeks and repeated calls to fix the tub faucet when the hot water handle literally FELL OFF and I had to have cold showers or pour hot water from the sink into the tub.

Who took the lazy way out of fixing a leak in our roof so that it leaked THREE times dripping through my smoke alarm (hooked up electrically) causing it to beep forever till we found the breaker. And stained our bathroom ceiling (still not painted) It happened 3 years ago and they still haven't properly patched the hole they cut in the ceiling.

We have other misc holes in the wall that they never bothered to fix but they promised to get right on it when we signed the lease.

They still haven't changed our lock on our front door even though our keys keep getting stuck in it. When we mentioned it to the last LL, she said yeah! I'll get right on it! That happened to someone else and their key broke right off in there! (It's our only door to access our apartment.)

The list goes on and on... do you need more examples of why I don't care about them? If you want your tenants to treat you and your building with respect, try treating them with respect.
I should have explained that the pipe burst happened because it runs near an outside wall and the radiant heat from the other rooms of the apartment ( it is in a hall with no heater) surrounding it was not enough to keep it from freezing. We have insulated the pipe as this has happened twice now.
I was just trying to say not to turn off the heaters altogether and to even keep them on lowso you are not liable.
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