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#91 of 107 Old 04-11-2009, 04:43 PM
 
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Freespirited, I think you are making a lot of cause & effect relationships when they are really correlation. Believe me, the violence in the past was real and bad. Ask any African-American living in 1950. Even today, African-Americans still experience violent reprisals. Child predators haven't 'gotten better'. In fact, I think they are finally being brought out into the open & punished. Back in the good ole days, little Jill or Johnny just had too much imagination. And was sinful due to thinking of such 'horrible, sexual things'. Think of all the Catholic priest molestation charges brought in the 80s by GROWN men & women. Men & women who would have otherwised suffered in silence. Violence against women was much more widespread, and worse, ACCEPTED as normal. Maybe she shouldn't have 'angered' her husband. As far as parents killing their own children--always happened, always will. The only difference? Back 'then' it would be 'unthinkable' to question the parents. Now, due to research, we realize that when children go missing, the parents are the first suspects. Ugly but true. Anyway, I can go on & on. Violence & doing horrible things to each other is not new, nor has there been a recent 'upsurge'.

Oh, and you whole "shootings increasing since the 80s" meaning the weakening of the moral fiber? Nope. If you go with the theory that less resources equals greater competition and violence (and I agree it does), then it's not surprising that all of this started in the 80s. Real American wages stagnated in the 70s. They haven't kept pace since then, no matter the inflation rates. Think about it--the 80s were the beginning of this stress. No moral fiber involved. If you don't see a way out, then most people give up caring. Wage stagnation has only gotten worse since then. And the less people can maintain their level or stay ahead, the more will become violent. I know, because I can see, that my son will have a harder time staying middle class than I will. And I, as a 27yr old, have a harder time than my parents did. College degrees are being required for everything, and they no longer qualify you for a 'good paying job' upon graduation. So now, we are paying to be further behind than someone in 1960 with a free high school diploma was. Not good.

Something has to give, but I'm not sure what. Personally I think it's more about families, really. I know my mom grew up in the 70s living with her parents & her grandmother. Extended families have been frowned upon since after WWII. It's sad, because the support & help & safety net family provided is no longer there. Young people, who are currently out of work or working in low paying jobs, are the ones having babies. And that's NATURAL. Any society should be worried about the next generation. The thing is we have thrown these young families to the wind. Low paying job, on top of having kids is hard. How many are worried about daycare? How many parents are forced to let strangers watch their kids the majority of the day. And grandma, who is slowing down & needs help, is on her own too. Before, Grandma & Grandpa knew they could live with their kids. They might not be able to run up & down stairs, but they could definitely deal with young children. It was a good, symbiotic relationship. It wasn't all roses, and for some people with toxic families, unattainable, but in most cases it helped those who were vulnerable--children, young adults and grandparents. I think that until it becomes acceptable and expected for extended families to live together again, not much will change.

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Most of what you said, at least in the second and third paragraphs is what I said. I said the breakdown of the family was leading to a lot of this violence. It isn't surprising that the percentage of black men in prison is nearly half when you consider the sheer numbers of black single mothers. However, I have to disagree that a poor economy is a big factor in violence. That's because Costa Rica has been a poor yet peaceful country for some time, and there was little violence to speak of for most of my FIL's life growing up there. Unfortunately, the level of violence there now has progressively increased since around 2000 and has reached a rather shocking level now. What changed? The middle class strengthened, the rich got richer and the poor became a little better off. The gap widened between the rich and the poor although the poor were not worse off, they just felt poorer. It wasn't poverty in and of itself that caused violence. It was a feeling of hopelessness among the poor as they saw more and more people doing better and better as they stagnated. During that time of increased crime, the economy of Costa Rica exploded. It's those who felt left behind in the boom that turned to crime, or so it seems. They were not stealing and robbing to put food on the table but to buy material things from another income strata, and of course, some bought drugs, but the druggies tended to steal smaller things and didn't have the armed bandits thing going on. What also changed in that country was the family unit. Again, they moved away from the extended family to one of separate lives, divorce becoming common, and young people choosing not to get married and many choosing not to have children. The family has lost its importance there. Taking its place is financial success and materialism. Personal success over family. People there did actually go beyond their standard of living, even the poor, but it wasn't good enough to prevent a major increase in crime amongst those who felt entitled to more.

I also never implied pedophilia hasn't been around and prevalent and I certainly never said it was getting better. I said they pedophiles have a greater access to children via the internet and a lot of them who were not in positions where they had access to kids, unlike priests and teachers, could still engage in their exploitation. I think this brings more of them out of the woodwork. Porn is an addiction and like all addictions, the addict will often seek out a greater high. I don't see how anyone could argue that the internet hasn't raised child expliotation to a whole new level. As for African Americans, I am well aware of the violence they suffered at the hands of racists. The violence I am talking about today isn't about racism, it's about people snapping and going postal. What is causing that? It's been pretty steady now through recessions and booms since the 80s. It has to be about more than stagnant wages. Other countries have stagnant wages and people don't go on these sorts of rampages. In Europe, there has been some pretty heinous ones and these are countries where the per capita income is higher than the U.S. I think it's more about the dissolution of the family and strong social ties. A lot of these angry people have been bullied or teased. No one was there to support them. As a society I fear we aren't doing much about these sorts of things beginning in schools and carrying in through the workplace. People are more sensitive and adrift and it takes less and less to set them off. Canadians have way more guns than Americans and yet very little violence and I don't think they are particularly prosperous. The answer has to lie in society.
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That to me is radical. WHO decides what is the right way to live? Other Governments had camps also....
You misunderstood me. I didn't mean FORCE people into anything. I meant we need to direct young people into jobs instead of idleness and pleasure-seeking. I mean, I know too many younger people who spend literally all their waking time online and are losing a lot of motivation to do something more with their lives. I am not into forcing anyone to work. I think it would be a good thing for young people, as well as for anyone out of work who wants that kind of job. Dh and I have both done hard physical labor and to be honest, at the end of the day we felt satisified and good about ourselves even if the work itself sucked. Geez, you couldn't have taken my thoughts more out of context. This was nothing close to the camps of other countries. I do think there is nothing wrong with putting prisoners to work though. Otherwise, we are all free to choose whether to work or not and when I was a teenager in the 80s/early 90s, all the boys in their teens and early 20s really wanted to work, anything they could get their hands on. Not so sure about the young ones today. I just think one is going to get a lot more self-esteem and character by working than by collecting 500 "friends" on Facebook.
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Personally I think it's more about families, really. I know my mom grew up in the 70s living with her parents & her grandmother. Extended families have been frowned upon since after WWII. It's sad, because the support & help & safety net family provided is no longer there. Young people, who are currently out of work or working in low paying jobs, are the ones having babies. And that's NATURAL. Any society should be worried about the next generation. The thing is we have thrown these young families to the wind. Low paying job, on top of having kids is hard. How many are worried about daycare? How many parents are forced to let strangers watch their kids the majority of the day. And grandma, who is slowing down & needs help, is on her own too. Before, Grandma & Grandpa knew they could live with their kids. They might not be able to run up & down stairs, but they could definitely deal with young children. It was a good, symbiotic relationship. It wasn't all roses, and for some people with toxic families, unattainable, but in most cases it helped those who were vulnerable--children, young adults and grandparents. I think that until it becomes acceptable and expected for extended families to live together again, not much will change.


In my little winning-the-lottery-dream world I'd have a few little yurts for the grandparents within throwing distance of the main house if we had a few acres (like 5). I couldn't share a kitchen with MIL without us killing each other, but she and the kids would love being able to spend more time together. Until then, we're all hours away from each other due to jobs and the housing markets.

Community, IRL, at any rate is a huge thing. Whether by family relation or friends or whatever.
I love hearing stories about the kindnesses my grandparents did for people in their towns during tough times... Like in the 40's in a teeny farming town, my wheat farming grandparents with several kids had things pretty tough. There was an elderly widow in town that ran out of heating oil one particularly harsh winter. According to family lore, my grandparents were one of the many townspeople who would leave full containers of heating oil on her doorstep under the cover of night. So she couldn't turn it down/away. It was those stories and the close-knit communities that I tasted when growing up and visiting family that make me really like small towns.

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Freespirited, you said so yourself what changed in Costa Rica. Yes, everyone got better, but the rich got A LOT better than the poor. So while the poor may not be *as bad* off as before, they still look around and see that they haven't gained nearly as much as the rest. And yes, that is a cause for anger. Even here in the US, the rich have gotten richer. So while the poor may technically be a bit better off than 20yrs ago, they aren't really, not in relation to everyone else. Whereas before there wasn't much difference, now it is starkly apparent the gap between the haves & the have-nots. And it's constantly being broadcast everywhere. So while they may be better off, they realize, for the first time, just how *much* behind they really are. That's a huge shock in the system. As far as entitled to or not, what entitles the richest 1% to having 50% of the assets in a country, or more? Why such HUGE inequalities? I can understand them having more, I'm not for a whole 'everyone is equal' thing, but really, why such a HUGE discrepancy?

As far as pedophilia & violence, it may *seem* that there are more, but there really aren't. It just wasn't talked about in the past. It may seem like more, but that's because you hear more about it. Remember, we used to have mob rule in places such as Las Vegas, Chicago, etc. Those 'mobs' are now what we call 'gangs'. The violence hasn't changed, just our perception of it has. As for pedophiles now having access to children more so than before, not true. Most pedophiles start abusing their relatives first. And unless all of them were sequestered somehow, they had plenty access to children. The only difference now is that it's in our faces exactly how *sick* these people are.

I think the difference between say, Canada & US is that there are a lot more social support in place. People are supported in having children & caring for them. Socialized health care is paramount. No one is left out, like here in the US. Unlike Europe though, the employment situation is different. In Europe, the young adults are either UNABLE to find jobs (it's notoriously hard to get into a good job because of how hard it is to let go of workers), or if they do, when there are layoffs, they are the first to be let go. My dad is in Germany and he asks, each time he calls, if dh is still working. Know why? Because with what the US is broadcasting about the economic slump, ALL the young people should be out of jobs. Since dh is still working, my dad thinks everything is ok. Different realities. (as for per capita income being higher, costs there are higher too. You can't compare them like apples to apples)

The truth is that when you increase the standard of living for a small portion of society, to the exclusion of the rest, there WILL be an increase in outlash. No one likes to be left behind, or to have to work harder to attain the same old level. You also make those at the bottom MUCH more vulnerable. Those poor people may be a bit better off, but how much have prices risen? Since the middle class, and especially the wealthy, have more $$ the cost of things HAS to have gone up a lot--simple law of economics. So did the poor really better their station? Or is it more like 'well their income went up too?'

It's also offensive when you say that young people don't want to work. That's so not the case. A ton of us do and are trying to find a way to do so. The sad thing is that the majority of my graduating class in college KNEW they most likely wouldn't find a 'good' job--you know, the one where there are benefits, like basic healthcare. Doesn't mean they didn't try, just that they started looking at options outside of the 'normal' track. It's disheartening to find out that all that schooling, all those student loans don't mean squat. I graduated in 07, btw. A few of my classmates, after working hard to get their degree, found that it made more financial sense for them to take up bartending. That's sad.

As for your derision about facebook & myspace--sorry to tell you, it's a social networking site. Notice networking? A lot of us are using it to make connections to FIND jobs. Everyone is on the lookout for a good job. Once one friend is able to get into a good company, other friends usually inquire if there are any openings--you know, the ones that are never advertised. Unfortunately, the days of graduating and applying to a good company are OVER. Plus, it's a lot easier to put out that you are looking for a job among 500 friends at once, friends who aren't all in the same area as you are.


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My point is that Obama is talking about volunteering being required for graduation. Its forced. Not that I don't think that volunteering is needed for people but motivation or lack there of is relative. Just like religion you cant force people to motivate or change unless they want to. You bring federally funded camps into the mix and it is vary concerning. We already have camps...military.
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JTA Mom, you got a lot of things wrong wrt what I said and I don't have time to address them all. I never said there are more pedophiles today than there used to be. I was trying to say that where they may have suppressed their feelings or as you said, molested relatives, they now have a lot more resources in which to live out their twisted fantasies, and I do think the internet has made pedophilia sex tourism a much bigger business than it ever was before. Networking can be used in bad ways too. I also never said young people don't want to work. I didn't have time to more clear on what was a subset of other topics I was mentioning, but I was talking about teenagers and I am guessing you are not a teenager, are you? Face it, if experienced adults can't find work, young people aren't going to be able to either. I am hoping that the "rebuild America" plan will get a lot of young people to work because I think it sets a solid foundation for them to grow on. I can see where today's youth have fallen into a bit of a trap with so few prospects and the internet becoming a larger part of their reality. I have several teen relatives who spend entirely too much time socializing in cyberpace, and they are not networking. My "derision" of Facebook didn't have to do with the networking aspect of it. Yes, I'd imagine it could help some people find jobs. I am talking about how it is replacing real life socializing and also filling up a lot of time. I'm sure there are many who use the internet for various social purposes and can control the amount of time they spend. I just personally have seen an awful lot of youth who spend an inordinate amount of time chatting via internet, phone and texting. I just don't see how that can be a good thing. Call me old-fashioned. If you were offended by the things I said, I am sorry, maybe you should read a little more closely because I think I tried to specify that I think teens need more options in life and that if they didn't have the internet, they'd do what my generation did, and that is probably move their butts a little more, or, what a lot of teens did back in the day was join the military. I hate to think that is the only option for those who can't afford college or can't find work. I do think parents are probably even less involved with these "millenials" than parents were with my generation (Y or X). My own mother was not very involved in my life, and my father was MIA, so I think I had to work through some serious self-identity issues, and getting my self-esteem from my peers didn't work out so well and I made a lot of painful mistakes in my life before I finally learned. The impact of lack of parental guidance and closeness cannot be overstated. It can't be made up for by friends or money or anything and there are a ton of examples of that out there in the world.

I don't know what the real cause is behind violence. The gap between the haves and have-mores has been widening for years. I still think it's more social than economic. It's good that we can share our own thoughts about this topic and have differing opinions because it's probably some perfect storm of changes that is causing this to happen and not any one single cause. How has the media influenced all of us, especially those young people who have little self-identity and latch onto outside influences to shape themselves? I'm sure the media hasn't helped a lot. I don't blame it entirely but we as a society have become perhaps a bit too apathetic to the power it wields, couple with the disintegration of families. A lot of bad apples turn out despite being raised by good parents, so it seems to be a number of things. I also sypmathize with the aloneness a lot of people feel when they lose a job and go broke and have a family to care for. No one steps in to help. We don't live in that kind of society anymore. yes, you do hear the occassional feel-good stories but I think in general, people are very much on their own, and that lack of support is frightening and despairing and drives people to do terrible things. The social support network is really disappearing.
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It is just factually untrue that violent crime is on the rise. You can certainly argue that immorality is on the rise, because it's so subjective and you can define it yourself.

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It is just factually untrue that violent crime is on the rise. You can certainly argue that immorality is on the rise, because it's so subjective and you can define it yourself.
I'm afraid it is fact that violent crime is on the rise, and as for immorality, I don't think it's as subjective as you say. For starters, our system of law certainly defines immorality to an extent, and I think most people have that sense of right or wrong, at least in this country. Some aspects of morality are pretty gray but most are black and white. Of course, it's human nature to justify our own actions however wrong, but I think one can detect when the basic moral fiber of a society is weakening. It's easy to say the Nazis had become immoral people capable of killing and torturing millions, but to them, it was a matter of the survival of their being, their identity and culture. That justification/subjectiveness doesn't make the holocaust any less of a betrayal of morality. It is one's selflessness and the will to live for one's God. No religion that I know of condones mass extermination of other humans, but humans are very susceptible to fear and uncertainty, and these are times that encompass both emotions and I think that leads to a willingness to abandon one's own moral code in favor of survival.
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I like what you said, freespirited, about this being a 'perfect storm' of sorts. It really is. I think the social and the economics can not be pulled apart from one another. After WWII it became necessary to move a lot to find jobs. Whereas before communities needed to be self-sustaining to a certain level (like each town needed a lawyer, a doctor, etc), now they no longer need to. Socially, a lot of support systems disappeared or were weakened. It's sort of a self-sustaining cycle, kwim? The more mobility needed to chase the fewer 'good' jobs, the less stable social networks become. The less stable social networks become, the less important it is to 'settle down' in an area & so on & so forth.

As for parents not 'being' there, it has a major economical portion (not necessarily for you, but in 'general'). I mean, most nuclear families have both parents who work because they HAVE to. It's very hard to have one parent stay at home with the kids (I don't necessarily think only women should be SAHM, men should have the option of SAH too). Also, with the loss of 'good' jobs (the ones with set hours, and benefits), there is a loss of stability. In a way, the glorification of being independent and a nuclear family is a side effect of the economic necessity to be mobile to find paying jobs. Before, with one parent home, or grandma/grandpa home, someone was ALWAYS looking after the children. There was no unsupervised time for goofing off.

As for violent crime, it goes up as population does. Small towns rarely had violent crime issues (unless you want to count domestic violence, then it was probably the same). Bigger cities had the same problems as now. The thing is, the wider the gap between the haves & have-nots, the higher the crime rate. If you look at places like Brazil, or South Africa, where there is a small, privileged group that is doing all right/well and a large chunk of the population barely scraping by, the violent crime rate is insanely high. This is why, for example, crime rates (not only violent, but all types) here in the US are lower in good times. Statistically, this is true. When the economy starts going down, crime increases. Also, if you look at the hot spots for violent crime, you'll see that they correlate to large metropolitan areas, many of which have a sizeable population living in poverty. You have the ability to be anonymous coupled with having little/nothing to lose.

As for morality, it's a slippery slope. I think a lot of publicity is given to the big slips (like Enron & AIG), rather than the smaller, everyday ones. It does feel like there is widespread acceptance on the whole 'cheating to get ahead is normal' view. I don't think we are morally any different than our forefathers though. Like you mentioned the Nazis. Well, a lot of people here in the US supported Hitler before they found out about the camps. The 30s are seen as some moral high ground, when they really never were. I don't think people are any different now than before. We just have a lot more information, and much better communication than we did before. The actual (im)morality of people though, is the same. We just have tools now for greater destruction.

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I'm afraid it is fact that violent crime is on the rise,l.
Would you care to share your source for this? It's just not true. It's a common misperception. It's a better news story to say "Violent Crime on the Rise!" than "Violent Crime isn't on the Rise!"

And police, FBI, and other agents have an interest in conveying an increased need for their services, and to validate their funding..

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TOTALLY OT

but we seem to be heading into the "what's wrong with society" direction and families were mentioned.

has anyone considered when cry-it-out advice began being given by doctors? i think it causes a fundamental disconnection between child and parent and i think that leads to a lot of the violence among younger people and lack of respect for adults AND i think it ties into the moving away from your societal support system and family.

i mean, before a young family moved across the country, not only would they have help from grandparents, they'd also have someone to ask for advice other than doctors and child-care "experts"

just some random thoughts...

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TOTALLY OT

but we seem to be heading into the "what's wrong with society" direction and families were mentioned.

has anyone considered when cry-it-out advice began being given by doctors? i think it causes a fundamental disconnection between child and parent and i think that leads to a lot of the violence among younger people and lack of respect for adults AND i think it ties into the moving away from your societal support system and family.

i mean, before a young family moved across the country, not only would they have help from grandparents, they'd also have someone to ask for advice other than doctors and child-care "experts"

just some random thoughts...
Oh I agree!! I think no matter what though you will have violence. Having been to even AP kids play groups there are some kids just more prone to violence...but that's goes back to nature nurture theory. But does it make more people unable to understand how to handle broad concepts and feelings , what to do with them, I agree.

OT I think its interesting all the market and advice talk lately has said we our heading out of a rescission.
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OT I think its interesting all the market and advice talk lately has said we our heading out of a rescission.[/QUOTE]

When have they not been saying it? Not a day goes by when someone on CNBC or other MSM--let alone the gov--says the bottom's been reached/buy buy buy/the recovery has started/etc.
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Oh I agree!! I think no matter what though you will have violence. Having been to even AP kids play groups there are some kids just more prone to violence...but that's goes back to nature nurture theory. But does it make more people unable to understand how to handle broad concepts and feelings , what to do with them, I agree.

OT I think its interesting all the market and advice talk lately has said we our heading out of a rescission.
yep, i think violence is pretty much inherent in our make up. it makes some sense in an evolutionary way. if you don't fight for your resources and someone else does, you don't get them and you die, in an extreme example of course, and we could toss in quite a bit of sociology and cooperation in there to temper the violence but i don't think we're even going to be rid of it.

AND about the market. it is REALLY weird!! like, they'll tell you about the unemployment rate being up and in the same sentence say how things really aren't that bad.

i guess if you say it often enough it must be true

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yep, i think violence is pretty much inherent in our make up. it makes some sense in an evolutionary way. if you don't fight for your resources and someone else does, you don't get them and you die, in an extreme example of course, and we could toss in quite a bit of sociology and cooperation in there to temper the violence but i don't think we're even going to be rid of it.

AND about the market. it is REALLY weird!! like, they'll tell you about the unemployment rate being down and in the same sentence say how things really aren't that bad.

i guess if you say it often enough it must be true
Yep spending is up for a couple month ( couldnt be those tax returns NO!) unemployment up...Everything is fine... esp after we waved our magic wand and printed 1 trillion a couple weeks ago
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I have to agree violence is inherent to some degree and that social factors bring them out, such as how someone is raised. A child who is abused or witnesses abuse will probably grow up to be angry and not have any skills how to handle that effectively. The same child raised in a loving household will have witnessed a healthy way to handle anger, which everyone experiences at times. But what concerns me is the violence that is occurring in otherwise non-violent people, people who to others were gentle, harmless, quiet, shy, etc. I do think this kind of violence is on the rise. Violence in general has always been around and will always be, but the kind of violence we've seen all too much of lately is something else. As for my sources about violence being on the rise, you can google it and find a lot of stats to support that. It is a fact, plain and simple. Maybe it is down in specific cities, but way up in others, and in general in this country it is up. You don't need to look any further than local communties. Places where people never locked their doors are now experiencing rashes of burglaries, and in my experience, this is a precursor to more aggressive crimes. Also, gun and ammo sales are way up and I really think that has more to do with people feeling more vulnerable these days than it has to do with the rumor about guns being banned. How many moms here would let their children do the things today we used to do, like walking or riding their bike some distance alone? In Costa Rica, bars on your windows is now a necessity whereas 15-20 years ago almost no one had them. I mean, you can look at stats if you want, but you can also just talk to people and look around you to know that crime is up.
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I have to agree violence is inherent to some degree and that social factors bring them out, such as how someone is raised. A child who is abused or witnesses abuse will probably grow up to be angry and not have any skills how to handle that effectively. The same child raised in a loving household will have witnessed a healthy way to handle anger, which everyone experiences at times. But what concerns me is the violence that is occurring in otherwise non-violent people, people who to others were gentle, harmless, quiet, shy, etc. I do think this kind of violence is on the rise. Violence in general has always been around and will always be, but the kind of violence we've seen all too much of lately is something else. As for my sources about violence being on the rise, you can google it and find a lot of stats to support that. It is a fact, plain and simple. Maybe it is down in specific cities, but way up in others, and in general in this country it is up. You don't need to look any further than local communties. Places where people never locked their doors are now experiencing rashes of burglaries, and in my experience, this is a precursor to more aggressive crimes. Also, gun and ammo sales are way up and I really think that has more to do with people feeling more vulnerable these days than it has to do with the rumor about guns being banned. How many moms here would let their children do the things today we used to do, like walking or riding their bike some distance alone? In Costa Rica, bars on your windows is now a necessity whereas 15-20 years ago almost no one had them. I mean, you can look at stats if you want, but you can also just talk to people and look around you to know that crime is up.
Petty crimes though are apart of lower economic times. Its sadly normal right now. Stat wise violent crimes are down nation wide:
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance.htm#Crime

I think people are more fearful but that doesn't mean that crime is up. National news is instant where as 100 years ago you were lucky to hear about something from another side of the US before a week or more.

I wont let my kids walk or take a bike ride because I'm afraid of CPS coming to my door for neglecting them in their view for being outside or away alone...not so much because of bad people... A 5 yo playing outside alone is not typical anymore , but most parents don't stay home anymore either so it makes it more apparent.
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