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I know people avoid Horizon because they are questionable. What other companies that claim to be green or organic do you avoid? Why?

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barbara's Bakery (found in most health food stores) isn't really that great. I can't name them off hand but they put some crappy ingredients in their food.

I'm always iffy of the mainstream brands that pop up with some organic label. I like to stick with eating seasonal veggies and buying them from our wonderful local farm, we buy grass fed beef from the same farm that some friends of ours raises and then I have my main brands that I buy like EnviroKids cereal or Kashi, Cascadian Farms, etc.
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Oh no, what's wrong with Horizon?

Personally, I'm not a fan of Method. I got all excited when I heard they were making a baby care line but they went and put SLS in everything. :

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If you look into the corporate "families" of most of the natural/organic brands you will find that the vast majority of them are owned by enormous mainstream pesticide lovin', gmo promoting food companies that are full of trans fats and high fructose corn syrup.

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If you look into the corporate "families" of most of the natural/organic brands you will find that the vast majority of them are owned by enormous mainstream pesticide lovin', gmo promoting food companies that are full of trans fats and high fructose corn syrup.
Completely agree Vancouver Mommy, it's rather astounding to realize that it's quite difficult to purchase anything without it being owned by some corporate giant. I really try to support local and small businesses whenever I can.

Not to rain on anyone's parade, but here's a site I came across awhile ago if you want to know who owns who:

http://www.cornucopia.org/images/Who...ChartAug06.pdf :

And if you're worried about what goes in your food, make sure you read, read, read labels. Even some companies that are supposed to be organic and natural still put poo-poo stuff in their foods.

If you're interested in a company's track record when it comes to being environmentally and socially responsible, Co-op America's website also gives you a report on many large companies http://www.coopamerica.org/programs/rs/

I recently found out that Burt's Bees was bought by The Clorox Company : and so I'm giving them up.
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While I don't think they're bad in any sense, I avoid Frontier, because I can get pretty much everything they sell from a locally owned herb shop, where the herbs are fresher, and I get to hang out with the owner and chat.

Rule of thumb for me is I'll buy it from a locally owned place first.
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Burt's Bees was recently bought out by Clorox. I don't know much about the Clorox company but I can only imagine. Anyone have the scoop on Clorox? I've used Burt's Bees on all 3 of my kids & the smell of their lotion brings back so many memories....but I'm probably switching when this last bottle runs out. Tell me something wonderful about Clorox so I don't have to!

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Not to rain on anyone's parade, but here's a site I came across awhile ago if you want to know who owns who:

http://www.cornucopia.org/images/Who...ChartAug06.pdf :
Great link, thanks. We are finding the only way to be comfortable with our food is to eat whole and local. Now I need to research my health products...
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Hain Celestial owns everyone it seems. They seem to own all the brands I use regularly. I see from the chart that they have a strategic alliance with Heinz. I wonder what that actually means.
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Wow, that chart really makes me want to go even more local!

I avoid seeds of change and horizon.
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I avoid companies that prey on environmentalist standards but are really just abusers such as the 'Sea Pearl' ( the killing of sponges to stuff up your yoni... people. Anyone who sells those is also off my list which is sad because Glad Rags WAS my favorite company!!
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I avoid Horizen. I no longer buy Burts Bees or Toms of Maine.

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Cascadian farms. Owned by general mills (I believe correct me if I'm wrong), but the main reason I avoid is I just don't like the taste/quality of their products.
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Cascadian farms. Owned by general mills (I believe correct me if I'm wrong), but the main reason I avoid is I just don't like the taste/quality of their products.
yep the are, I avoid them too.. but I do love their honey o's :-x Also Tom's b/c of their SLS, except DH loves their deodorant and thats the most natural one he'll use. Also Method - which is sad since its so available, but they don't really disclose their ingredients, & have some questionable things including fragrance.

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Great link, thanks. We are finding the only way to be comfortable with our food is to eat whole and local. Now I need to research my health products...
I completely agree that the only way to be comfortable is to eat whole and local. We just joined a local CSA that starts this June and I am really excited about it.
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By the way I almost forgot.

There is also the Enviromental Working Group's cosmetic safety database: http://www.cosmeticsdatabase.com/index.php?nothanks=1

Do make sure you read through the all the ingredients of a product you are looking up and just don't take a low hazard rating at face value. Certain ingredients you may not like having in your products may be considered a low hazard.

Interestingly quite a few of Burt's Bees products ranked higher on hazards due to fragrance and natural unspecified flavors they stick in their products. And there are definitely certain Burt's products I just can't use because of the strong fragrance.
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Burt's Bees was recently bought out by Clorox. I don't know much about the Clorox company but I can only imagine. Anyone have the scoop on Clorox? I've used Burt's Bees on all 3 of my kids & the smell of their lotion brings back so many memories....but I'm probably switching when this last bottle runs out. Tell me something wonderful about Clorox so I don't have to!
I don't think there is anything wonderful about clorox. I'm pretty sure there isn't even enything decent we could say about Clorox. It's so sad to see these huge monster corporations eating up the smaller good companies- rumor has it most of them (Burt's Bees, Tom's, etc) were bullied into selling, too!

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Clorox "green works". Horizon. Kraft "organic".

Stick with as local as possible. Go for organic companies that have been around for a while and have a commitment to quality products and environmental sustainability.

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yep the are, I avoid them too.. but I do love their honey o's :-x Also Tom's b/c of their SLS, except DH loves their deodorant and thats the most natural one he'll use. Also Method - which is sad since its so available, but they don't really disclose their ingredients, & have some questionable things including fragrance.

What's wrong with SLS? What is it? Is that the only thing that makes tom's bad?
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Toms
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Horizon
Most things that claim to be UDSA certified though I do make exceptions when I dont have a choice (ie traveling with limited options)

There are also a few other companies, but cant think of them right now.
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Why Seeds of Change?

We avoid Horizon. I really like a lot of the Burt's Bees products, but I am cutting back on them now that Clorox has bought them. Same with Tom's of Maine (Colgate has them.) I also avoid the organic versions of more mainstream brands like Kraft, Heinz, etc...

We're also trying to buy more local brands- even ones that aren't necessarily organic. At my favorite local farmstand, they have a "chemical free" sign out for a lot of products we buy. The farms are too small to be able to afford the certified organic label, but their products are essentially organic.
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Yah, um ... Clorox "green works". Isn't that an oxymoron?

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Wow, this is so sad. I really need to dig around and get recs for good local companies around here. We're trying to buy more locally. I'm sad about Tom's of Maine. My dad has used their products for years. We use their toothpaste and I was using their deodorant until I realized it was making my pits smell like my husbands butt. I didn't know they were bought out buy Colgate.

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What about Seventh Generation? I was thinking about switching to their TP (family cloth is not an option for us).

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What about Seventh Generation? I was thinking about switching to their TP (family cloth is not an option for us).
My big gripe with them is their packaging. Their detergents and cleaners come in thick plastic bottles and their maxi pads come in plastic packing. I'm sure there are other options out there. I don't think they're an evil company, though. Their TP only comes in 2-ply so that may be a problem if you or your septic system prefer 1-ply.

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I mainly avoid Horizon. We don't consume too many food products from big corps b/c we buy a lot of local produce and meat. Being GF we're limited on what prepackaged items we can eat. I'm sooo bummed about Burt's Bees though, for us they are local. Fortunately I have found a natural soap company even closer, and they have a year round booth at our farmer's market.
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What's wrong with SLS? What is it? Is that the only thing that makes tom's bad?
I got the following from the Tom's website:
What is it?
Sodium lauryl sulfate (SLS) is a foaming agent naturally derived from coconut and/or palm kernel oil. SLS has a long history of safe use in a variety of consumer personal care products.
What does it do?
We use SLS in our toothpaste to properly disperse the ingredients and ensure easy rinsing.
What are the alternatives?
SLS is not the only foaming or dispersal agent available, but we believe it is the best choice due to its long history of safe use, its lack of odor or taste, and its low level of concentration in our products.
For those of our consumers who prefer to use a toothpaste without SLS, we also offer a line of SLS-free toothpastes which use glycyrrhizin, derived from licorice root, to foam and disperse ingredients:

They also said:

What are the risks?
We are well aware of the widespread Internet rumors regarding SLS and its use in shampoos, toothpaste, and other products. At Tom's we are concerned about the safety and efficacy of our products, so we take these rumors seriously. Specifically, we have heard claims that SLS is linked to cancer, cataracts, liver or kidney damage, and other maladies. These widespread rumors have been investigated by respected publications such as The Washington Post and The Berkeley Wellness Newsletter, both of which have called them a "sham" and a "hoax." The American Cancer Society has also created an information page debunking the claims. So rampant are these rumors that they are even addressed on the Urban Legends website, which provides additional reputable sources of information about SLS research.
We, too, have researched these claims extensively and have found them to be completely unsubstantiated. As formulated for cosmetic use, SLS has not been found to cause cancer in any recognized scientific research studies. When used in our toothpaste, SLS has limited contact with the gums and is then rinsed out.

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