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#61 of 107 Old 12-02-2006, 04:45 AM
 
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do you have any close friends or neighbors... i have given food to neighbors in the past... a box of cereal gallon of milk.. a frozen cassarole... its not that big of a deal to us and they were very grateful...

are you cupboards totally bare? check out the meal planning forum... i wish you were closer, i could fix you up with my fully stocked freezer... did a huge feed the freezer this week

is it possible to ask someone for a few bucks say $10. that could get ramen noodles, a couple cans of veggies and a gallon of milk to last a few days..

taking on a credit card at this point,while not ideal if used conservately could be a life saver... you and the kids HAVE to eat...
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The truck seems to be the major source of money loss, yet I haven't seen a suggestion yet of just turning in back in. Sure, you'll lose what has already been paid, but has the dh talked to whomever he has the truck loan left and explained he just can't pay for it and turn it back over to them? I have known of people who had to do this when they just couldn't afford the payments. The car place would rather you hand them the keys than have to repo the thing. I had to do this with a house one time. The first month I had zero money for the house payment, I went to the loan company and asked if they would take the house. I handed over the keys and they did not forclose. It never even appeared on my credit rating.

If that truck loan was gone, you could then purchase what you need. An as other pp have stated, there are other vehicles which will fit three car seats. We've never needed an SUV for that.

Have your doctor help with the court thing. It can be postponed or done via speakerphone. Write to the court and include a note for the dr. asking for a later court date.
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i really wish we could go down to one car....but Dh has to work and i have to take DS#1 to school and pick him up... i have soo many doc.. appointments .. i have to see them twice a week....it is almost impossiable to have only one car..But i do like the babysetting idea....I have a horriable feeling we are gonna ahve to take out a Credit card.....We have to keep the truck... its not an option ot sell it.. they only want to give us 20K for it... we have to pay 32K for it... its just not worth it....

Thanks everyone... i signed up for some GPT.....so we will see how that goes... and im gonna see if EX-dh can send some child supppor early.....
(emphasis mine).... only $20,000.... wow.... I'm sorry, you don't have it very bad at all. Heres me.... I had a van my mom gave me about two years ago, with 200,000 km on it... it just died on me, and now I have NO VEHICLE AT ALL.... no second or third car.... I don't even know how I will pay for a new used one... The most I will get for my old van is probably $500 for parts.... and I will have to borrow $ to pay for something that will last me through the winter.... theres snow everywhere here (interior B.C.).... and I live 20 min. drive from town either direction. all there is in my town here is a gas station. I have no income, either.

you don't have it hard at all. sorry, but that just bugged me. I suggest you sell your gass guzzler, and try to find a nice suburban car... they can be quite big...

food stamps should be for people who don't have $34,000 vehicles sitting in their driveways.

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OK, just to make sure I have this straight:

You owe $32,000 on the truck?

And you can only get $20,000 if you sell it?

Or is that $20,000 from the dealership?

And if you get $20,000, you'd still owe $12,000?

If you "only" owed $12,000, could you get the monthly payments reduced?

I think right now you need to think about your immediate financial situation, not long term planning. That means you need to get your monthly expenditures down as much as possible. Reducing the payment on that truck might help with that. I know that it's not the best financial long term plan (to take a loss on the truck). But a worse long term financial plan is to get yourself in crazy credit card debt or worse.
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(emphasis mine).... only $20,000.... wow.... I'm sorry, you don't have it very bad at all. Heres me.... I had a van my mom gave me about two years ago, with 200,000 km on it... it just died on me, and now I have NO VEHICLE AT ALL.... no second or third car.... I don't even know how I will pay for a new used one... The most I will get for my old van is probably $500 for parts.... and I will have to borrow $ to pay for something that will last me through the winter.... theres snow everywhere here (interior B.C.).... and I live 20 min. drive from town either direction. all there is in my town here is a gas station. I have no income, either.

you don't have it hard at all. sorry, but that just bugged me. I suggest you sell your gass guzzler, and try to find a nice suburban car... they can be quite big...

food stamps should be for people who don't have $34,000 vehicles sitting in their driveways.

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Wow, this was kind of harsh...If you read all her posts, you would know that she hasn't been married very long and her husband bought it when he was still single and didn't have financial obligation to his wife and her children...and yes she says she can sell it for perhaps 20k but they OWE 32k on it.

Food stamps should be for people who can not afford decent food for their family, HOWEVER they got themselves into those circumstances. You would deny this woman and her children food because her husband made a poor financial decision before they met? I'm surprised!
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I have NOT read all of the replies, but how about being a post partum doula? You'll do things like help new moms out by making dinner, doing laundry, vaccuuming, cutting up snacks for her to eat through the day...you may also be asked to hold the baby when mom sleeps or showers, if it's a fussy baby. Around here, they make around $20 doing it, it's on your own time, and you can always do it when your dh is home (in the evening) or if you can find somebody to swap child care with for your kids (ie: you go to a client for two hours, then they go grocery shopping for two hours, no childcare money spent). Advertize at the hospital, at OB offices, in yoga studios, at the library in the kid's room, in pediatrician's offices, and on fliers in community areas on base. And then, when you have your baby, you can take a break, but would be able to take the new one with you in a sling or an abc for your back when you're ready to go at it again...hope that helps.

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majazama, this is YOUR signature and yet you proceed to judge MAMACITA. While I can understand your point, your words were not said in love or kindness. While your situation may be more desperate, this mama's situation is desperate to her. She came here asking for help, and all you give her is harshness, judgement, and no compassion. We don't know her ENTIRE situation, we have not walked in her shoes. Maybe there is more that we are not aware of. Maybe there are ideas that she herself is not aware of and this thread is helping her.

My hope would be that as a fellow mama in need (however we all determine the definition of *need*) you would be able to give her some sage advice. We are all mamas trying TO DO OUR BEST with what we have.

Mamacita~ I know that things seem so grave right now, but many mamas have offered great advice. You are in my prayers that relief is felt soon, somehow.

mjazama~ you too are in my prayers that somehow relief comes to your plight.

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hi all. a new update.. we went to a dealership yeaterday and are going again today... trying to trade this truck in... but noone will help us..we will be upside down on the payments.. that really scares me... I would love to get a bigger car.. I have a 98escort that DH drive to save gas..We never drive the truck....i would love to take dh to work.. but he had PT every morning at 5am and then comes home to get ready for work....after he goes back to work and has the car.....Dh is a SGT and he has a lot of different things to do on post and needs a car... last week one oh his soldier almost cut his finger off.. Dh has to take him to the hospital....we will get by somehow...i woke up this morning to our cell turned off.. our only phone line......its seems that things can always get worse......there are other mommas who are worse off...im sry that some of you feel like im whinning and cuz we have a 32K rig SITTING in the driveway that we have nothing to worry about... what you don;t know is..is that it is sitting..Dh hates that he bought it..... but why sell it.. we would still have the same payments(from what the dealers have been saying) and without the trucki do use it when i have to .. for doctors for me and the kids....Thank you all for giving advise... i will prolly be talking to dh about babysitting for sme other mommas.... i like that idea.. but what do i feed these kids.. if i don;t have food for us???

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I really think you just need to go ask for some food - at a church, food bank, whatever. That is your first concern - feeding your family.

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I think that dealerships give you less than individuals when you sell a vehicle. Could you try selling it directly to a person?

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This might not be something you want to do, but I've seen many posts where the mama lays out all her budget items. There are people on here who are wonders with budgets! They might be able to spot something that you hadn't thought of before. Would you be comfortable doing that?

Could your husband get a second job?

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hi all. a new update.. we went to a dealership yeaterday and are going again today... trying to trade this truck in... but noone will help us..we will be upside down on the payments.. that really scares me... I would love to get a bigger car.. I have a 98escort that DH drive to save gas..We never drive the truck....i would love to take dh to work.. but he had PT every morning at 5am and then comes home to get ready for work....after he goes back to work and has the car.....Dh is a SGT and he has a lot of different things to do on post and needs a car... last week one oh his soldier almost cut his finger off.. Dh has to take him to the hospital....we will get by somehow...i woke up this morning to our cell turned off.. our only phone line......its seems that things can always get worse......there are other mommas who are worse off...im sry that some of you feel like im whinning and cuz we have a 32K rig SITTING in the driveway that we have nothing to worry about... what you don;t know is..is that it is sitting..Dh hates that he bought it..... but why sell it.. we would still have the same payments(from what the dealers have been saying) and without the trucki do use it when i have to .. for doctors for me and the kids....Thank you all for giving advise... i will prolly be talking to dh about babysitting for sme other mommas.... i like that idea.. but what do i feed these kids.. if i don;t have food for us???
who is the truck loan through? Is it dealer-financed? If they didn't originally finance it, they can't really say whether selling it would reduce your monthly payments.

And I'm told that dealers tend not to offer good prices... especially not when they smell desperation. Car dealers aren't nice people.

Getting into CC debt is bad stuff, mama. It is so much worse than taking a hit on an overpriced truck, IMO.

My husband is military, and we are a one-car family. It's commoner than you think it is. My mama managed to raise me and my brothers on-post with one car, too, and so can you. He can carpool or bike to work. He can shower at the gym or at the unit HQ, bring his uniforms, change at work. His soldiers will have to find transportation for themselves once in awhile.

And your kids can use the bus routes. It really will be ok.
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I don't understand why he's have the same payments. If you can only get 20k for it and he owes 32, you'd be upsidedown 12k. You don't need an expensive SUV- buy a used car or van that will last you a few years for aroud 5k and you'd have an obligation on 17k total. 32/=17, the payments would HAVE to be lower.

Another option is to sell the vehicle privately. Find out what the blue book value is and list it in the auto trader. When you get the payment use part of it to buy a cheap vehicle for cash and pay the rest in a lump on the truck loan, reducing it.

My husband's car is paid off and I badly wanted a new car (mine was actually unsafe), but we couldn't afford it. We figured that we could either afford the payment OR the insurance, not both. I bought a vehicled from my parents for 4k. It is decent, but it isn't the greatest either. I figure if we have this cheaper vehicle for 2-3 years we'll be in a better place financially and we can get something nicer later.
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Do you have a plasma donation place that pays cash? We have one here in Abilene and dh and I have started doing that for extra $$. I know that you would not be able to donate but your dh could, and that money could at least get you some groceries. Is there any way you can have someone take over the payments on your truck? A co-worker of mine recently did this, another co-worker essentially bought the car from them and started making the payments.

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I second putting the ad in the paper and seeing if you can sell it outright-go see what it's worth on Kelly Blue Book (I think you can do that online?) and price it a little below that. Since it's the holidays, maybe you'll have better luck. Base legal can give you some ideas on the legal aspect of selling it or go to the library and get a book on it. If you can sell it like that, hopefully you can pay down/off the loan, have some money for immediate needs, and you'll have way lower car payments, registration/licensing, etc. Good luck!

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I don't know if this will help you right now, but since it seems you don't have phone at all right now, I thought I would suggest it since it seems the cheapest way possible to get set up with an emergency phone. Virgin Mobile (http://www.virginmobileusa.com) has their K10 phone for $19.99 (which doesn't include sales tax, but does include shipping) which includes $20 for minutes, which cost $.18 each (oh, and you get $2.50 in minutes for activating the phone). The minutes don't expire for 3 months, so you get set up for 3 months for $19.99, if you go really easy on the minutes, it will last the whole 3 months.

I just thought I would mention it since the phone is probably the next top priority after the food.

Is there a CarMax in your area? My dad is really big into cars, and he's found they offer almost what he could get in a private sale of his cars. They'll pay you for the car even if you don't buy the next car from them, so you could look on Craigslist for your next vehicle, and not worry about the dealer ripping you off with that.

I don't think I would just turn the keys in to the loan company or let them repo it if all possible, because they will tack on lots of fees for repossession, and what they end up getting for the truck will probably be even less than what you can get for it.
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Another option is to sell the vehicle privately. Find out what the blue book value is and list it in the auto trader. When you get the payment use part of it to buy a cheap vehicle for cash and pay the rest in a lump on the truck loan, reducing it.
I'm not sure this is an option, since she wouldn't have the title to sell the truck privately. I am assuming she would need to pay off the truck to obtain the title....

OP--I would do what I can to get food until the baby is born (foodbanks, church, foodstamps, military aid, whatever), and not worry so much about the money right now. Could you get a medical excuse for the court date, due to your pregnancy issues? And maybe go after the baby is born? The baby will be here in a few months, and the other issues can be worked out then. Your health, and the baby's health, are the most important thing right now.
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Many people find someone to take over their payments. That is one way of "selling" your vehicle to a private party without a loss and without needing the title.

Some sites I found when we were looking into this option (as a buyer) were www.leasetrader.com www.swapalease.com Google and you will find many more. Craigslist may be another option.

Many people are in a similar position in our current economy. Upside down with their mortgage, car loans, etc.

Good luck and good health to you
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majazama, this is YOUR signature and yet you proceed to judge MAMACITA. While I can understand your point, your words were not said in love or kindness. While your situation may be more desperate, this mama's situation is desperate to her. She came here asking for help, and all you give her is harshness, judgement, and no compassion. We don't know her ENTIRE situation, we have not walked in her shoes. Maybe there is more that we are not aware of. Maybe there are ideas that she herself is not aware of and this thread is helping her.
I apologize... it was late at night when I wrote that. I realized in bed, that shoot, my signature totally contradicts what I said, but it does say *something that's good to TRY to do*... I'm not perfect.

***MAMACITA***I get the idea that maybe you have a lot of debt? Maybe try to get involved with a debt advisor, or change your $ over to a no-interest debt-free card.... so you can pay it off without drowning.
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I just wanted to tell you again I am sorry. I hate that feeling- I hate everything about being poor- even if it looks like you should have money- I so know that is not always the case.

Can I be nosy and ask you- did your husbands pay go up when he married you and took on the kiddos? Or can he not get cost of living change for the kids because you get child support? I know several mams who also have one car (me included) ( but in your case it just doesn't seem right to owe the amount of a new car still- if you dont even have the car- 12K is the cost of a new car! I hate upside down loans!) Also, I know many mamas who are military and get food stamps. But they do count your "rent and utilities" that the gov. pays for base housing against your income.

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Also, I know many mamas who are military and get food stamps. But they do count your "rent and utilities" that the gov. pays for base housing against your income.

Yep, they count housing allowance as "unearned income". It's what is keeping us (also a military family) from receiving food stamps, otherwise we'd qualify.

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Owing $12K for something you no longer have is better than paying 32K on something you use seldom. Get rid of the car. Go back the the dealer and tell them there is no way you can make payments any more, get the best deal you can, and walk away.

We went down to one car for a long time because of financial problems. I used cabs a lot. They look expensive on the surface but compared to a $300+/ mo car payment (PLUS repairs, gas, maintnence, and insurance), it was nothing. actually I would have your dh take a cab on the days you need a car so you do not have to haul three carseats into a cab. I have personally gotten three carseats in an Escort so I know it is possible.

If it is between food and losing out on the car deal, lose the car. Cars are losing deals no matter what. In the end you have paid for something that is worth nothing. Cut your losses before it gets worse. You do not want to fall behind, lose the car anyway, still owe money, AND have bad credit.
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I guess yooper has a point! Have you tried to sell it without a dealer? They always try to rip you off. Could you sell a 06' for 32K in the private market?

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Owing $12K for something you no longer have is better than paying 32K on something you use seldom. Get rid of the car. Go back the the dealer and tell them there is no way you can make payments any more, get the best deal you can, and walk away.

We went down to one car for a long time because of financial problems. I used cabs a lot. They look expensive on the surface but compared to a $300+/ mo car payment (PLUS repairs, gas, maintnence, and insurance), it was nothing. actually I would have your dh take a cab on the days you need a car so you do not have to haul three carseats into a cab. I have personally gotten three carseats in an Escort so I know it is possible.

If it is between food and losing out on the car deal, lose the car. Cars are losing deals no matter what. In the end you have paid for something that is worth nothing. Cut your losses before it gets worse. You do not want to fall behind, lose the car anyway, still owe money, AND have bad credit.

: This is really good advive. To the OP, plenty of people get by with 1 car, yeah its tough but sometimes its needed. If you are unable to buy food, because of a car payment then its a pretty good idea to nix the car.

Like Yooper one car with casual use of cabs is still cheaper than owning a car you can't afford. I live in Maine and my dh & I have lived with 1 car since we have been here, with advanced planning its really not that bad.

I'd give the car back, and deal with that remaining 12K when you are in a better position to deal with, my guess is like others have mentioned if you give it back now you will have less crap to deal with.

As far as obtaining credit cards to live off of, I think that is a bad idea, eventually you have to pay em back and then you have a worse headache.

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Can I be nosy and ask you- did your husbands pay go up when he married you and took on the kiddos? Or can he not get cost of living change for the kids because you get child support?
The military doesn't give you additional money for dependents.

The military gives you extra money to live off post if need be. If there is no room in the barracks, a single soldier can get money to live off post, too. A married soldier will get a little more money to live off post than a single soldier, but they don't get more money every time a child is born. There is a "with dependents" or "without dependents" rate, and that is all.

How much you get also varies depending upon location, rank, and length of service.

MAMACITA's family lives on post. Her DH's pay wouldn't have increased. His "extra" pay comes in the form of a house and utilities.
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(emphasis mine).... only $20,000.... wow.... I'm sorry, you don't have it very bad at all. Heres me.... I had a van my mom gave me about two years ago, with 200,000 km on it... it just died on me, and now I have NO VEHICLE AT ALL.... no second or third car.... I don't even know how I will pay for a new used one... The most I will get for my old van is probably $500 for parts.... and I will have to borrow $ to pay for something that will last me through the winter.... theres snow everywhere here (interior B.C.).... and I live 20 min. drive from town either direction. all there is in my town here is a gas station. I have no income, either.

you don't have it hard at all. sorry, but that just bugged me. I suggest you sell your gass guzzler, and try to find a nice suburban car... they can be quite big...

food stamps should be for people who don't have $34,000 vehicles sitting in their driveways.

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ironic conisdering your above post.
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majazama, this is YOUR signature and yet you proceed to judge MAMACITA. While I can understand your point, your words were not said in love or kindness. While your situation may be more desperate, this mama's situation is desperate to her. She came here asking for help, and all you give her is harshness, judgement, and no compassion. We don't know her ENTIRE situation, we have not walked in her shoes. Maybe there is more that we are not aware of. Maybe there are ideas that she herself is not aware of and this thread is helping her.

My hope would be that as a fellow mama in need (however we all determine the definition of *need*) you would be able to give her some sage advice. We are all mamas trying TO DO OUR BEST with what we have.

Mamacita~ I know that things seem so grave right now, but many mamas have offered great advice. You are in my prayers that relief is felt soon, somehow.

mjazama~ you too are in my prayers that somehow relief comes to your plight.


oops, sorry crossposted...
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When you have a car loan, it's harder to sell to an individual, but it's still very possible. It's easier if you go through a car broker. What's the blue book on the truck? You can find out at www.kbb.org or www.edmunds.com.
I have a friend that was $5,000 upside down on her car, and HATED her car, so she traded it in for a $13,000 truck, took out a $18,000, 3 year loan and paid off the upside down amount and the truck as quick as possible. The only think I think she should have done better is not pay so much for the truck (It was only a 12,200 truck) and get more for her car (It was worh 4,000, they gave her $3,000 on trade-in). If she'd been better prepared when going to deal with the car dealer, she'd have saved $1800 ($1K on the car and $800 on the truck), but she was happy with her plan.
On the other hand, I think she could have taken out a $6,000 loan, sold the car, paid off the loan with the car sale proceeds + some loan money, and bought a $1000 car. But she really wanted a new truck, so she did it her way. It did work for her.

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I second trying it with one car also.

I used to have to get up and take my dh to work at 5am...with the kids...on days we needed a car. If I didn't need the car, we just let him take it. Now we live on a bus line and close to the subway, so it is no longer an issue.

Can your ds ride the bus to school,
and you can just keep the car on days that you have dr appointments or other errands to run?

I know you said that he has occasions where he needs to drive another soldier somewhere...but they can't expect him to do that if he doesn't have a vehicle that day...and I wouldn't think they could hold it against him either.

I once sold a car to a private party that was still financed. I don't remember exactly how...but we went to the DMV with the people and signed some papers over. Then the title was somehow sent to them. It required more footwork...but it was definitely doable.

Best of luck to you!
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thank you all for your advise..... i am am trying to apply on-line to Tx assitance program.. in the mean time our WIC is no avaible and that wil help.....im still tryin gto find some food banks in our area....and we might have a person who is willing ot take over payments of the truck.. just as long as they are appoved through our loan company... thank you all again for your thoughts and advise....

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(emphasis mine).... only $20,000.... wow.... I'm sorry, you don't have it very bad at all. Heres me.... I had a van my mom gave me about two years ago, with 200,000 km on it... it just died on me, and now I have NO VEHICLE AT ALL.... no second or third car.... I don't even know how I will pay for a new used one... The most I will get for my old van is probably $500 for parts.... and I will have to borrow $ to pay for something that will last me through the winter.... theres snow everywhere here (interior B.C.).... and I live 20 min. drive from town either direction. all there is in my town here is a gas station. I have no income, either.

you don't have it hard at all. sorry, but that just bugged me. I suggest you sell your gass guzzler, and try to find a nice suburban car... they can be quite big...

food stamps should be for people who don't have $34,000 vehicles sitting in their driveways.

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Life is hard. For all of us. My dh's car was just totalled when he was rear-ended. It had 260,000 miles on it. We do have a second car, it has 159,000 miles and I HAVE to drive my teens to school every day, there's no bus from here. (45 miles round trip)

I have ms and working is hard. Dh works 100 miles from home (200 miles round trip).

We live 2 miles down a dirt road, 35 minutes from the nearest place to get groceries or gas for the cars.

You have no income. What if came here to rant about the horror of it all and were told to get a job? Wouldn't you think that was lousy?

This woman is preggers, sick, and miserable. She's trying to find a way out. SOmetimes you get so cought up in it all, it's hard to find a way out.


Compassion. The woman is in trouble and neds a hand. IS my case worse than yours? does hat mean if we were both to apply for food stamps, only the one of us found worst off would qualify?


I do't care WHAT you own, or how much you have. Food should be available for EVERYONE. (And IMHO, brown rice, dried beans, least expensive veggies in season, etc should be free, to everyone.)
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Life is hard. For all of us. My dh's car was just totalled when he was rear-ended. It had 260,000 miles on it. We do have a second car, it has 159,000 miles and I HAVE to drive my teens to school every day, there's no bus from here. (45 miles round trip)

I have ms and working is hard. Dh works 100 miles from home (200 miles round trip).

We live 2 miles down a dirt road, 35 minutes from the nearest place to get groceries or gas for the cars.

You have no income. What if came here to rant about the horror of it all and were told to get a job? Wouldn't you think that was lousy?

This woman is preggers, sick, and miserable. She's trying to find a way out. SOmetimes you get so cought up in it all, it's hard to find a way out.


Compassion. The woman is in trouble and neds a hand. IS my case worse than yours? does hat mean if we were both to apply for food stamps, only the one of us found worst off would qualify?


I do't care WHAT you own, or how much you have. Food should be available for EVERYONE. (And IMHO, brown rice, dried beans, least expensive veggies in season, etc should be free, to everyone.)

I already apologized and I'm usually not one to make posts of this nature. it was late. I was trying to fit in to another message board that was dissing MAMACITA, and I guess I typed before I thought. I'm never one to post things like this, especially since I didn't read the whole thread.

sorry *MAMACITA*... I was judging you unfairly. I don't know you at all.

get a job, hmmmm... that would be interesting. I worked over the summer. But as I have no vehicle, it's kinda hard to go anywhere. snow, anyone? Anyways, I much prefer doing crafts and trying to make my own living than work for someone else.
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