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#91 of 108 Old 02-22-2009, 07:50 PM
 
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Heathens and Jews do their shopping on Sundays.

That sounds like bumper sticker. Or the beginning to a bad joke.

A Heathen and a Jew walked into a grocery store on a Sunday morning..........

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If everything was closed on Sundays, it would be horrible for Orthodox Jews. We don't go anywhere Friday afternoons and evenings and all day Saturdays, except maybe Saturday nights in the winters, when Shabbos ends earlier.

So what do you do if you work 5 days a week, have your Sabbath on a 6th day, and then the 7th day, the only day you're truly available for big shopping projects, the stores are all closed?
Yes. Growing up, we were Sabbath-keeping Christians, which meant no shopping from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday... not being able to get things on Sunday was annoying at best.

There was a nearby town which had a "nice lawns" law which said that during the summer, lawns had to be mowed once a week. Only, they couldn't be mowed on Sunday. So for any Sabbath-keepers in that town, they would have had to find time during the week after a full days work to mow their lawn. Which I'm sure many do mow their lawn on Wednesday evening... but to not have the option of mowing on the weekend because of a random Christian-centric Sunday restriction was insensitive to say the least, IMO.

If you don't like shopping on a particular day, plan ahead and avoid it so you can have the whole weekend for nothing but doing the NY Times crossword and family time. We planned ahead so that we didn't have shopping, business, or heavy work to do on Saturday, and it was a family day for us. That was nice, and I can definitely see wanting that...but it's not something that the stores had to change their hours to accommodate.

I'm SO glad that we have more choices about when, how, and where we do our shopping.

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Why are the laws restricting Sunday business activities referred to as "blue laws"? They made people feel blue?

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Contrary to popular belief, there is no evidence to support the assertion that the blue laws were originally printed on blue paper. Instead, the word blue was commonly used in the eighteenth century as a disparaging reference to rigid moral codes and those who observed them (e.g., "bluenoses").

Other early blue laws prohibited work, travel, recreation, and activities such as cooking, shaving, cutting hair, wearing either lace or precious metals, sweeping, making beds, kissing, and engaging in sexual intercourse. The Puritans believed that a child was born on the same day of the week on which it was conceived. Therefore, the parents of children born on a Sunday were punished for violating the blue law nine months earlier.

Blue laws have operated to protect Christian business owners from competition on their sabbath. However, they don’t protect those (such as Jews and Muslims) whose sabbath is Saturday from competition on their sabbath. Thus blue laws have established a double standard in favor of Christians.

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I shop on Sundays sometimes. And I still manage to make it to both worship services.
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But in some religions, it's forbidden to be part of any kind of commerce on your holy day (be it Sunday or Saturday).
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But in some religions, it's forbidden to be part of any kind of commerce on your holy day (be it Sunday or Saturday).
Correct. Which is why you'll see every store owned by an Orthodox Jew closed on a Saturday. Three things are inevitable - death, taxes, and no Judaica shopping on Saturdays.

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One of our provinces, Nova Scotia, used to have everything closed on Sundays by law. We were quite surprised on our trip a couple of years ago to find that - it was our last day there and we hoped to do a little shopping and get souvenirs. Doh!

I hear that they changed this since then though - not sure if all the retailers are open now that they're allowed to be?
Yes, it changed about 2 years ago now; but since the old law was struck off they haven't passed a new one, so the only mandated holiday is Remembrance Day, since it is a federal law! The change was really controversial among retail workers though.

I think everyone deserves a regular day off that they can predict. There used to be a law here 100 years ago that restricted evening opening. It was designed to ensure that shop clerks got time off.

I don't think that mandated closing on a one-day-a week basis makes much sense now, in most places. We have more religious diversity and more two income families. But I think the issues that are being brought up in this thread are still important, and so perhaps we need to find other ways to address them.

How do we make sure people have time to spend with their families, when everyone can be together? How do we make sure that small businesses can operate competitively (do we even think that is important or do we like Wal-mart?) How can we make it so workers have regular time off to schedule classes, or hobbies? How can we make sure that people get time off to worship according to their religion?

To say that people can just get a job that doesn't operate on their holy day seems a bit naive to me; there are reasons so many Orthodox Jews run their own business or work in an Orthodox run business and time off is one of them.

I also think that the issue of consumerism and instant gratification is one we need to think about. How often do our wants become needs? We have started to have a very fast paced society, and I don't think it always serves us well.

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Posted twice! Sorry!

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Again, I think a day of rest is a wonderful idea. I just dislike that automatically Sunday is chosen as the day of rest because it's assumed we're all Christians or are OK with laws made to suit a Christian lifestyle.
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What people? Clearly people want to shop on Sundays. If they didn't, they wouldn't. If enough people objected to Sunday shopping, it wouldn't be profitable for the stores, and they wouldn't stay open.

There are plenty of businesses that keep the traditional work week. If people really want to only work 9-5 M-F, jobs like that exist.

I don't want to be forced into a day of rest. I'll pick my own days of rest. It is no more restful for me to be forced to rest because everything is closed than it is for me to simply stay home. I have a sister who is fairly religious and she chooses not to shop on Sunday. Personally, I think it's odd, but it's also her choice. It doesn't seem to be a burden for her to stay home and yet not expect the rest of the population to conform to her religious beliefs.

Are you sure stores weren't open on Sundays when you were young simply because it was tradition? I'm almost 50. We absolutely had blue laws on the books when I was a kid which prevented stores from opening on Sundays. It was only after the blue laws were repealed that stores opened Sundays.

I used to work for Home Depot. They remain open on Easter.

Last year we made less than 5k staying open all day.



So although I see your point, I wanted to point out that businesses might be doing it even if the customers aren't there.

BTW, it's all nice and dandy if people can choose where they want to work. At the time, that wasn't my choice. So yeah, on the most important day of the year for my religion, I had to work 8 crappy hours at my job.

I'd love to do the 10x4 idea of working.

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I'd love to do the 10x4 idea of working.
My DH does that and LOVES it.

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What I want to know is this: businesses like Hobby Lobby and Chik Fil A that are closed on Sundays? Are they happy to give their non-Christian employees their holy days off as well? Or is it a one-way street?
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At my retail job, people fight to work on the holidays because we get time and a half. It doesn't mean that they don't want to spend the day at church or with their families, but sadly, they don't have the luxury of doing that. They need the money. If stores were to close for a day, especially one day every single week, it would seriously cut into people's income.
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At my retail job, people fight to work on the holidays because we get time and a half.
Same here, I work at a group home and it has to be staffed 24/7 but holidays are really great to work because we do get time and a half in addition to 8 hours holiday pay (which I would get whether I work or not that day) Since I don't celebrate any of the holidays anyway it really doesn't bother me to work it.

I don't like it when places close early or are closed on Sunday. When we moved here from WA I was shocked to see places close at 5-6 on the weekdays and closed sundays.That's fine, those places just don't get my business.

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If everything was closed on Sundays, it would be horrible for Orthodox Jews. We don't go anywhere Friday afternoons and evenings and all day Saturdays, except maybe Saturday nights in the winters, when Shabbos ends earlier.

So what do you do if you work 5 days a week, have your Sabbath on a 6th day, and then the 7th day, the only day you're truly available for big shopping projects, the stores are all closed?
Yeah, this. I remember when everything was closed on Sundays. My mother was a homemaker, thankfully, and was able to do all the shopping M-Th, but it would have been very difficult if both my parents worked and were not available to do the shopping during the day M-Th.

As it is, our small town is mostly closed on Sundays and we have to drive 30 miles if we need a hardware store or home improvement center, or try to anticipate everything we might need on Thurs.
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Sucks for those that have to work evenings or 12-14 hour days, 5-7 days a week as things are circling the drain job-wise... No way to get groceries or do a doctor visit or go out to eat for a break. I have a hard enough time with the things here that close at 5pm or 8pm, even less so when hubby's not around (my kids do their best banshee impression at the grocery store - I don't shop with them much anymore). Would sure suck to accidentally run out of bread or milk and not have the option of being able to finish your cooking that day because the stores are all closed.

I like the slower-type pace of life, but that's just me. I get used to cruising town at a leisurely 20-25mph, and town being mostly shut down by 7-8pm on weekdays.
I miss the Saturday morning runs Grandpa and I used to do in the 80's/early 90's to the local dairy farm for the week's milk (and sit and chat with them for a good 20+ minutes and meet a few cows that were being milked at the time) and this chicken place (I don't even know that they were an actual farm, just folks with a ton of chickens!) where we'd pick up a flat or two of eggs - depending on what Grandma's meal plans were that week or how many people were visiting. Those were fun Saturdays.

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