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If it's an issue that's truly important to you then you should realize it will take more than your individual desire to do so. Nobody has ever changed the world (in a positive way, that is) by alienating others. You can recycle all you want, and boycott plastic water bottles all the livelong day, but your efforts will be wasted if your attitude turns others off of environmentalism altogether. To tell you the truth, your signature line is probably making someone twist off the cap of a 20 oz. Aquafina right now, just out of spite.
Funny! I'm driving them to drink out of plastic. How pathetic that is, if it is indeed true. I won't sugar coat the truth so I don't offend someone. I'm not into fairy tales.
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I'm hopelessly neat, but it doesn't bother me if I visit a house that's cluttered or messy. I only get uncomfortable if it's stinky.

I don't like it when people apologize for their houses not being tidy.
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<crying> how do I get rid of poopy smell in the carpet
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I also throw away any storage containers that get moldy. It happens rarely but in the deep recesses sometimes you forget something. Into the trash it goes. Dh tries to catch it before I notice though, he doesn't like it when I throw them away. I'm sure as heck not cleaning them though!
I do this on occasion, too.
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Wow, I would be afraid to have some of you over, ever
Me too. Unmade bed? No hand towel? OH, the horror! (lol)

It takes a lot for me to be grossed out. I don't care if your house is messy or even a little "dirty", as long as there is no human or pet waste, pet hair, mold, over-flowing trash, or funky smells I'll be fine. Bascially as long as it doesn't harm me, I really won't care how you keep your house.

I try not to judge that much, most of my friends have young children. I expect stained carpets, toys scattered, possible cookies/snacks hidden in random places (i can't have the only 14 month old who hides her snacks lol)

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You might want to rethink that attitude. We are actually having a problem with global warming and way too much garbage and pollution in this world! I go way out my way everyday to do good things for the environment and people like you just don't give a s**t. People like you make me ! Good for your DH at least someone is thinking in your household!

P.S. Reading your post makes me want to throw up!
How about I be polite and respond to you with a little dignity.

I'm well aware of the horrible state our planet is in. This is why I use all safe, biodegradeable cleaning products. This is why I do EC and cloth diapers. This is why I use reuseable menstrual products. This is why I use cloth towels instead of paper towels. This is why we buy organic. This is why we recycle. This is why we buy used things whenever possible.

I think my once weekly toilet scrubber puts me extremely low on my consumption and trash output compared to most other people.

But, really you'd reuse a container that had mold stains that wouldn't come out? (ETA: dh does the cleaning. I leave the room so I won't gag. Even if its stained he doesn't want to get rid of it though. He's the type to hold onto shirts that haven't fit him since 8th grade whereas I'd rather take them to the shelter or remake them into something else [I made a bunch of great baby lap Ts from his old shirts!]) I'd rather recycle it and let it be completely sanitized and used again. Good thing I keep my yogurt containers and glass jars so I have lots of reuseable containers and that I buy from companies that make their containers with reuse and recycling in mind.

Be careful with your assumptions and stone throwing.

I prefer to assume the best of people rather than jump to the worst possible conclusion.

I know lots of people that think cloth diapers are gross. I don't judge them, they handle what they can handle. Instead I focus my energy explaining where they can find non-toxic and biodegradeable disposable diapers. And helping them find where they can buy them in bulk to save money. That seems a lot better than calling them names or berating them so that not only is my cloth diaper message lost but so is my message of organics, reusing, recycling, and more.

We are all here on Mothering.com which is a website geared towards natural family living and attachment parenting. No one here is the perfect earth mother (you included I'm sure) but we do the best that we can and for each of us that is a different level.

Every good thing we do for our bodies and earth counts! Celebrate the good and encourage each other to do more.

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dh does the cleaning. I leave the room so I won't gag. Even if its stained he doesn't want to get rid of it though.
If it stayed stained after cleaning, that would ick me out and I'd totally have to have a separate place for the stained ones, but I've found that sitting out in the bright sun for a few hours does wonders. (Also good with tomato stains!)
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I'd still throw up. I nearly throw up using my long handled disposable toilet cleaners.



I might be able to do that but I'd have to throw it away afterwards.

Our toilets don't actually have all the time rings. We do have hard water though and they require cleaning every 4 days or so which seems excessive for other places I've lived in which the bowl got cleaned 2 twice a month while the seat got wiped down more often. I know its just the water though as we have issues with our diapers too. Perhaps I should put calgon in the bowl

I also throw away any storage containers that get moldy. It happens rarely but in the deep recesses sometimes you forget something. Into the trash it goes. Dh tries to catch it before I notice though, he doesn't like it when I throw them away. I'm sure as heck not cleaning them though!
Sounded to me like you were proud of throwing them out. You didn't even say you recycled them. Single use disposable products (like your toilet bowl cleaner)are horrible for the environment. I'm sorry but that is a fact. It makes me mad they even sell things like that. It makes me angry that people can't see the environmental damage they cause when they buy and use things like that.
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I recycle like crazy, and even better, reduce my consumption. I don't use paper towels, kleenex, paper plates, plastic water bottles, plastic food storage, cleaning products etc.

But I will throw out moldy food containers in a heartbeat. Maybe once a year when some leftovers get missed in the back of the fridge.

I also use disposable toilet cleaning wands.

Nobody's perfect. I personally think that you can't reuse EVERYTHING.

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Regarding the pink stuff around the bathtub, I don't know why that happens, but when I lived in Georgia, my bathtub always turned pink, almost immediately after cleaning it. Anywhere water pooled at all would turn pink.
: I wonder if it has something to do with something like iron in the water? My grandparents had water with a lot of iron in it, and everything turned orange/red ... not pink though.


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Funny! I'm driving them to drink out of plastic. How pathetic that is, if it is indeed true. I won't sugar coat the truth so I don't offend someone. I'm not into fairy tales.
It's entirely possible to be polite AND honest. Perhaps in a few years you'll embrace that, and your message will be accepted by more people.

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Sounded to me like you were proud of throwing them out. You didn't even say you recycled them. Single use disposable products (like your toilet bowl cleaner)are horrible for the environment. I'm sorry but that is a fact. It makes me mad they even sell things like that. It makes me angry that people can't see the environmental damage they cause when they buy and use things like that.

Mind if I ask where you bought your horse? Mine seems to be on the short side and I'm sure having a higher one would make being hagish easier.

The not so lovely quailty of forum posting is the ability of others to infer/assume certain meanings. We recycle. I often say "throw it out". I say that because everyone in my house knows what I mean. I, by default, would assume the same of anyone reading a post worded like that. Sadly though, readers can assume too. You have shown brillantly how that's done. If you had read one of megan's earlier posts you would have seen her use of reuseabe items was mostly in the bathroom with the occassional tupperware toss.

Hopefully when you're ready to get off your high horse someone will have a step stool ready for an easy dismount. Otherwise I hope when you're knocked off by someone else megan's reuseable toilet brushes break your fall.

ETA: In regards to your siggy...i'm guessing you live somewhere with excellent water. Lucky you.

This post brought to you by the honest fact that you're bugging me and I'm ornry. Have a nice day.

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So I didn't want to kill the thread....

I can handle most mess and dirt. I cannot handle dirty washer/dryer areas. The weird greyish gunk that builds up around them drives me crazy! Even if you don't have pets or lots of hair it seems to attract it. It's like a washers equivalent to super glue!

I also notice spots on mirrors. I can handle that if the rest of the bathroom is clean though.

Oh! And overflowing bathroom trashcans. I had a friend growing up and they were horrible about taking it out. 4 women in the house and once a month the bathrooms were atrocious since thy let the pads fill up and overflow. :Puke:

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I just want you all to know that this thread made me get up and clean my house. Seriously. Thanks... and CURSE YOU... hahaha! But my house is now like 5000 times cleaner. Woot!

My brothers house is completely disgusting. It smells bad, there is tons of dust everywhere, big sticky cobwebs, etc. Even when it is neatened up, it still smells bad and just *feels* dirty. I don't even know how to explain that. I don't know; but I have a dog and a baby and my house doesn't smell!

You know I do my best to recycle, reduce, reuse... but when I can't, I can't, and I find myself pondering the landfill near my home which has recently been converted into a golf course and neighborhood. I think if things are *properly disposed*, it's more important than being perfect with recycling.
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I found this thread really helpful today!

My sil was stopping by and I knew in advance. I'm 8 months pregnant and was really tired. I only scrubbed the toilet, emptied the sink, and vacuumed the floor (because she has an 8 month old). The rest I just left.
When she came in I told her, "I was too tired to clean up for you." She said she understood and she only has one child!

Mom of a 7 yr old, 4 yr old, and 1 yr old. Wow. How did that happen?
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i'm guessing you live somewhere with excellent water.
I highly recommend getting a sink filter to anyone in an area with bad-tasting water. I don't know that they're any good against contaminated water, but for flavor related problems, they make all the difference.
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Me too. Unmade bed? No hand towel? OH, the horror! (lol)
Doesn't have to be a hand towel. Just something clean and dry to dry my hands off on when I use your restroom. I'm only 99.999% of the time wearing something I'm willing to dry my hands on. But yeah, if it's a choice between something icky and nothing, choose nothing.
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I highly recommend getting a sink filter to anyone in an area with bad-tasting water. I don't know that they're any good against contaminated water, but for flavor related problems, they make all the difference.
So true! We don't have the sink thing, but we use a Brita water pitcher that filters tap water. Our tap water tastes NASTY, but that thing makes all the difference, it tastes great!!

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Funny that's why I wrote my first post!

You have every right to your opinion just as I have every right to mine. As for our water quality here. I thought maybe I would try and save it for my children BEFORE it gets disgusting. Call me crazy I am in to preventative steps. It's not like pollution is a new phenonemon. Perhaps if everyone wasn't using all kinds of disposable products then water everywhere would be cleaner? It is possible to fix the problems. People just have to educate themselves. Ignorance is not bliss.
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Newsflash ParisApril, the electricity you are using to spread hateful messages on the internet has futher reaching negative environmental impact than using a disposable toilet brush. How far are you willing to go to help the planet you love so much? Far enough to turn off the computer? Yeah, we all have our comfort levels

Megan's happens to be not reaching into a bowl where her whole family sh!ts, and I can respect that.

Yours happens to be that you love the environment a lot, but not enough to save electricity instead of insulting people on the internet


Anyway, this thread is enlightening. I don't mind a messy house but there is a line into gross (the dog licking the poopy pull up made me dry heave) that is too gross for me.
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Newsflash ParisApril, the electricity you are using to spread hateful messages on the internet has futher reaching negative environmental impact than using a disposable toilet brush. How far are you willing to go to help the planet you love so much? Far enough to turn off the computer? Yeah, we all have our comfort levels

Megan's happens to be not reaching into a bowl where her whole family sh!ts, and I can respect that.

Yours happens to be that you love the environment a lot, but not enough to save electricity instead of insulting people on the internet
I am actually using a used low energy laptop and I have made the effort to make sure my electricity comes from a renewable source.

Newsfash captain crunchy - Using a reuseable scrub brush to clean a toilet is not an unreasonable request. It uses less water, energy and non renewable resources.

Please stop encouraging me to keep writing. I could go on forever about the environment.
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You're unwillingness to admit that your post was overly harsh and assumptive makes it very hard to take anything you say seriously.

And no, a reusable toilet brush isn't unreasonable. It's just not a request you're entitled to make of another person.
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I just want you all to know that this thread made me get up and clean my house. Seriously. Thanks... and CURSE YOU... hahaha! But my house is now like 5000 times cleaner. Woot!

This is my reaction, too! I can't wait to get home and clean my house. No babies yet, but DH and I both work long hours at full-time jobs. By the time I get home on weeknights and cook dinner and clean up from dinner, I'm exhausted. On weekends I normally do all of the laundry and clean the house, but lately we've been using the weekends to work in our yard. Add a super shedding golden retriever mix to that situation, and my wood floors are embarrassingly furry. *sigh* There just aren't enough hours in the day and I'm starting to envy my neighbor who is a SAHM to one child and has a weekly cleaning lady.

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You can wear a rubber glove...like the kind made for cleaning that goes up to your elbow. I have a pair of those I break out when I have a yucky job to do. For the toilet (I had stains at the bottom of the bowl from when a rusty plumber's snake was used to clear a clog) I put on the glove, then used an empty yogurt cup to bail out all the water (poured it down the bathroom sink), then used the pumice stone to scrub the stain. Took off the glove when I was done and laid it out in the sun to dry.

Where do I get a pumice stone like this? Is it made especially for cleaning toilets? Does it ruin the finish? I would think it would make the pumiced areas all scratchy?!?!

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She also mentioned the 'pink gunk' she gets in her tub and sink. To this day, I'm still not sure what she was referring to. I'm actually kind of afraid.
We get this - it is from our hard water. Gross.
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Where do I get a pumice stone like this? Is it made especially for cleaning toilets? Does it ruin the finish? I would think it would make the pumiced areas all scratchy?!?!
Hardware store? Cleaning aisle at Target? I can't really remember where mine came from. I know I have seen them mounted on a plastic stick tho so you can keep your distance even a bit more. I'm not squeamish about the toilet tho, I put on a glove and do what I need to do and wash my hands after .

I get the pink/orange build-up in the bathroom as well, around the drain and a little bit in the tile grout. I used to think it was mineral buildup but I heard something on the radio that it's some kind of growth (bacteria? mildew? can't remember). Like, something in their air that settles wherever it's damp and then grows. I have sprayed it with diluted bleach and had it disappear, I don't think if it were mineral build-up the bleach would have that effect.

This page has a discussion about it, consensus seems to be it's a type of mold:

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Attitudes like that ParisApril, are so ineffective in making people rethink what they do. Someday you will learn this.

What you are basically telling people, is unless they can do everything, they should do nothing -- because what they *are* doing has so little value that they may as well do nothing... unless they live up to your standards. What a myopic world view, and one that has never been effective.
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Well this thread certainly took an interesting turn!

I throw away yucky food containers too. Sorry great-grandchildren. We also have very limited recycling here (corrugated cardboard, newspaper and aluminum cans only). So even if I did wash it out (thereby wasting potable water that we desperately need to conserve here in the desert), I'd throw it away anyway. I'm not proud of it, but I'm not going to let it keep me up at night either.

As for the actual topic of this thread. I'm like most everyone else. Messy is no big deal, but dirty bothers me. And this thread has inspired me to sweep and mop my floors, LOL!

I have an amusing story about unexpected visitors and extremely messy houses. This was a couple years ago, DS1 had just turned two and DS2 was a newborn. The piece of @$%! washing machine that we had at the time had broken down yet again in the middle of the wash cycle. I was trying to fix it with ds2 in a wrap on my back. In the meantime, ds1 had poured an entire box of Cheerios on the floor and scattered them through the kitchen and living room. There were toys everywhere. The dirty dishes from dinner the night before were still in the sink.

I'm swearing at the washing machine, frustrated to the hilt, with a screwdriver in one hand, a wrench in the other and a baby on my back when I hear a polite tap-tap at the back door. I look up to see my MIL standing there. I'm sure the look on my face was priceless. Turned out she needed to use the bathroom. It was the one and only time she arrived unannounced. She politely and noncholantly tip-toed around the Cheerios and somehow dodged the toys. To her credit, she didn't say a word and probably would have stayed and helped me clean up if she hadn't been in a hurry.

In the moment I was so frustrated by the washing machine that I didn't have it in me to be too bothered. I was pretty mortified later though! My only consolation was that at least the bathroom was clean!
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Attitudes like that ParisApril, are so ineffective in making people rethink what they do. Someday you will learn this.

What you are basically telling people, is unless they can do everything, they should do nothing -- because what they *are* doing has so little value that they may as well do nothing... unless they live up to your standards. What a myopic world view, and one that has never been effective.
I believe quite the contrary. I never said all or nothing. I've only said admit that you could be doing more.
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Who has any obligation to admit to you or anyone that they could be doing more though? I mean, wowzers.
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Well this thread certainly took an interesting turn!

I throw away yucky food containers too. Sorry great-grandchildren. We also have very limited recycling here (corrugated cardboard, newspaper and aluminum cans only). So even if I did wash it out (thereby wasting potable water that we desperately need to conserve here in the desert), I'd throw it away anyway. I'm not proud of it, but I'm not going to let it keep me up at night either.
This I'm afraid is where we are very different. I DO stay awake at night and worry about the future of my kids and grandchildren. Late night thinking has given me many great ideas. I try and use my energy in my real life to make positive changes to my community and country. Don't you think you could be doing something about the fact that your area doesn't recycle instead of just acceping it as fact? :
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Who has any obligation to admit to you or anyone that they could be doing more though? I mean, wowzers.
I don't need or want people to admit to me that they could be doing more. I just hope they will admit it to themselves.
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