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liangel's Avatar liangel 07:38 PM 05-11-2008
My key:

:= Groceries
=Gas (that gets an angry face cause of gas prices)
= Spending other than gas or groceries
=No money left my hands at all

5/1-
5/2-
5/3-
5/4- : $132 groceries
5/5-
5/6- $7.00, Mothers Day card and B-day card
5/7-
5/8-
5/9- $41 gas (didn't even fill up only 3/4), $45 nails
5/10-: $48 groceries (lunch/bkfst/snacks for work should last 2 weeks, actually I'll make it last 2 weeks)
5/11-

urchin_grey's Avatar urchin_grey 09:16 PM 05-11-2008
May 6 ~ $40 on (real) groceries - $20 on unneeded chips, ice cream, and stuff for smores (I've been craving smores and the ice cream was on sale so I wanted to stock up).

May 7 ~ :

May 8 ~ $34 @ Toys R Us (DS's b-day part is this week) - $9 @ Smoothie King

May 9 ~ $3 @ Burlington Coat Factory (got a great deal on some educational books for DS!) - $47 on much needed pest control items, airtight food containers to keep out said pests, and a new pillow - $4.50 on bottled water and a snack because I left ours at home *duh*

May 10 ~ :

May 11 ~ :

Key
no spend
planned/needed
unneeded
items for DS using SSI $$$
: no driving other than going to work (we work opposite days/shifts so unfortunately its rare for us to have a totally car-free day)
jaceycat24's Avatar jaceycat24 09:19 PM 05-11-2008
5/1 $13 post office, $24 groceries, $30 gas
5/2
5/3$24 tv wires(will be returned) and vitamins $2.50 unnecessary chips
5/4$5 mcdonalds
5/5$15 gas
5/6$22 groceries and meds for haven allergies(unexpected)
5/7 $8 mcdonalds, $34 gas, $54 walmart for pets
5/8 $18 walmart mothers day present
5/9
5/10 $14 hardware store
5/11

goals for may pay off midwife~done~ and pay towards upcoming car insurance bill.

so far unncessary spending $15.50


i guess i am not doing too bad since midwife is paid off already.
tiffany21074's Avatar tiffany21074 09:42 PM 05-11-2008
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11-Was with hubby on his on-call today and spent 8 dollars in snacks, but it did come out of on-call fund, so overall
jaceycat24's Avatar jaceycat24 09:44 PM 05-11-2008
wow your doing great!
mamimapster's Avatar mamimapster 10:56 PM 05-11-2008
May 1: No Spend
May 2:4.14-Flowers for Nana,10.16,2.00 Thrift,10.16 Buzz,20.26 Groceries
may 3No Spend/ No Drive
May 4No Spend/No Drive
May 05 gas 30.00,Post 7.38-No Unbugeted spending
May 665.44Groceries,30.70 Thrift,10.00 gift,6.00 tip for brunch
May 712.ooGroceries,10.00 dr copay,4.00 parking-No Unbudget spending
May 817.26 Groceries (mainly for cats),+15.00 ebay-no unbudget spending
May 925.03-Gas, 20.00 Seedlings & annuals,12.00-two used but irresistable small wahm CD's
May 10No Spend, No Drive
May 11Gardening supplies & house reapair 46.06,+15.49 returns,1.98 Snacks, 9.45 Mother's day ice cream.

May Goals:
No unbudget spend days goal 15/30,7/30
No Drive Days goal: 10/30,3/30
No frivolous spending over 100 actual: 33.01/100
Sold items 25/50
Thrift/HB kit items: 32.70/40
Decluttering/organizing 30 min day 6/24
Grocery budget 114.96/375-Extra for price increase & extra person in household.
Baked/bulk cooking:3/13
Study/Daven daily goal 3/26

April a bust...

March:Nospend14/31,No Drive: 5/31,frivolous spending147.41/100,Sold items 57/50,Decluttering 18/26,Grocery 331.27/350,Bulk: 6/13, Study23/31

Feb:No spend 11/29,No Drive7/29,No frivolous spending: 127.01/100 Sold items 60/50,Decluttering 30 min day 11/26,Grocery budget 352.59/350 Baked/bulk cooking 7/1
Jecca's Avatar Jecca 11:08 PM 05-11-2008
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May
1 NO spend!! :
2 $7.00 lunch, $15.00 at good will
3 $4.00 coffee mugs that match my dishes
4 $15.00 on 6 pullets un budgeted
5 No spend :
6 No spend :
7 No Spend :
8 $4.22
9 No spend :
10 $30.00 plants at the farmers market and lunch and a few beers
11 N spend :
12
13
14
15
16

No spend 15/31 5/11
Hollysmom's Avatar Hollysmom 11:20 PM 05-11-2008
May 1 -
May 2 - $21 on take-out (Friday is our order in night)
May 3 -
May 4 -
May 5 - $292 Groceries & Household items, $5 for some shipping
May 6 -
May 7 - Gas $77
May 8 - $135 for clothes for dd1 from a co-op, $125 for school application fee (necessary but I forgot about it) $3 for snacks at swimming
May 9 -
May 10 - $30 for lunch for Mom, $20 for birthday gift from last month :
May 11 - $46 Gas, $14 for lunch on the road


Planned Spending:

Groceries/Household $292/$500
Meat order $175
Misc. $28/$100
Gas $123/$150
Take-out $35/$100
Mother's Day $30/$50
DD2's birthday party $100
My 40th Birthday $100

Unplanned frivolous spending $135
Unplanned necessary spending $125

No Spend days 5/20

Key:

No spend
budgeted/necessary spending
frivolous/unbudgeted spending
CityChic's Avatar CityChic 11:52 PM 05-11-2008
May 1 - Good day! I have grocery cash in my purse. I thought about spending it at lunch, I didn't! Yay!!!

May 2 - : $6.97 Umbrella purchase, ugh, we couldn't find either umbrella this morning. Feeling good about the new budget. Now I just need encouragement. I am supposed to put $900 toward debt on Monday and am struggling. $900 is a lot and it makes me nervous...*deep breath*

May 3 - : PayPal $5

May 4 - : Gift $11.15

May 5 - : Target $58.04

May 6 - I need a good day so I am making one! Whew!!

May 7 - Good day. Tomorrow I have to ship a couple things. I still have some of my spend allowance available and I am hoping that this covers it.

May 8 - AND I just paid off a credit card!!

May 9 - : $17.27 on additional groceries

May 10 - : $62 cash, $60.08 Gift

May 11 - And put $550 toward debt

***
Pay $400 toward debt - $776.27 / $400
15/31 No Spend Days - 5/15
Total Overspend - $220.51
meandk0610's Avatar meandk0610 12:00 AM 05-12-2008
1 -
2 - 150.34 groceries, 20 household, 79.73 pets
3 - 15 book/healthcare (but paid with "extra" earned in paypal account)
4 -
5 - 280.78 groceries, 36.34 household (garden)
6 - 80.90 groceries, 15 delivery fee for Amish food
7 -
8 -
9 -
10 - 60 groceries, 6 pets
11 - 74.95 pets, 135.40 unbudgeted (business expense)

goals:
22
groceries 400
pets 100
use dryer as little as possible
try to leave tv off more

progress:
groceries 572.02
pets 160.32/100
household 56.34/20
unbudgeted 150.40/0
5/22 s
allborntogrow's Avatar allborntogrow 12:06 AM 05-12-2008
1:
2.83 on a pack of thank-you note cards to thank people for gifts for DS's birthday
2.99 on ice cream (large size tub on sale )
6.00 on a BART card that got me to and from school tonight and will again next week (I will classify this as neccesary but wanted to report it anyway)

2:
No Spend! Yay!

3:
No Spend! Yay!

4:
5.99 + 5.53 on groceries (needed)

5:
10.23 on some items for the new baby - not needed immediately but they were on clearance and something I knew we were going to need, so I purchased them early.

12.85 on groceries (needed)

6:
5.83 vinyl mattress pad for twin bed

7:
No spend! Yay!

8:
No spend! Yay!

9:
No spend! Yay!

10:
No spend! Yay!

11:
I knew that this was going to be a bad day, but it didn't end up being quite as bad as I thought it was going to be . . .
$10 on a mother's day gift and $18 for mother's day lunch
$11.87 groceries
$140 on new cell phones and contract renewal. I know I know! However, hubby's phone was broken so he did need a new one, and we got him the cheapest one - they just really get you on those taxes. I could have kept using mine but I was able to get a unbelievable deal through my work for the phone I wanted and I did get some birthday money so . . . I went ahead and bought it.
josybear's Avatar josybear 12:45 AM 05-12-2008
may 1:
may 2:
may 3:
may 4:
may 5:
may 6:
may 7:
may 8:
may 9:
may 10:
may 11: 20$ for yummy pad thai

week 3: 27$
73$ remaining for the month

(the budget is 100$/week for food, transportation, outings, etc, 100$ a month for clothes, gifts, craft stuff, etc)

march: 48% no-spend days
april: 56% no spend days
BurtsGirl's Avatar BurtsGirl 10:30 AM 05-12-2008
May 1
May 2
May 3
May 4
May 5
May 6
May 7
May 8
May 9
May 10
May 11
May 12

Key
No Spend
Planned/Budgeted Spending
Unplanned/over budget Spending

5/15 No Spend days!
mamaof6's Avatar mamaof6 10:42 AM 05-12-2008
5/1
5/2
5/3
5/4
5/5
5/6
5/7
5/8
5/9
5/10
5/11

Had a great Mother's Day, but we can't eat out anymore this month. I don't want to go over on coffee this month, so I need to stay away from coffee shops. I hope you all had a blessed Mother's Day.

Jill


Key
No Spend
Budgeted Spending
Unbudgeted/Overbudgeted Spending

My Plan

Track Groceries $571.95/$750
Track Gas $178.16/$300
Track Coffee $24.16/$25
Track Frivolous Spending $0/$50
10 no spend days 4/10
26 days no Big Box stores 9/26
No Credit Cards 11/31
jaceycat24's Avatar jaceycat24 12:45 PM 05-12-2008
5/1 $13 post office, $24 groceries, $30 gas
5/2
5/3$24 tv wires(will be returned) and vitamins $2.50 unnecessary chips
5/4$5 mcdonalds
5/5$15 gas
5/6$22 groceries and meds for haven allergies(unexpected)
5/7 $8 mcdonalds, $34 gas, $54 walmart for pets
5/8 $18 walmart mothers day present
5/9
5/10 $14 hardware store
5/11
5/12

goals for may pay off midwife~done~ and pay towards upcoming car insurance bill.

so far unncessary spending $15.50


i guess i am not doing too bad since midwife is paid off already.
Scribe's Avatar Scribe 12:51 PM 05-12-2008
Grrr...

Self:
May 1:
May 2: $6 on breakfast, end of week splurge
May 3:
May 4:
May 5: $18 PO, $43 wedding gift, $4 thrifting
May 6: $7 coffee and breakfast, $4 thrifting
May 7:
May 8: $67 shoes
May 9: $7 breakfast
May 10: $27 thrifting, $4 burger stand lunch
May 11: $16 thrifting, $7 coffee and snack
May 12: $2 on cinnamon roll for Mark, $16 renewing domains; $60 Old Navy (gah)

Joint:
May 1: ($54 on dog meds)
May 2: ($60 groceries)
May 3:
May 4: $20 groceries, $30 pizza
May 5:
May 6:
May 7:
May 8:
May 9: :$25 rum
May 10:
May 11: ($73 on groceries)
May 12:

Personal spending: $284
Joint non-essential spending: $55
MissLotus's Avatar MissLotus 01:18 PM 05-12-2008
5/1: $2.47 post office/ $16.51 groceries
5/2: Spent nothing
5/3: Spent nothing
5/4: $15 gas/ $62 groceries and pet supplies/ $5 Goodwill (got a nice J. Crew cardigan!)
5/5: Spent nothing
5/6: Spring nothing
5/7: $20 groceries
5/8: Ordered $30 of natural household/health stuff.
5/9: $9 post office
5/10: $8 pizza lunch/ $18.13 mall (got a $30 shirt for 2.99!)/ $61.12 groceries
5/11: $17 lunch out
Crunchy*VT*Mom's Avatar Crunchy*VT*Mom 01:32 PM 05-12-2008
Time to tally up the weekend damage, FIDO, and get back to no-spending

01..
02..
03.. $8 knitted shawl
04..
05..
06..
07..
08..
09..
10.. $27 garage sales, Starbucks, fancy bread
11.. $10 ice cream
12..
13..
14..
15..

My Goals:

9/20 No-Spend Days
12/31 Fast Food Free Days
3/10 Let the car rest days
$45/$100 unecessary spending
scrapadoozer's Avatar scrapadoozer 04:32 PM 05-12-2008
05/01
05/02 Shaving cream (for a craft project) $1, Plate for dd $1.50.
05/03 Dyeing supplies $21, toy for dd $1
05/04
05/05
05/06
05/07 Books @ Goodwill $3, Tie dye kit $1, Swap shipping $15
05/08
05/09
05/10 MP3 player $40
05/11
05/12

Finally broke down and bought myself an MP3 player. It's not so bad as I did some babysitting for a friend and was able to pay for it with that money. Wednesday I am returning some of the unopened dye I purchased earlier in the month so I should be able to take $8 off of my unnecessary tally then.

Goals
8/20 No spend days
$83.50/$150 Unnecessary spending
Patrick's mummy's Avatar Patrick's mummy 04:52 PM 05-12-2008
01: $1 on biscuits for midwife visit, $3 on ice lollies etc for the kids.

02: Was doing really well this morning and then caved in and bought the kids chocolate after school -$1. Our kitchen really badly needs cleaning so I didn't want to make dinner in there so we ate out - $30. I then went to the store for cleaning products, milk and some muffins we didn't need - $15.

03: No spend and no drive!

04: Took the boys swimming - $18 for all of us. We packed snacks for the way home but we needed some fruit and meat, so spent $18 at Aldi.

05: Spent $40 on groceries which included a picnic for day out today. DH spent $4 on sweets for the kids at the museum but the money was actually from a neighbour. DS1 asked for ice cream but didn't get, so I wasn't as weak as usual! (And I wanted one too!!)

06: So pleased with myself - took the kids to the park after school and did not cave in and buy them sweets/choc/ice cream en route! No spend.

07: Did a grocery shop - $100, which is within budget and included diapers for nighttime. Prior to this, spent $3 on treats to quieten DS2 who was driving me crazy! But this will come from the grocery budget. Took DS1 and DS2 to the park after school but did not spend on drinks/ice cream so feel fairly good about the day's spending.

08: Today is my birthday!! And it's also a no spend day!! We did get take out for dinner but my MIL sent the cash for that as my birthday gift, so technically not expenditure AFAIC. Feeling pretty pleased with myself!

09: $4 groceries - mostly necessary plus a little treat for my big bump!! We went to the park after school but I turned DS1's pleas for ice cream/sweets etc down. We may go for ice cream tomorrow as a weekend treat

10: $40 haircut - an annual event so don't feel too bad about that plus I had birthday money to spend. $6 on birthday cards, toilet paper and storage tubs. $20 on groceries and some labour foods for me and for my kids to take to their babysitter's when the time comes, $2 raspberry leaf tea......So, hardly a no spend day but it could have been way worse.

11: $50 on a meal out - $40 of that was a gift from my MIL for my birthday, so our expenditure was technically $10. To have a nice trip out and no dishes, I'm happy with that.

12: $2 card for my brother - shouldn't have bought that, cards are one thing I am trying not to buy as homemade is just as nice and costs virtually nothing. $3 treats for kids and soda for me - again, should have said no. $10 groceries - really overspent on fancy stuff from an expensive shop, this stuff just lasted for lunch today, nothing to show for it now. [B]Today has not been a good day.
liangel's Avatar liangel 05:39 PM 05-12-2008
My key:

:= Groceries
=Gas (that gets an angry face cause of gas prices)
= Spending other than gas or groceries
=No money left my hands at all

5/1-
5/2-
5/3-
5/4- : $132 groceries
5/5-
5/6- $7.00, Mothers Day card and B-day card
5/7-
5/8-
5/9- $41 gas (didn't even fill up only 3/4), $45 nails
5/10-: $48 groceries (lunch/bkfst/snacks for work should last 2 weeks, actually I'll make it last 2 weeks)
5/11-
5/12-
Danielle283's Avatar Danielle283 06:08 PM 05-12-2008
01: :
02: $44 Groceries
03: ($50 Gift card from test drive)
04: $50 gas, $60 DH's uniform, $55 dinner w/MIL.
05: : ($17 from surveys)
06: $30 Groceries, $10 mday cards $5 video game rental for DH (used a coupon though! )
07: :
08: : ($10 Amazon.com GC from surveys)
09: : (DH made $150 fixing a friend's car!)
10: $7 @ hardware store.
11: $117 Groceries $9 lunch
12: ($27 from Surveys)


Key:
No spending
Planned spending
: No driving
unneeded spending
made extra money (surveys, babysitting, etc.)
mamimapster's Avatar mamimapster 07:07 PM 05-12-2008
May 1: No Spend
May 2:4.14-Flowers for Nana,10.16,2.00 Thrift,10.16 Buzz,20.26 Groceries
may 3No Spend/ No Drive
May 4No Spend/No Drive
May 05 gas 30.00,Post 7.38-No Unbugeted spending
May 665.44Groceries,30.70 Thrift,10.00 gift,6.00 tip for brunch
May 712.ooGroceries,10.00 dr copay,4.00 parking-No Unbudget spending
May 817.26 Groceries (mainly for cats),+15.00 ebay-no unbudget spending
May 925.03-Gas, 20.00 Seedlings & annuals,12.00-two used but irresistable small wahm CD's
May 10No Spend, No Drive
May 11Gardening supplies & house reapair 46.06,+15.49 returns,1.98 Snacks, 9.45 Mother's day ice cream.
May 1266.17 Groceries, will spend $$ to take mom out to dinner tonight too.

May Goals:
No unbudget spend days goal 15/30,7/30
No Drive Days goal: 10/30,3/30
No frivolous spending over 100 actual: 33.01/100
Sold items 25/50
Thrift/HB kit items: 32.70/40
Decluttering/organizing 30 min day 7/24
Grocery budget 172.13/375-Extra for price increase & extra person in household.
Baked/bulk cooking:3/13
Study/Daven daily goal 4/26

April a bust...

March:Nospend14/31,No Drive: 5/31,frivolous spending147.41/100,Sold items 57/50,Decluttering 18/26,Grocery 331.27/350,Bulk: 6/13, Study23/31

Feb:No spend 11/29,No Drive7/29,No frivolous spending: 127.01/100 Sold items 60/50,Decluttering 30 min day 11/26,Grocery budget 352.59/350 Baked/bulk cooking 7/1
Hollysmom's Avatar Hollysmom 08:05 PM 05-12-2008
May 1 -
May 2 - $21 on take-out (Friday is our order in night)
May 3 -
May 4 -
May 5 - $292 Groceries & Household items, $5 for some shipping
May 6 -
May 7 - Gas $77
May 8 - $135 for clothes for dd1 from a co-op, $125 for school application fee (necessary but I forgot about it) $3 for snacks at swimming
May 9 -
May 10 - $30 for lunch for Mom, $20 for birthday gift from last month :
May 11 - $46 Gas, $14 for lunch on the road
May 12 -


Planned Spending:

Groceries/Household $292/$500
Meat order $175
Misc. $28/$100
Gas $123/$150
Take-out $35/$100
Mother's Day $30/$50
DD2's birthday party $100
My 40th Birthday $100

Unplanned frivolous spending $135
Unplanned necessary spending $125

No Spend days 6/20

Key:

No spend
budgeted/necessary spending
frivolous/unbudgeted spending
ErikaLeigh's Avatar ErikaLeigh 08:24 PM 05-12-2008
How do I set goals?

I am moving back out from my mothers and in with friends, so I need some help with saving money to get back out on my own!

I also have some debt to pay!!
anarchamama's Avatar anarchamama 09:01 PM 05-12-2008
Here we go! Hopefully may will be a good month for us, and we will be able to pay down a little more debt before the baby comes!

My only real goal is to stay within our budget

1-Cheese $131.70, gas $45.36, thrift shop $40.40
2-car insurance rebate $68!, library fines $5,
3-
4-batteries $11.18, groceries 140.29
5-chiro $5.25, wool wash $12.27
6-phone 139.89, dinner 27.27, book 20.20, donation $25
7-
8-$9.48 fries, $44.79 groceries, $46.64 cc interest
9- $470 mtg and taxes,
10- $10 library, $40 books, $125 groceries
11-
12- $25 allowance and parking $$,

1374.72/$3268
114.56/$105.42
no spend -3
josybear's Avatar josybear 09:57 PM 05-12-2008
may 1:
may 2:
may 3:
may 4:
may 5:
may 6:
may 7:
may 8:
may 9:
may 10:
may 11:
may 12: 13$ for groceries

week 3: 14$
73$ remaining for the month

(the budget is 100$/week for food, transportation, outings, etc, 100$ a month for clothes, gifts, craft stuff, etc)

march: 48% no-spend days
april: 56% no spend days
mumkenna&lucas's Avatar mumkenna&lucas 11:51 PM 05-12-2008
5/1
5/2 $26 dress, $32 m's clothes
5/3
5/4
5/5 $12 chico bags
5/6
5/7 110 wrap
5/8 $28 dd dress, $30 dd shoes, $7.50 Fairytale Town
5/9
5/10
5/11
5/12 haven't added it up yet..

May Spending Goals:
No Spend days: 9/23
No etsy/DS/ebay: 12/25
mamimapster's Avatar mamimapster 01:05 AM 05-13-2008
May 1: No Spend
May 2:4.14-Flowers for Nana,10.16,2.00 Thrift,10.16 Buzz,20.26 Groceries
may 3No Spend/ No Drive
May 4No Spend/No Drive
May 05 gas 30.00,Post 7.38-No Unbugeted spending
May 665.44Groceries,30.70 Thrift,10.00 gift,6.00 tip for brunch
May 712.ooGroceries,10.00 dr copay,4.00 parking-No Unbudget spending
May 817.26 Groceries (mainly for cats),+15.00 ebay-no unbudget spending
May 925.03-Gas, 20.00 Seedlings & annuals,12.00-two used but irresistable small wahm CD's
May 10No Spend, No Drive
May 11Gardening supplies & house reapair 46.06,+15.49 returns,1.98 Snacks, 9.45 Mother's day ice cream.
May 1266.17 Groceries, :30.00 for a not good meal out
May Goals:
No unbudget spend days goal 15/30,7/30
No Drive Days goal: 10/30,3/30
No frivolous spending over 100 actual: 63.01/100
Sold items 25/50
Thrift/HB kit items: 32.70/40
Decluttering/organizing 30 min day 7/24
Grocery budget 172.13/375-Extra for price increase & extra person in household.
Baked/bulk cooking:3/13
Study/Daven daily goal 4/26

April a bust...

March:Nospend14/31,No Drive: 5/31,frivolous spending147.41/100,Sold items 57/50,Decluttering 18/26,Grocery 331.27/350,Bulk: 6/13, Study23/31

Feb:No spend 11/29,No Drive7/29,No frivolous spending: 127.01/100 Sold items 60/50,Decluttering 30 min day 11/26,Grocery budget 352.59/350 Baked/bulk cooking 7/1
allborntogrow's Avatar allborntogrow 01:22 AM 05-13-2008
1:
2.83 on a pack of thank-you note cards to thank people for gifts for DS's birthday
2.99 on ice cream (large size tub on sale )
6.00 on a BART card that got me to and from school tonight and will again next week (I will classify this as neccesary but wanted to report it anyway)

2:
No Spend! Yay!

3:
No Spend! Yay!

4:
5.99 + 5.53 on groceries (needed)

5:
10.23 on some items for the new baby - not needed immediately but they were on clearance and something I knew we were going to need, so I purchased them early.

12.85 on groceries (needed)

6:
5.83 vinyl mattress pad for twin bed

7:
No spend! Yay!

8:
No spend! Yay!

9:
No spend! Yay!

10:
No spend! Yay!

11:
I knew that this was going to be a bad day, but it didn't end up being quite as bad as I thought it was going to be . . .
$10 on a mother's day gift and $18 for mother's day lunch
$11.87 groceries
$140 on new cell phones and contract renewal. I know I know! However, hubby's phone was broken so he did need a new one, and we got him the cheapest one - they just really get you on those taxes. I could have kept using mine but I was able to get a unbelievable deal through my work for the phone I wanted and I did get some birthday money so . . . I went ahead and bought it.

12:
No spend! Yay! (Goodness knows I needed it after yesterday!!!)
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