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Unfortunately I am too poor to afford a pressure canner(though I think that's going to come with tax money this year because they aren't expensive) but I water bath can everything.  I have peaches, pickles, apple sauce, apple butter, jams, jellies, salsa, tomato sauce, etc.  It's VERY simple to do and I haven't poisoned my kids yet.  :rotflmaoSo if I can handle it, so can you.  Start simple.  Make a batch of applesauce, put it in a canning jar, boil it, and let it seal.  Nothing fancy added.  You are fine.  Canning it super easy(though yes, it can be time consuming) and it really does save me a ton of money.  I just did 60lbs of apples into applesauce at just $.50 per lb for "drops" at our local orchard and come winter and spring when apples are up to $1.75 or $2 per lb, that's gonna be AWESOME to have homemade applesauce for my kids.


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We had a big ham left from our pig share purchase in January--I thought it was from the spring, but it was in great shape for being in the deep freeze for 9 months--so I cooked it last night. Unfortunately, it wasn't labeled with the weight and I underestimated it, so it took way longer to cook than I anticipated, and we ended up having to get Moe's for dinner. Total DUH moment on my part :blush But DH got to eat fresh, hot ham for dinner when he got home (and we all picked at it), and today I processed the whole dang thing! I ended up with 12 cups of ham in containers in the freezer and 3 cups used in a heavenly smelling ham and bean soup for dinner tonight. I also used the ham bone to flavor the soup (along with a few cups of chicken stock, just in case), and then I transferred the bone and joint and all the scraps I cut off the ham as I cut it up into another pot with some old veggies to make a nice ham stock. I'm kinda proud of myself! And it smells SO good in here. But my right shoulder and elbow are aching from the two hours of wrestling and chopping I just finished :lol

 

Now I need to find some yummy recipes that use chopped ham! One of my old standards, Hopping John, didn't get eaten the last time I made it. I'm making the ham and bean soup tonight, and I'm sure I'll use some in a breakfast bake in the next day or so. Anyone have something they love and want to share? 

 

 

 

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I just did 60lbs of apples into applesauce at just $.50 per lb for "drops" at our local orchard and come winter and spring when apples are up to $1.75 or $2 per lb, that's gonna be AWESOME to have homemade applesauce for my kids.

 

bigeyes.gif Wow!!!! Great work! I wonder if any of our orchards sell the drops so inexpensively, hmmm. Does your orchard advertise this, or is it something you have to ask about? 


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They don't go out of their way to advertise but when you go to the orchard for picking, the bins are right there next to the place you get bags and pay to get in.  They let you pick your own out of the huge wooden crates and there's a big hand written sign that says "Drops $.50/lb."  So it's not like they are hiding them.  I think it's a pretty standard price though because I've heard a couple people on MDC say it.  But this orchard is low-spray and it's in my town so I was thrilled with it.

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That's excellent. I've never seen anything of the sort at the orchard where we pick, but I think I'll ask the next time we go. Thanks!


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Today has been a wash for pantry use - but we've eaten leftovers all day. Have just enough leftovers left to fix dinner I think, and maybe I'll have a can of soup instead with a grilled cheese.


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Oooh I am so jealous of you ladies with orchards nearby.  Nothing in my area like that :(

 

Maybe next year I will try to can some tomatoes.  My SIL is interested in it, so I'll try to get together with her. 

 

Melissel: here is my all-time favorite recipe that uses chopped ham:  http://www.myrecipes.com/recipe/goat-cheese-artichoke-smoked-ham-strata-10000000642277/  This recipe uses some spendy ingredients (and it's very tasty as written) but you can substitute.  These are some substitutions I usually make:

- whole milk instead of 1%

- real eggs instead of the egg substitute

- feta cheese instead of goat cheese ($$$)

- whatever shredded cheese I have (colby jack, monterey jack, mozzarella, swiss) instead of fontina cheese

- usually I leave out the freshly grated Parmesan

- double the amount of ham

- use whatever bread you have on hand, I've used french bread and regular old sandwich bread instead of sourdough

I love waking up and popping this in the oven on a rainy fall day.  Of course now I don't eat bread so I can't eat this strata, but I miss it...

 

Today was a loooonnnng day.  1 egg left in the house, so I fried it and ate it on top of my cabbage/beef/apple stir fry.  Kids had frozen meatloaf meatballs and poppyseed bread for breakfast.  DH had a frozen homemade beef burrito.  Lunch was everyone for themselves.  Kids and DH had sandwiches, I had a couple of chicken thighs and avocado.  Dinner for the fam was split pea soup with some ham I found buried in the freezer.  Love these "bonus" meals I keep finding!  Had totally forgotten about the ham!  Also my mother's helper started to make brownies from a box mix when I remembered there were no eggs.  I told her to try some flax meal.  Score!  Slowly using up the random ingredients around the house! 

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I wanted to share a link with everyone, it's a 2 week menu based strictly on pantry items from The Prudent Homemaker: http://www.theprudenthomemaker.com/index.php/menus/strictly-pantry-menu 

I love her introduction:"When you look into your fridge, and lament that it is empty, with no chance of filling it again soon--clean your fridge! Its empty shelves will sparkle at you and amazingly make you feel better.  Then look to your pantry for ideas, and pretty soon, there will be something in your refrigerator: leftovers!"   I'm following her advice- I cleaned the vegetable drawers and the cheese drawer.  So there's not much food, but at least it's pretty to look at!  Lol!

 
Yes, the fresh stuff is really running low here.  I am grateful for several bags of frozen veggies and the few meat items we do have left.  The in-laws gave us a few pieces of fresh fruit.  Also the chickens laid 6 eggs today, so I can eat eggs for breakfast tomorrow!  We have plenty of bacon between our house and the in-laws', so we can have some protein for breakfast.  DH is really busy this week, as usual, so I'm not sure when we'll get to the store.  He is scared to take care of the twins by himself, lol, and there is no way I can do it myself.  It's an hour and a half to the store.  That's the bad thing about living in the middle of nowhere! 
 
Food today: B: bacon, sliced cheese, poppyseed bread for the kids, breakfast burrito for hubby, chicken thigh w/ leftover cauliflower and bok choy for me.
L: leftover split pea soup, potato chips for the hubby (kids were with the in-laws), chicken thighs w/ frozen veggies for me.
D: the last turkey breast (roasted), box of mac and cheese (someone gave to us), some sort of frozen veggie, chicken thighs for me. 
 
Going to make so gf muffins tomorrow.  I bought a bunch of gf stuff a long time ago but now that I'm paleo I don't eat it.  Time to use it up though.
 
 
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Is anyone else still participating? 

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I am, just haven't been for the last few days as my dishwasher is out so we have been sticking to no-mess meals.


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I am still trying to use up what I started with though I did make a run to the grocery store to buy some produce, milk, eggs, and a few ingredients to make what was left into meals (so I am a big ole cheater).

 

I made vegan chili from pantry ingredients Thursday which has been lunch for days and a pasta based casserole for dinner last night.

 

Tonight, onion quiche - two pie crusts, two onions, 8 eggs and 4 tbspns butter. Will feed us dinner and leftovers for breakfast/lunch tomorrow.

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I start using stuff from home (pantry/fridge) and then end up buying one more thing, so I don't think that counts. :Sheepish


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I wanted to share a link with everyone, it's a 2 week menu based strictly on pantry items from The Prudent Homemaker: http://www.theprudenthomemaker.com/index.php/menus/strictly-pantry-menu

 
 

That is great, thanks!

 

I am still here and doing pretty well.  My goal has not been 'no spend' at this point, but to clear my freezer of all the old stuff to make room (and save money) for our pork, which comes tomorrow!  Today I pulled everything left out of that freezer and put most of it in a med sized cooler (and our inside freezer if very full).  There is still a lot to process - I'm making lard today and also blackberry jam.  Made a large batch of stock this week.  There are still other berries from summer to use/process, plus pork bones and organs, some more ribs and a roast.   Harder stuff, but we've eaten pork almost every day for a long time now, so we've done well. 

 

Ideas for pork organs?  ..........I've only ever made chicken hearts and livers, so I'm not very experienced.  

 

Once I process some more, I want to focus harder on clearing the dry pantry.  I bought a little bit of produce this week and a bag of flour so I can make tortillas and crackers - which we've been out of for a while.  Also, I get milk every week (standing order from local dairy) and we've been sick so haven't gone through it and I need to make some ricotta and pudding with the extra.  I found a jar of rice in the way back of the pantry - woot!  Thought I was out.  I bought a jar of PB for my 3 year old, since we've been out of tortillas (she has either burritos or PBH almost daily and is very picky right now!).

 

I saw this recipe for 'bread and onion soup' and thought of here - it is so simple.   Similar to french onion, but with chicken stock, which I am more likely to have than beef.  They do suggest topping it with gruyere, which can be pretty expensive, but I bet other cheeses would work fine (even a parm rind maybe for flavor).

http://www.splendidtable.org/recipes/bread-and-onion-soup

 

Ham.....oh I miss ham!  Haven't had one in a while.  I like to make a batch of almond flour crepes and fill them with ham, cheese and chopped greens.  Fast and so good.  It also gets greens into my girls, which can be a challenge.

 

Meals will be very simple this weekend while I process things, I'll probably do a plan for the new week Monday.


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I used two cans (well opened two cans) today.  The chili expired almost two years ago and still tasted fine.  The soup was bought just a few weeks ago and it reeked of mold so I dumped it.  Never buying that brand again.

 

I'm using up the canned stuff all right.  I don't know how I can possibly use up the rice and flours (all white).  DH was the one who bought and stockpiled them.  I can not eat rice so I cook them rarely.  The flours are OK but I mostly use bread flour to make bread, not all-purpose.  I need to find some ways to use up 20kg of regular all-purpose flours.


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Artemis, I am so jealous of your lard!  We don't have a really clean source for pork, although we are going to butcher one ourselves soon.  I do render my own beef tallow, which makes pretty tasty roasted veggies. 

 

Pork organs- my MIL cooks beef heart and slices it for sandwiches.  Could you do that with pork heart?

 

I think it's totally okay to buy some stuff to help you along during the pantry challenge.  As long as you are spending less than normal, you are still making progress, IMO.

 

I am learning just how much food I have at my disposal.  I keep thinking we're totally out of everything, and then I manage to make a meal that is satisfying.  It helps to have generous in-laws!

 

The gluten-free muffins were a total fail.  I forgot to add the oil, but I doubled the sugar, so they should have been okay, but they were pretty flavorless, according to the fam.  I was trying to use up some Bob's Red Mill Might Tasty Hot Cereal that I bought a while ago that nobody liked.  I am debating whether to try again with a few variations or just give it to the chickens.  If I try again and they still come out badly, it will feel like I'm wasting even more stuff. 

 

Breakfast today was turkey, cheese, bacon wraps for the family.  I made some taco meat (got the beef out of the in-laws' freezer), and mixed it with frozen mixed veggies, green salsa, and kalamata olives.  Kinda weird, but it was satisfying.  Now I'm eating some frozen blueberries I warmed up and topped with shredded coconut and sliced almonds.  Lunch will be the rest of the taco meat with re-fried beans (using up those dried beans!) wrapped up in burritos (or served w/ frozen veggies for me).  We have sour cream and a little cheese left.  No bread, so we're using up the tortillas.  Dinner might be crab cakes (have some canned crab) and I'm thinking about making soup out of some canned pumpkin.  Then I could fry potatoes for the rest of the family and serve some kind of frozen veg and call it a meal. 

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Last night I caved & cooked - hoping to have the dishwasher fixed by Sunday so figured dishes wouldn't stack up that long if I cooked. Made extra to eat as leftovers today. We had fish with alfredo & steamed veggies. Used 2 packets of noodles from the pantry & a jar of sauce - not quite my 5 a day goal but every bit helps.

 

Breakfast this morning was frozen waffles. Dinner will be leftovers. Tomorrow we'll be out all day at a local festival - either will do a pizza when we get home or hot dogs. I "think" there should be samples at the festival for lunch :)

 

I've been going through old magazines for recipies & found a few I think we will use. Want to try to get some new dishes in the menu.


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Still doing this.  My kids had some pasta with fro*en peas and parm cheese and chicken from the free*er last night for dinner.  This morning was pumpkin muffins iwth homemade applesauce instead of oil and the last bag of homemade pumpkin puree from last year.  So of course this morning we are making more pumpkin puree finally because we just carved pumpkins.  We do have to go grocery shopping because we have food stamps that have to be used before the 31st or we lose them so I'll be doing a large shopping but still looking to eat out of the pantry and free*er.  Tonight this is what's for dinner: http://www.anotherlunch.com/2010/05/recipe-pizza-pockets.html

 

Never made them before.  They look fun so I'm going to get out my pi**a stone and make them.  And I have some spinach for a side salad.  I think lunch will be at my parents' house as we are helping stack a cord of wood they got delivered.


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Well dinner was pretty much a fail.  An expensive fail too!  Canned crab is spendy $$$ and the kids turned up their noses at the crab cakes.  Didn't like the pumpkin soup either (I thought it was edible).  Everyone ate the fried potatoes, of course.  I roasted some frozen brussels sprouts and they turned out fine.  Dd actually wanted more.  The crab didn't go very far, even though I made little cakes, so I had to warm up some l.o. turkey for dh. 

 

Yesterday was the last day of my whole30.  Today I just feel like pigging out on brownies and ice cream, but I know it will make the babies' tummies hurt, plus I made alot of progress and I don't want to ruin it!  I lost 8 lbs, and I think I should keep going.  We are going to butcher that pig this week finally, but we are so low on meat and veg right now I want to pull my hair out! 

 

Cleaning and defrosting the deep freezer now!  Woot!  Just in time for all that fresh pork!  And I found more ham (with the bone) that I can use to make soup with.  I kind of want to make Mexican Ham and Bean Soup, but it's not paleo so I wouldn't be able to eat it.  Maybe I'll save it until I can buy some more split peas.  Also had alot of beef tallow in there to render, so I started a pot on the stove.  It's taking forever so I might make potato chips for dinner. 

 

Breakfast for the fam was another fail: cream of rice for the kids, but they didn't like it, so I just tossed it.  It was expired anyway.  Made a turkey, bacon, cheese wrap for hubby.  Scrambled an egg, taco meat, green pepper, and salsa for me, followed by 2 larabars (yikes!)

 

Lunch will be bean burritos for fam, l.o. pork & frozen veg for me.

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Pumpkin pancakes for breakfast from homemade pumpkin puree.  Dinner was homemade chicken nuggets and carrot sticks and the last of the grapes.


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Five cans of beans went into a bean soup with some pico de gallo and bone broth that needed to be used soon. I did have to buy a loaf of bread as we were out for a couple of days.

A bit of leftover penne in a bag in the pantry was cooked and served with a vegan pesto made with walnuts and nutritional yeast from the pantry and basil from the garden. 

There was a cup of brown rice & lentils mix left in the pantry, which I cooked in some bone broth with some leftover mushrooms from the fridge.

 

I really didn't want to go grocery shopping, but yesterday I did buy some grapes when I went to pick up some bread. I even rescheduled our CSA box for next week, just so I can use some more of the stuff from here.


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I'm still participating, but I did end up doing a big shop, and the last week has been so crazy that I haven't had to time to be creative. Starting tomorrow I'll be working hard at reducing my pantry stock again. I have a lot of canned salmon to use up, and still that Italian sausage that I don't know what to do with! Maybe I'll make some meat sauce with it, though that will mean I'd need to buy a box of pasta for the kids. That's my main problem--for everything I have to use up, I seem to need to buy something to use with it! 

 

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I'm kinda still doing this, but my pantry is full again.  We went shopping for food items for the Halloween donations, and loads of canned stuff were on sale so I bought a bunch. :) Oh well, I'll keep rotating out the older stuff and use them.


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I'm kinda still doing this, but my pantry is full again.  We went shopping for food items for the Halloween donations, and loads of canned stuff were on sale so I bought a bunch. :) Oh well, I'll keep rotating out the older stuff and use them.


I always seem to be in a perpetual state of filling the pantry and using what is in there.  This week butter is on sale at the lowest price I have seen in ages and ages  It would be crazy not to buy some and rotate it into the freezer butter stores.  But that may well be the only food purchase for this week other than veg and milk (and milk for baking will come from the stash of dry milk powder). 

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I know what you mean about perpetual pantry filling.....after all, being good at knowing the best stock up price on things does save money over time.  Butter is one of those things that we use so much of, if I see it at a great price and can afford to I will always stock up a bit and freeze it.

 

I was sick and busy last week and did a terrible job planning.  Produce got wasted.  I hate that.  I did make a large pot of bean soup with a meaty ham bone I found in the back of the freezer and we ate that for several meals.  I still cooked mostly from the pantry and didn't shop for much, except on the busiest day (Halloween) when I gave in and bought frozen pizzas and salad mix for dinner - a very rare thing.

 

This week I am doing better.  I shopped for produce and just a few other things.  I bought beef to have tonight.  We have been eating nothing but pork for like a month now, and we need a break.  I usually spread it out more and supplement with a weekly roasted chicken, since we love the leftover meat and the stock I make, but I haven't done that for a while.

 

On Sunday I made a couple of awesome new dishes I thought I'd share.  My husband raved about them when I served them, and then gushed again when I served the leftovers.  The pork recipe was for a loin, but I am going to try the spices on my next roast.  So good.

 

Apple Glazed Pork Loin

http://littlebcooks.blogspot.com/2013/09/apple-glazed-pork-loin.html

 

Potato leek pancetta gratin

http://www.riverford.co.uk/recipes/view/recipe/potato-leek-pancetta-gratin

 

 

I also made this great veggie soup which is very flexible I think but a bit different from what I usually make.  I subbed a couple things for what I have (used Garbanzo beans and pork stock) and served it with homemade bread.   I threw in a parmesan rind to add flavor and used most of my last fresh zucchinis from the garden (I have some shredded in the freezer still).  Delicious!

 

Tuscan Vegetable soup

http://www.recipegirl.com/2009/01/25/tuscan-vegetable-soup/

 

This week:

Sun - shredded pork tacos

Mon - Tuscan Veggie soup and bread

Tues - leftover pork loin and potatoes, salad

Wed - leftover shredded pork with  tortilla chips and salad  (*also made a big pot of pinto beans to eat and freeze)

Thurs - beef, braised leeks, roasted potatoes, greens (veg are all from our garden)

Fri - sausages, sweet potato fries, salad

Sat - ham, potatoes, cranberry sauce.....??

 

Not sure after that....but it will be pork  ;)  Oh - I am going to buy a turkey next week if they go on sale.  I am taking over hosting Thanksgiving this year, and I really want to practice one (I make one every year, but not usually for a big crowd!).  I also want huge amounts of easy leftovers and stock  :)  And it will hopefully satisfy our poultry cravings so we can get back to eating our pork.

 

Sorry for the long post.  After 2 weeks in a thick brain fog, I guess I'm feeling chatty.  Tomorrow I pick up my hams and bacon from the smokehouse, so that will be nice!


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Does anyone take advantage of wild herbs/weeds growing in your yard and garden?  My salad greens patch is getting overrun with chickweed....and I know you can eat it and I nibble it here and there, but I'm not using it like I could.  Sandor Katz has a recipe for chickweed pesto in Wild Fermentation, but I am skeptical.... I nibble sheep sorrel and lamb's quarters.  I cook an occasional dandelion green and make dried nettle tea....but there are lots of other edible greens out there I would like to get to know better.  And I don't really use those familiar ones in any quantity that could replace our regular preferred greens......Does anyone know how to use them well?


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I found 3 cans of expired organic pumpkin in the pantry.  Oops.  I decided I'd better just plan to use it up right away.  Yesterday I made some mini pumpkin cheesecakes with crust out of GF ginger snaps from the pantry and today I used the leftover crust mixture as a topping on some pumpkin muffins.  Yum!  Still have a can and a half.....Maybe add some to baked oatmeal for breakfast?  I bet that would be good.....

 

I made a ham yesterday and used some with our eggs this morning.  Tomorrow I'll make a big batch of almond flour crepes and we'll fill them with ham, cheese and kale from the garden.

 

I've got a jar of wild rice that has been around for a bit so I'm going to make some Emerald City Salad with fennel, kale and chard from the garden and some peppers that have been in the produce drawer a while and really need to be used.  I'll thaw some stock overnight to use to cook the rice (made from some of my pork bones when I was clearing the freezer).

 

I also have some farrow.....anyone have a good recipe for this?  This is why I am focusing on my dry goods mostly right now.  I bought this sometime on impulse but it has been sitting.  I am also going to clean out my baking drawer.  I have an assortment of different flours I have purchased when experimenting with GF baking, but some have been in there for quite a while.  Now that I can smell again, I need to sniff test them to see if they are still any good.  Plan how to use what can be saved and toss any that smell rancid.

 

My family has been complaining about the lack of cereal and crackers.     I really want to get away from buying them regularly (or at all!). 


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I'm just getting so burnt out on cooking and being frugal.  I fall into this food rut every few months and HATE all cooking and frugality and it's so hard to pull out of it.  It's not that I truly lack the time.  I've done "from scratch" cooking for years, even when I've been busier than I am now.  But man is it hard to do all the time 24/7.  

 

Last night waas a sort of "stir fry."  I pulled some carrots from the garden, found the last few sugar snap peas, and green beans, added a bag of edamame from the free*er and some green peppers and added brown rice and some ginger, garlic, and soy sauce.  It was good.  And even better that I pulled those veggies since we had our first snow this morning.  Breakfast was the last of the eggs and toast and clementines.  I have some chicken to cook for the kids tonight but I'm lacking in inspiration.  I think I'm making some chocolate chip cookies for snack.  I have two more pumpkins to cook down eventually but there's not a ton of room in the free*er for them once I process the puree so I'm holding off.  I just need to get back in the groove of cooking again.  I've been off for about 2 weeks.


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Justmama I do the same thing. We tend to fix the exact same meals over and over because they are easy. I've been trying to change it up a little with different spices.

 

 

 

Not sure if this thread is still going really, but here is today's meal plan.

 

Breakfast: waffles {we have a lot of frozen waffles thanks to a promo}

Lunch: Cabot cheese & crackers

Dinner: Beef Pot Roast with potatoes & carrots, going to try to do something for dessert too maybe a cake or cookies.

 

Also going to try to bake a loaf or two of date & cranberry bread. I have a bunch of mixes to use up, and it makes for good snacking food while out.


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I punched some numbers today and was pleased that in November I've spent $200 less than usual on groceries. :D This pantry challenge must be working.  I don't think I even tried that hard.  DH and the kids didn't notice anything.  I think I'll try to continue a bit longer, at least for the first half of December.  Can't deprive anyone during the holidays.


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We have been just doing the minimum at the grocery store for fresh stuff for the last month and it's showed in our finances thankfully.  We got a thanksgiving basket from our landlord so we were blessed with a big turkey that is currently cooking and we'll free*e the meat and make stock to free*e plus we have tons of canned goods and boxes of jello and pudding now which is great.  


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Is there going to be a winter challenge or can I sub here?


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