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#1 of 57 Old 04-27-2013, 09:10 PM - Thread Starter
 
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I need to learn more about our particular situation, how much we are really going to pay, and by when and what the penalties will be, but the whole thing is stressing me out.   We lost our subsidized insurance because of an inheritance, and have to wait 3-5 years to have a place again (little more than a year left to reach the 3year mark.)  

 

Both dh and I are self-employed, homeschooling parents and I don't know how we are going to afford this when the time comes.  What a shit time to implement a plan that I am otherwise on board with.

 

I am thankful that the girls still have their medical insurance through DSHS, which, in WA only counts actual income to determine eligibility.  I was literally in tears when DSHS told me that the girls would keep their insurance, and again this year when I resubmitted eligibility forms.  I can't believe how much this is stressing me.  I'm 43, dh is 50 in October, and insurance is not cheap for our ages.

 

Sigh... I guess this is just a rant.  I really need to get in gear and find out exactly what our situation will be...

 

Am I the only one flipping out?


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Maybe I am the only one..... shrug.gif


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How much do you actually know about the requirements of the plan, your state's availability of insurance, and the tax credit for the insurance, and the opt outs for financial hardship? 

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I'm not finding specific information, just some "might", and "some key pieces taking effect".  I am encouraged that Medicaid will be expanded, and our kids are covered now, but I still don't know if this will affect us personally.  I did shop for insurance after dh and I lost it 2 years ago, with the help of an insurance broker and some of my own research, and I could not find an affordable health plan.  Some decent options--like $350 per month for a covers-nothing Health Care Saving plan, but nothing we could pay out for--the cheapest decent plan was $440 per month.  We had been paying $130-$170 per month for good, subsidized insurance.

 

I'd like to think that we could get a good allowance for income (if they take 2013 taxes, the first without an estate payout), but we've so often been just above the cutoff.  That's why this is stressing me out--I just don't know the specifics for our family,  It could be great, it could be no big deal and a great help--I have not enjoyed being without insurance for 2 years.  We are lucky to have not needed it.  

 

We are at a place where things are getting really tricky--dh and I have not raised our rates in 10 years, we must maintain 2 vehicles because dh is a professional gardener, gas prices have doubled in that time, food prices have gone up, taxes have gone up, everything is getting more expensive and the people we rely on for work are struggling as well.  The only things that have saved us are our refinance (we have excellent credit despite our income) and savings.  We just blew a chunk (pun intended) paying for a new engine for dh's work truck.  I hate to think about needing a "new" car (not imminent, but you never know).

 

Al I know is that things are going to get mighty tight around here, and money stresses me to no end.  Hopefully the news is good news.


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You are definitely not the only one!! We're in a similar situation-- both DH and I are self-employed, and our income was low enough to qualify us for Medicaid until about 2 months ago. Now we're on our own-- and I'm feeling totally panicked and lost. Our business is doing well enough to disqualify us for Medicaid but not well enough that we're rolling in $$. Basically, we're right on the edge, and I can't fathom paying hundreds of dollars a month for health insurance that we'd only use in an emergency. And I can't find any specifics on when the new health care law will take effect and what it will actually mean for us.....

 

The whole thing makes me feel so anxious. I've even considered extreme solutions like moving out of the country (DH is from another country, so it's not that crazy....) and cutting our business down so that we're back under the poverty line. 

 

How do other self- employed families do it!?


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Here is a website w/ info and a calculator (it may or may not be outdated)

http://healthreform.kff.org/SubsidyCalculator.aspx

 

(I have read a lot of information on this (early retirement) board lined below... you may find some other articles or information here)

http://www.early-retirement.org/forums/f38/

 

Personally, I am waiting as I have found very little (none) information that pertains to my situation or information that makes a difference. (i.e middle class, high rates). (Other then in 2014 , when one will be charged a penalty  (at tax time) if you do not carry health insurance. I also have the option of moving back to Canada (my home country), so I dont fret too much about long term ... although I hope that obamacare works out well.

 

I have heard that insurance prices may cost more in most states, but not where I am from because the prices are already ridiculous (self-employed, 1300 / mth premium - two years ago, with a track record of increasing 200/mth). I dropped it a few years ago, so I am not stressed right now :), and I don't see a change coming.  Note: In NY its a one cost program / everyone can get coverage @ the same cost (if you can afford it); also, in NY all children can get coverage, $ determined on a sliding scale. (So my kids are covered)

 

 

Yes, there is a tax credit, but it sounds to me that you have to pay out first (big bucks) before getting the money back at tax time - that doesn't help most people or at least, you spend the first year paying out, the 2nd year you have the tax credit money to put towards next years premiums. (When I was paying for health insurance as a self-employed person, this credit was significant).


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I'm not aware of any tax credit when I file taxes--only write-offs for the business.  Perhaps that will change?  

 

gitanamama, yes, being self-employed is not always easy!  Small business assistance usually is aimed at those with employees.   

 

I'll check out the links, just to see.


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Following... we are currently on medicaid, but if either of our business take off we will be making too much. 

 

The current quote I am getting from Humana One is $850 a month, not including dental. Plus co-pays, 30% not covered, and a $7500 deductible. 


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The Kaiser Foundation calculator says we would qualify for Medicaid, but I'm not sure if they mean taxable income?  If they mean before write-offs, I'm not sure.  Plus, it wobbles several thousand every year.  I'm not done stressing yet!  I do hope they expand Medicaid, because we couldn't even pull off the $350 insurance with no benefits (except for one insurance company allows you to pay the contracted rate for services instead of the full cost, but still no covered services except the required 4-6 office visits).  

 

It doesn't help that both dh and I lost one client who provided us with about 1/3 of our income.  Ouch.  We are scraping by because we have renters in our town house we couldn't sell when we moved to our property.  Still, if we don't qualify for Medicaid, we are staring down extreme cuts everywhere and it will be painful and we still might not pull it off.

 

Just when I think I'm in the clear, something happens to screw things up.  I thought last year I was finally going to afford private health insurance, then I lost that $600 per month income.  We keep scraping by, but it's getting harder and harder...


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I'm not aware of any tax credit when I file taxes--only write-offs for the business.  Perhaps that will change?  

 

gitanamama, yes, being self-employed is not always easy!  Small business assistance usually is aimed at those with employees.   

 

I'll check out the links, just to see.

 

I suppose I meant write offs, one can claim premiums and all other medical costs (dental payments, gas to and from, etc) and lower your taxes owed or get a refund.


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One of my many concerns is how the subsidies affect how much I will be paying monthly once this goes into effect. For instance, based on our rough estimate income for 2014, our premiums would be between 11K-12K (I'm assuming this is for the year). With the tax credit subsidy, we'd only have to pay just under 3K so it would be roughly 220/month. However, are we just going to pay that 215/month, OR do we pay the 1K monthly until tax time THEN get the 9K tax credit? I don't get it. Another thing that sucks is, in October, you have to estimate what you make for 2014. If you overestimate, you overpay. If you under estimate and underpay, you get penalized for that. Which is worse. I don't like this AT ALL.


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What substidies are we speaking about? The only thing I've seen is on the irs website and only covers people under certain retirement plans which I think are for teachers?


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Ones that will be in place in 2014 for lower incomes to "afford" the insurance they are required to buy.  I've heard different versions of what will happen.   I need to do some more looking.  


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The subsidies are available for people/families whose income falls between 100% to 400% of the federal poverty levels, which means you pay premiums anywhere between 2.0% and 9.5% of whatever level of coverage you choose... gold, silver or bronze. Gold is you pay more for more comprehensive coverage. Silver is the middle ground. Bronze is the cheapest and lowest level of coverage. The bronze level is the least amount you are required to have by law.

 

I wonder if the premiums we have to pay will be considered a tax-deductible, out-of-pocket medical expense. Since you are getting a tax credit, will those subsidized monthly premiums be allowed to be written off at tax time? I am not finding an answer to this question. I know co-pays, deductibles, prescriptions, etc are tax deductible. If it was private insurance, then yes, for sure the monthly premiums can be written off. But, what about the subsidized premiums? Anyone know?


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Do you have a link to more info? Thanks.


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I got the general info from my last two posts from one of the links given in post #6 of this thread. It was this one... http://kff.org/interactive/subsidy-calculator/. I read through the frequently asked questions area also. I am going to try to find answers to my specific questions and if I find it, I'll post a link for that.


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This is more specific... http://101.communitycatalyst.org/aca_provisions/subsidies


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OK. Yes, the subsidy will apply to monthly premiums. Phew. This is a better estimator... http://laborcenter.berkeley.edu/healthpolicy/calculator/

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The tax credits can also be applied directly to the insurance premium.  According to the govt website, the tax credit will go directly to the insurance company to cover the premiums: http://www.healthcare.gov/marketplace/costs/tax-credits/index.html
 

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Hi,

 

Bumping this thread! Our current employer-sponsored insurance premium is going up A LOT in the fall. At that point we would be paying 20% of our net monthly income for the premiums. I am having a lot of trouble comparing options - does anyone have any tips?

 

This is what I have come up with so far:

 

Option 1 - Suck it up and pay 20% of our net to health insurance. I am concerned about the opportunity cost of that, as well as the chance that choosing something different might end up costing us the same anyway due to higher deductibles, etc. DH is leaning toward this. He is concerned that changing insurance would be a downgrade (it would be).

 

Option 2 - Bump me off of our insurance, but keep kids and DH on. This lowers the premium for them to <10% of our net monthly income plus whatever mine costs. The quotes I am seeing for insurance for myself would put us back at what we are paying now, which would be OK, but I am having trouble figuring out how this would play out with deductibles, losing prescription coverage, higher co-pays, 80/20 coverage after deductible, etc. I don't want to end up paying more than Option 1. Bonus would be that I could get a tax credit (deduction?) for the premiums, because I work for my own S-corp and would be paying through the company.

 

Option 3 - When I plug our figures into the calculators above, it looks like making 300% of poverty level + paying 20% (counting net - is that right?) toward premiums would allow us to get subsidized. This would drop our premiums back to what we are paying now. Our state will have an exchange. But does that mean completely dropping the employer plan and changing insurance? 

 

Are there consultants for this??? I feel like I need one!! dizzy.gif
 


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Funny I ran into this post because I have to re-apply for Medicaid this week and luckily my son will have it automatically because he gets SSI. I think that my 2 year old will continue to have it and it looks like my income is too much. I will submit my hospital bills to show that I can't afford to be without insurance I hope I can continue. I called Blue Cross Blue Shield and they said that the cheapest plan they have is $132.50 a month for me. I guess I will go with them push comes to shove.

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Good luck, icemommy! It's tough because the $132.50 plan will likely cost you more in the end by not covering prescriptions or a high deductible or 80/20 coverage or... I wish we could just have a sane health insurance system!


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Updating.  Our state's phone center opens September 1st.  I am increasingly optimistic about qualifying for Medicaid, but I'm not sure how our rental figures into this.  A strange economy when a family at the 85th percentile (just a little below the poverty line for a family of four) has two houses, one with rental income.  Strange, strange, strange.  Anyway, enrollment opens October 1st.  My panic is turning into impatience and optimism, thankfully.

 

How is everyone else doing?  I know not everyone who contributed to this thread is going to qualify for assistance.

 

Ragana, yes there are insurance brokers who can help you choose the best plans, though I'm not sure what their position will be like with this new system. They get paid "finder's fees" from the insurance companies, so at least when I talked to one 2 years ago, the help would be free for me.  I know this seems like a conflict of interest, but I think that reasonable people can decipher the information they are given about different plans.  I believe most of their clientele are business owners.  Otherwise, your state is required to set up a health exchange that should make it easier to figure those things out.  Try searching for the health insurance exchange for your state and see when their operations are ready for more detailed questions.


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We get state insurance and I get massive panic every 6 months when its time to re-qualify.  There is no way I can afford a aprivate plan and when I tried to get full time employment there was no way I could afford the employers plan etiher (premium, deductible and co-pays etc.. approx cost for me and kiddo was 10k out of pocket, not good).   ITs a sad day when Im further ahead to work part time and stay on state benefits.


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Will Medicaid change for adults when this happens?  Here woman can only get family planning..Unless your pregnant...Then you get full medicaid...does this qualify under the new plan?

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Yes, Medicaid will change.  Normally adults like me cannot qualify for Medicaid, even though our kids do.  Now, I should be able to qualify for at least some funding.


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I am for socialized healthcare such as they have in Canada and Europe. I am disgusted by what is happening here in CA. The proposed insurance is awful and the ONLY benefit is that there are no pre-existing limitations. Aside from that, the "new affordable" plans are NOT, in fact, they are the same if not more expensive that the private plans people can currently get (when I was self employed I had a private plan from Blue Cross, pretty basic but affordable). A single persion making a whopping 23k a year would have to pay about 120 a month, which would be sorta okay if the copays and deductibles weren't high. Need to go to urgent care for a sinus infection? 80.00, never mind that most urgent cares charge 40-80 for cash patients. And check out the other affordable copays. http://www.coveredca.com/PDFs/English/CoveredCA_HealthPlanBenefitsSummary.pdf

 

Currently I have great insurance through work, but could not afford to add dh as it would be over 800/month. I was excited about him getting "affordable" care, but when I ran the calculator, it will be almost 300/month for that crappy plan, and we cannot afford that. Now, if I want to add myself and my ds to the plan, it drops to 316. But I don't want that insurance as mine has extremely low copays and is free for me. 

 

It makes more sense for me to get a lower paying job so that we qualify for a minimal premium, crazy. I'm already looking at going back to government employment for the better benefits, even though my current job pays better.

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I don't know about the insurance been looking around but I might just take the hit on my tax return for not having insurance. The cheapest insurance here is blue cross blue sheild at about 167/m I really can't afford that. My son qualifies for Medicaid so he is covered. but it doesn't matter how much I earn here i'm over the age limit for woman to get coverage in this state they give woman coverage til they are 42 I think after that they just think you don't need it.

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Our city has recently posted the insurance companies and costs that will appear on the exchange in October.

Im in central NY and I had heard that most states will see an increase in cost, but not in NY as it was/is ridiculously high for private insurance. At the highest and before I dropped it, i was paying 1300 / mth (in 2010) for one person (family was 3600/mth). for private insurance full package (there were limited options and companies to choose from).  The same company (excellus) is listed @ 500 ish for the silver plan. Still high but half the cost that it used to be.  There is a new coop (Freelancers from NY city) that has been accepted to sell insurance in my city @ 260 for the silver plan. Im waiting it out to see if I get insurance or not. (My kids are covered under CHP but I wonder if the rules will change for that,)


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 The cheapest insurance here is blue cross blue sheild at about 167/m I really can't afford that. My son qualifies for Medicaid so he is covered. but it doesn't matter how much I earn here i'm over the age limit for woman to get coverage in this state they give woman coverage til they are 42 I think after that they just think you don't need it.

If your son qualifies for Medicaid, it is likely you should qualify as well under the new plan. 

 

???  I don't really know the details.

 

Anyhow, Medicaid is being expanded to include adults.

 

 

 

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At the highest and before I dropped it, i was paying 1300 / mth (in 2010) for one person (family was 3600/mth). for private insurance full package (there were limited options and companies to choose from). 

Sunrise, that is insane.  We are a self-employed family, and we don't even make that much per month.


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