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I figured it's high time I started a new thread!

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This Thursday I'll be going to the heating assistance office to put in an application for energy assistance. This will be a godsend if I can get it because there'll be a newborn in the house! I'm okay with bundling up and being chilly if it's just me and the hubs, but I don't want the little one to get sick.

I decided to drop WIC. Due to the driving distance of my local office, and the foods I can get, it just wasn't worth it to me at this time. I'd rather eat a little healthier now that I can afford it, and not have to go to a town I'd never visit other than to pick up my vouchers, kwim? I'm not judging anyone using this program, of course, it just wasn't working for me any longer and I see no point in taking funds from something that can be used for someone that can really use it.

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WIC is a blessing for us, my DD drinks so much milk that alone helps us. Our office is only 10 minutes away and it's super easy for me.

Honestly I've been thinking about the energy assistance, we could get more pellets for our stove possibly. Dh's hours have been a little erratic. We'll see, we have probably 160 bags-that should get us through.

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What did I just get myself into?

My relatives from Tx are visiting and I offered to make tomorrow nights dinner and make my gluten free Muffaletta style sandwich since they love to try new GF food since my cousin and both her kids also have Celiac. I obviously was not using my brain when I made the offer A single sandwich takes about 3-4 hours from start to finish (making the bread itself is 2.5-3 hours) then you still have the fillings. We only eat this on special occasions becasue its so time consuming and expensive since I only buy meat without additives and such, plus I use real swiss cheese and then you got the veggies which are all out of season. Its probably $15-20 to make it and it feed the whole family. Here's were I wasn't thinking. There's usually left overs so I figured I would only need to make one and my mom points out how my relitives are big eaters so I will have to make 2, ok... then they announce my uncle will be coming up tomorrow too and he will be joining us for dinner as well so now I need to make 3! Well I don't have enough spring form pans to make 3 (it stays in the pan until served) so I decide to make it in a cake pan and think 1 will be enough and call my mom to make sure and nope, need to make 2 cake pans worth at least! This is going to cost a dang fortune and we only have $60 left in FS for the month! (which is about what I needed to get fresh veggies each week) I at least have the meat but this has taken a MONTHS WORTH of lunch meat from my freezer Tomorrow I'll have to go buy more swiss cheese and veggies I'm sure they would more then be willing to help pay the cost but call it pride, I don't want to have to ask for money to pay for a dinner I offered to make crap! I better make sure I have enough flour! If not I'm gonna have to drive an hour into the city to buy it This is ridiculous!

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ok, I think I figured this out I think 1 9x13 cake pan will be enough for 6 adults and 2 kids if I also make some soup. I'm thinking potato soup http://allrecipes.com/Recipe/Delicio...up/Detail.aspx (I'll make a separate dairy free version for the kids) and I will make extra bread to dip in it. Think that will work with ham and swiss subs made with Focaccia bread? Tomorrows high is 45F and its supposed to be windy as usual. ah! I forgot desert! http://glutenfreegoddess.blogspot.co...pkin-cake.html Its gonna be a long day! I'll get all the dry stuff mixed up tonight and do the prep chopping so that should save me a lot of time tomorrow.

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Satori, I understand pride but in your situation I can also understand asking for help. You offered to make dinner, but you didn't know that it required cooking in such a quantity. When they are requesting more food and more mouths to feed I don't think it's stingy to ask for assistance if you need it. Either way I hope you have a fun evening!

Norasmom, I completely see your point about WIC. Our office is forty miles away and we drink more soy milk than regular (which is not covered). I'm also hoping to breastfeed so assistance with formula hopefully won't be necessary. I figure if I'm not really in need of it or using it, why take it from someone else? And it's also an environmental ideal for me-I'm in a position to get more earth friendly products for nearly as cheap (which means I'm lucky, of course!) and now I'm in a position to afford that.
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Satori, thanks so much for taking the time to post that link, in the midst of being so busy with all your food preparation!

I seem to always screw those links up, so it was a relief not to have to mess with it this time!

Let us know how it goes with your dinner! Sounds yummy -- but I hope it didn't end up being too overwhelming cost or time-wise.

I agree with happyhats that there's nothing wrong with asking for help -- but I can also understand how you're feeling.

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Satori, I totally understand what you are going through. I have shot myself in the foot like that as well.

On another note for some reason, my children's Medicaid got denied for renewal in October. I have spent many hours on the phone trying to find out why and no one knows. They have to investigate further. Now it is November and still no approval. I need to call back and find out again what is going on.

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In WA we are pretty lucky because we get organic milk and can sub other things if necessary. When I was b/feeding I liked that I got so much milk, because when I was nursing I drank a ton of it. We also got organic carrots and some other stuff I cannot remember.

IDK if all states are doing this, but in WA as of next year WIC is going to be changing due to differing ethnic backgrounds and new fed policies...We will be getting brown rice, tofu, WW tortillas, vouchers for fresh veggies. In WA it will not be until Oct 09, but they will start an implementation in July of 09. Just an FYI. I believe that soy milk and some other things will be available.

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Satori - I think the soup idea is great, and you can cut the sandwiches into smaller pieces and let everyone fill up on the soup. That reminds me I have a bag of potatoes I need to use up.

I just got WIC last month and it really is helping us sooo much. It was difficult getting those food stamps to stretch over the whole month, but now I think we're going to be ok. I use the milk to make cream soups and sauces and milk and cheese for cheese sauce. With the juice vouchers, I get some fruit juices for my 3 year olds(I try to always dilute with water due to the sugar and it stretches them out too), but I also get V8... You can use V8 for meat or veggie sauces, soups, or even the occasional bloody mary well I'm pregnant so not drinking any alcohol, but I like the taste of it plain and chilled as well. The apple juice you can get makes a good sweetener for oatmeal or muffins. I have heard of people making jellies, but I haven't tried this.

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Hi all! I'd like to join in this thread for the fall. I'm a SAHM to two boys, 1 and 3. My DH is a graduate student in Neuroscience, and right now we're scraping by on his stipend. We're currently enrolled in WIC, although my babe just turned 1 so I'm no longer eligable, even though he's still about 85% breastfed. I never posted in the last thread, but I checked in on it every once in a while. I'm currently looking into energy assistance and food stamps. I know very little about the programs and eligability requirements though. This is a very hard place for me to be in. I was raised in a very affluent home. My husband was raised by a single mom who worked 3 jobs his whole life and was always on some sort of assistance. So he certainly understands the need for assistance and is willing to do what it takes, but there is a certain amount of pride on both our parts that says we should be able to do it on our own. I really appreciated the portions of the last thread where people were talking about the small luxurys that they allow themselves. Sometimes I feel like we could get by on what he makes without assistance at all, but it would include cutting so many things down to the bare bones, and no wiggle room at all. We're currently still relying a little on student loans to make ends meet, and we have some CC debt that isn't budging because we always end up using them to bridge some gaps. We do have internet and cable and cell phones, but cutting any of those out would make things very difficult for us. We're going to have to start paying on those student loans eventually, and we arn't saving anything at all right now. He has about two more years of being a student, and then I'm confident we'll be on the "giving back" end of the spectrum.

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Welcome, Amanda! And

rockportmidwife -- we got a denial letter, too -- but it turned out that our caseworker had been in training and so when we'd sent our new paperwork in, it had just sitting there and hadn't been processed. But when we got our denial letter and I called, they found our paperwork and everything was fine.

And I think that even happened once in the past -- I think sometimes they get behind, but the "you're being denied" letters get sent out like clockwork. I hope that's all it is in your case!

Guess what -- dh just found out the Food Stamp guidelines have changed for our state! We'd previously lost all our Food Stamps when dh got a small raise -- but according to the new guidelines, a family our size with our income qualifies for at least $250 a month (or maybe it was just $150)!

Even if it's just $150, that will be such a help to us, and maybe help budge us out of this tight place we're in! : As you can see, Amanda, I don't feel ashamed to take some help rather than struggling along with the bare minimum.

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HAPPY FALL!!!

Satori, I have been in your place at different times in my life. I still don't like to ask anyone for help. Sometimes we need to. Although you offered to make the meal for your realitives, adding more people to the mix is not fair to you. Ask them to help pay for the meal. They should understand the cost given that they too have a food restriction.

Things have gotten a bit better for us these last few weeks. Dh is now working and has been garrentteed a job after grinding is over. YEAH!!! I'm not on WIC right now because of transportation, not sure if I'll get back on. Last month, I over spent on the food stamps, but it worked out so well for this month, I have some extras that did not get used. Will buy the same this month as the kids will be home for a week for the holidays.

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Mylittlewarrior-why would you not be eligible for WIC because you child just turned 1-it's for women and children up to the age of 5, so both of your children would qualify.

I had a denial letter when I was pg with my DD, well it actually was a spenddown letter. We just decided we'd spend what we could and try to make things work, it ended up they had screwed up my income royally, and in June when I was 6 months pg a new caseworker looked at my stuff and I had qualified for pregnancy medical for the ENTIRE time. I was so pissed and happy, I actually got all my medical bills that I had paid reimbursed.

It sucks because you can get someone who really is great and then there are people who obviously hate their jobs and treat you like dirt. It can be infuriating.

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Mylittlewarrior-why would you not be eligible for WIC because you child just turned 1-it's for women and children up to the age of 5, so both of your children would qualify.

I had a denial letter when I was pg with my DD, well it actually was a spenddown letter. We just decided we'd spend what we could and try to make things work, it ended up they had screwed up my income royally, and in June when I was 6 months pg a new caseworker looked at my stuff and I had qualified for pregnancy medical for the ENTIRE time. I was so pissed and happy, I actually got all my medical bills that I had paid reimbursed.

It sucks because you can get someone who really is great and then there are people who obviously hate their jobs and treat you like dirt. It can be infuriating.
She may have meant that *she* didn't qualify anymore. At least here, the mother only qualifies until 1 year if you are breastfeeding. IIRC. (3 or 4 months if you aren't, if I'm not mistaken.)

I have an appointment on Monday for re-evaluation- I'll have to talk to them, too. For some reason, they have DH making *way* more than he actually does, and for some reason (I think I know why) that we have $450 lying dormant in our bank account. Not so. (I think it's because when we took the bank statement in, our rent money was in the account. I told them, but they don't like to listen here. When DH was temporarily unemployed, I went in for an appointment, and the lady asked me what DH did for work. I told her he didn't have a job right then, and she said "How long has your husband been lazy (pause) unemployed for?":

I probably need to call them tomorrow. Even though they sent me a letter saying I have an appointment, they sent me another letter after that saying I need to set up an appointment. I dunno...

We are qualified for WIC, but DH and I decided that we feel better if we don't use it. DD and I are lactose intolerant, and while they coud substitute my milk for Lactaid, not DD's. I don't drink that much milk, and none of us are big cereal eaters, so the only things we would/could get were peanut butter/beans, cheese, eggs and juice. I will be bfing, so we won't need formula.

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That is what she meant...here in WA they just have good offering with it that I can't really justify for us going off of it. I did for a little while but then realized that it was really helping us right now. My DD drinks so much milk. They let us have organic, lactose free, pretty much whatever you want.

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ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ok, so I run to the store and get what I need. Run by my moms house to borrow a cake pan and my uncle is there but no he's not staying for dinner since he wants to be home by dark. That's fine, I understand, but couldn't someone freakin call me BEFORE I went shopping and spent $30?!

This happened last time too and my dad tried it like a month ago. Offered to make him a dinner that costs like $30 to make but it would make several meals I could freeze for him and he decided he wanted me to make it for everyone at the concert he was throwing and expected ME to pay for it! I told him no way! He had the nerve to get upset about it! I swear, I am not offering to cook for anyone again!

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That's not fair. We aren't allowed to get organic anything here. I have to get the cheapest of everything so that means store brand. Even though the organic peanut butter only costs a few cents more than the store brand. And the lady was really rude to me when I tried to get a different brand.

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ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ok, so I run to the store and get what I need. Run by my moms house to borrow a cake pan and my uncle is there but no he's not staying for dinner since he wants to be home by dark. That's fine, I understand, but couldn't someone freakin call me BEFORE I went shopping and spent $30?!

This happened last time too and my dad tried it like a month ago. Offered to make him a dinner that costs like $30 to make but it would make several meals I could freeze for him and he decided he wanted me to make it for everyone at the concert he was throwing and expected ME to pay for it! I told him no way! He had the nerve to get upset about it! I swear, I am not offering to cook for anyone again!
Does your mom not realize how tight things are for you guys? I was rather shocked when you said she told you you needed to make more than you'd been planning to make, but didn't offer to help out with the cost -- but I didn't want to come off as critical of your mom or anything.

It just puzzled me 'cause it seemed (to me) that she was being rather insensitive about your situation. But I realize I could have it all wrong! Please don't think I'm cutting down your mom!

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That's not fair. We aren't allowed to get organic anything here. I have to get the cheapest of everything so that means store brand. Even though the organic peanut butter only costs a few cents more than the store brand. And the lady was really rude to me when I tried to get a different brand.
Well they are trying to stop the organic milk, but IDK what happened with that. I checked WA WIC website and it hasn't said anything has changed. Here the checkers don't even care, but the sign under the peanut butter states any brand peanut butter. Also any cheese on the check, so it can be any brand. States are so different with their programs, seems so strange to me.

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I've been checking into the Food Stamps guidelines for our state (Missouri) -- and I'm a little puzzled. I'd always heard that they expect the SAH parent to be working or in job-training once all of the kids are school-aged. I went to check it out, to make sure the age hadn't been lowered or anything (our youngest turns 4 in March) --

And according to the information on their site, I guess there can be a SAHP in the home as long as there's a child under 18, without it interfering with Food Stamp eligibility!

Now I'm wondering if something's changed in the rules, or if I was previously told wrong, or if I'm missing something ...

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I've been checking into the Food Stamps guidelines for our state (Missouri) -- and I'm a little puzzled. I'd always heard that they expect the SAH parent to be working or in job-training once all of the kids are school-aged. I went to check it out, to make sure the age hadn't been lowered or anything (our youngest turns 4 in March) --

And according to the information on their site, I guess there can be a SAHP in the home as long as there's a child under 18, without it interfering with Food Stamp eligibility!

Now I'm wondering if something's changed in the rules, or if I was previously told wrong, or if I'm missing something ...
Well, I've collected food stamps in 2 states and I have never heard of any working requirement. They just look at your gross income and family members. It's the reformed welfare program TANF that requires the working or job training -- even if you're 9 months pregnant or have a infant.
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Hi there, I think I was on one of these threads a few months ago, but then lost it and wasn't sure where they were.

Anyway, I am a single mama of a 19 year old boy. I stay at home with him, but I also do childcare in my home for one 21 month old. I did have a second child that I was watching, but after today, he is not coming here. Not sure if my doing childcare qualifies me for this thread, but we are receiving assistance.

We live in Section 8 housing (Thankfully!) and also receive WIC, foodstamps, and Medicaid. I applied for heating assistance and will know at the end of this month whether we will receive it or not. I am pretty sure that we will, as according to HUD, we are in the "Etremely Low" income bracket. I hate that we have to receive assistance, but if I didn't, I would be living in a hovel working 50-60 hours a week with DS in daycare every minute of the day except for time spent in bed, and we would be living on ramen noodles and water. I am so grateful every single day for what we are able to have. (although I HATE all of the paperwork...)

Here in Vermont, we are so lucky with WIC. We still get home delivery of all of our foods. We don't have to take vouchers to the store or go to pick anything up. We don't get any organic options, but the milk is hormone free, the cheese is from Cabot, and the eggs are local, so I am happy with it. It helps so much.

My foodstamps just got cut because of a clerical error at the DCF office. I need to resubmit everything to them to hopefully get it raised for next month. We were receiving just over $300 a month (yippee!) for the two of us, but it was just cut to $170. It has been a struggle so far this month and we aren't even halfway through. I still have $100 on my card and I have bought a bunch of whole food type things to do some serious meal planning and cooking and freezing. I also have 10 meals in the freezer, so we should be able to make it.

I saw above a pp mentioned the small luxeries that you mamas allow yourselves. What are some of them? I always feel so guilty when I buy anything for myself of DS that we don't really "need", but I also realize that we are not spending nearly as much as some families who are on a "normal" income. An example recently is a toy cow that I bought for DS. I hadn't bought any new toys for him for quite a while (other than thrift store finds) and we had just visited a farm for the first time. He was so excited by the cows there, and I really try to keep his toys to a minimum and only let him have high quality wood/natural toys to play with. It means he has much less than some kids, but I feel like he really plays with what he has and he is happy. Anyway, I bought him a Holztiger cow that cost $23. I really felt like I shouldn't have been buying something so expensive, but he loves his cow so much. We had to sleep with it for a few nights and he has to bring it with him quite often when we go out of the house.

Anyway, thanks for having this thread, and I look forward to hearing from more mamas!

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Hey Pumpkin Pie and WELCOME. Glad that you could make it. That is so cool having home delivery. We're not on WIC right now but will be back on in the future. I looked on our states site and we are supposed to have started getting the checks for the farmer's market. The lady that I spoke with was not sure but she said that it will be starting soon. I hope so.

Dh is making me look for some jars and jugs. He is bringing home my syrup and molassas. I will be making popcorn balls by the end of next week. Homemade fiddle faddle here we come.

I used to feel guilty about spending money or foodstamps on things that felt like luxuries. I don't have as much guilt now. I cook good food for my kids that they like and will make them homemade snacks. If every now and then we want to indulge in pizza or the china buffet we can.

Is anyone on any coupon trains? Does any one use coupons? I have been reading some blogs and have been getting some ideas here lately. I will try couponing again. I just hate the fact that they still charge tax on the coupons. Sometimes I don't bring cash with me to the store if I know that I'm only getting food items and nothing else.

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It's the reformed welfare program TANF that requires the working or job training -- even if you're 9 months pregnant or have a infant.

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Dh is making me look for some jars and jugs. He is bringing home my syrup and molassas. I will be making popcorn balls by the end of next week. Homemade fiddle faddle here we come.
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Mylittlewarrior-why would you not be eligible for WIC because you child just turned 1-it's for women and children up to the age of 5, so both of your children would qualify.
The boys both qualify still, but "I" don't. And as a nursing mother you get a really big package. The boy's packages are a lot of milk and juice, and not very much of the other stuff.

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Is anyone on any coupon trains? Does any one use coupons? I have been reading some blogs and have been getting some ideas here lately. I will try couponing again. I just hate the fact that they still charge tax on the coupons. Sometimes I don't bring cash with me to the store if I know that I'm only getting food items and nothing else.

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I'm not on any coupon trains right now. I have been before, but they always seemed to get derailed at my house, and that wasn't fair to the other participants, so I don't do them any more. I do use coupons though. I just recently re-started with the Grocery Game. My last shopping trip came to a total of $122 before sales and coupons. After I put in my Kroger card and handed over the coupons it came down to $46.: The Grocery Game can seem expensive, it's $10 every 8 weeks for the lists, but it more than paid for itself in that first trip. (FTR, I had done this before, and always keep a fairly stocked pantry, so I can just pick out the very best deals, and then fill in with any immediate needs. Most people just starting out take a few weeks to accumulate coupons and get a stocked pantry before they start seeing that kind of savings. But you can save from day one. It's really great.) There ae a few threads about it floating around in this forum. They have a 4 week trial for $1 so you can see if it works for you.

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Satori- I'vebeen in that situation too. But it's my mom asking me to bring expensive dishes to family gatherings, and stuff. I have tried to kind of bargain, and say, hey I can bring this instead, but that doesn't always work. It took a long time for them to understand how little we could actually spend on groceries, and that on Wednesday, I had already purchased what we needed, and there wasn't any money left for 'just a few small things, really' What can you do when it's family, YK?



well, I spent about 2 days on the phone trying to get our medicaid stuf figured out. It turns out there had been a mistake with mine, so that's fixed, and that DS1's was just a change in category, but they sent me a confusing letter anyway. So, it's all worked out, and we three- the boys and I, have medicaid for now. Whew. Tomorrow I take the baby in for hisvery first WIC appointment, an I'm going to see about being a peer breastfeeding support person.

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MylittleWarrior-yeah I realized what you meant after my posting, I thought you meant you guys didn't qualify anymore.

I don't do coupon trains, I do use them though...you can save a boatload of money. I also don't do Grocery game, I have started really following sales and corresponding coupons with my purchases. It is nice to use them. I'm actually kinda addicted. For me I have been following sales at my local store religiously, I am having my Dad save coupon inserts and buying the paper weekly. My DH has been super impressed with the amount of $$ that I can save in a trip. Just this week alone I got a coupon off of contact solution for him, that is $3.50, that will make his solution 1/2 price. I also see that my local store has yeast on sale. I have a BOGO coupon for that. I have a bunch of others, a huge box in fact and I know what's in there...It really can be a substantial savings.

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