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If a neighbor's dog had killed some of your chickens and you saw it come around again after you'd talked to them about it, would you shoot the dog?

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I would call animal control, and/or better secure my birds first, personally.
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I'd also secure the chickens and call animal control first. But if it still kept coming on my property, yes.
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Um, no

My German Shepherd would kill my chickens if I didn't have them locked up properly. So, I have them very secure, and I've had no problems.

My neighbors dogs come on our property and they too are Shepherds and have killed their chickens. With proper safety measures your chickens don't need to be in danger, and you shouldn't be punishing the dog for doing something that comes naturally.

I would call animal control if anything, but shooting a dog seems kind of like over-doing it

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Have you tired using your hose?

The only way i would ever kill a dog is ifi was in immediate personal danger, or it was suffering.

I would however ask my neighbors to pay for the chickens, and tell them if the dog was back on my poperty that i would be keeping it and calling the shelter.

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Yes. Every time. I shoot my dogs when they murder my birds, and I likewise have and will continue to shoot trespass dogs.

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If it was a place like my hometown where there are no shelters or animal control then yes it'd be like any other animal that came on & destroyed my animals/property. I'd try talking to the neighbors first & most likely shooting the gun into the air, not all dogs like guns & it may be enough to scare it off.
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Man, I guess I live on another planet or something but this seems really wrong to me! Dogs don't have instincts do be gentle and kind with birds, they want to chase them, and get them.

What about training, or discipline? Not killing!

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Man, I guess I live on another planet or something but this seems really wrong to me! Dogs don't have instincts do be gentle and kind with birds, they want to chase them, and get them.

What about training, or discipline? Not killing!
How do you train someone else's dog? It sounds like the op has contacted the dog's owners and its not helping.

I grew up on a large ranch. We did have several stray dogs or neighbor dogs that would chase our cows. Its nearly impossible to get them to stop once they've started and the owners never seemed to try very hard to get them to quit. So we did have to kill a few dogs. Right now we have 2 neighbor dogs that insist on coming to my house to torment my dog and my cows. I can't really secure my cows any more than they already are and the owners have no interest in doing anything about it.
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In our state the law is: if the dog is killing your livestock or poultry, you may kill it. http://www.animallaw.info/statutes/s...6_89.htm#s6552 And that's exactly what I'd do. Once a dog realizes what it can do, there's no stopping it. I would, however, for the sake of the dogs owners offer ONE second chance: keep your dogs off my property and away from my chickens or they WILL be shot. End of story. Also, in this state you are entitled to compensation for the lost animals. File a police report the next time, and try to get compensated.

It sounds like your state has similar laws for compensation, but different regarding your rights to kill the dog. Apparently you need to report it, and it needs to go before a judge it looks like. Here's the link: http://www.animallaw.info/statutes/stusncst67_4.htm#s1 Look under "§ 67-1. Liability for injury to livestock or fowls" and "§ 67-3. Sheep-killing dogs to be killed"

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A dog that wants to kill a chicken will do darn near anything to kill the chicken.
You can tell the owners... but in the end if the dog comes back twice it will never stop...
If the dog were dead I bet it will not come back and kill any more chickens.

this goes for any livestock.... chickens being the easiest animals to protect as they can be cooped up... dogs that chase lambs or foals or calves...will chase them till they pass out and then the dogs use them as ragdolls...I am sorry.. but the only thing I know that will break the habit is moving or shooting the dog.
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If a neighbor's dog had killed some of your chickens and you saw it come around again after you'd talked to them about it, would you shoot the dog?
Of course not!

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If your entire livelihood and the ability to feed your family depended on something not killing your livestock, you would shoot a dog. If you haven't been in that situation, its very easy to say you would never do it.

Chickens, cows, sheep, goats are very vulnerable. They can't escape a dog that's determined to chase or kill them. Have you ever seen a goat that's been mauled by 2 pit bulls? We didn't bother trying to deal with the owners over that, my dh shot and killed both dogs.
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A dog that wants to kill a chicken will do darn near anything to kill the chicken.
Every chicken killing dog I've ever known has been remarkably deterred by a well-secured, well-enclosed chicken coop. Willing to do anything in the name of the hunt does not necessarily also mean able to do anything.
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after I tell the neighbors and they refuse to keep their dog locked up. I might actually consider it, although we have no guns in our house.

possibly a bow and arrow...


If a dog will kill ANYTHING I would be worried about it in general. what if it bit your child? Or an elderly person? Or YOU...? eff that!

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For example:

My birds (and goats) free range and stay WELL within the boundaries of my land.
And my dogs stay in their huge pen and KNOW they're not supposed to kill birds (or goats).
If they choose to escape and kill, they pay the ultimate price.

My family relies on the food we grow to live healthily.

When my neighbors dogs come from 1/2 to 1 1/2 miles away (or more)
and kill my birds (or goats), they pay the ultimate price.

A dogs freedom does not outweigh my family's health and survival.
Period.

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Without blinking. They can just as easily contain their dog as I can my chickens. And since its my property and I had warned them (that I would shoot their dog if it killed another chicken). I would probably buy a pellet gun first and try that. That would be myform of "disciplining another's dog".
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I disagree.

My dog would kill our chickens given the chance. Hell, he would love nothing more than getting his hands on them! BUT! I have them enclosed, and he can't get to them, and that's fine.

I would complain, call animal control, do whatever else, but I would NEVER shoot someones PET for doing something that comes naturally to them. Dogs aren't meant to be BFF"s with chickens, especially certain breeds.

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Well, I guess its okay that people approach the situation from different directions, eh? But now I'm interested.

Mommariffic, you say you would never kill someone's pet for killing birds.
What if the pet were attacking your child? Or what if it were a stray
or wild animal?

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Having cleaned up the feet, beks, and feathers of what had, that morning, been a very happy and productive flock that fed my family organic, healthy eggs... yes.
To me, a life is a life. One that goes around destroying dozens of lives, taking food from the human's table... that life needs to stop.

It's heartbreaking, frustrating, and a bit traumatizing. If people kept their dogs contained, it would never happen. The guilt lies totally on the owners.

Nothing like having a neighbor dog terrorize your goat kids, kill your rabbits, chickens and ducks, and trot home. You experience it, then decide.

No, I haven't shot him. I got rid of everyone instead, as my neighbors suck beyond reason. We did shoot OUR dog, when he wiped out the flock and his aggression only progressed from there. Awful.
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The 3 S's here, too. Have done it, would do it again. People dump dogs out here and they quickly become pests. Our animals feed our family. My neighbor's dogs and stray dogs, foxes, coyotes, bobcats, hawks and owls do not.

As a matter of fact I shot at (and darnit I missed or at least did not kill it) a neighbors dog just last week when it was trying to run my rooster to death. We've told them and told them and even offered to help put up fencing....

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Well, I guess its okay that people approach the situation from different directions, eh? But now I'm interested.

Mommariffic, you say you would never kill someone's pet for killing birds.
What if the pet were attacking your child? Or what if it were a stray
or wild animal?

If a dog was attacking a child, of course I would do whatever I could to stop it...but I do personally think there's a difference between a chicken and a human being.

Dogs have a prey drive - most of them anyway. I know that my German Shepherd would love to get his hands on a chicken. Whether he was going to kill it, or just play with it and accidentally snap it's neck. I also know that my neighbors dogs wander onto our property and if one of them got in the chicken coop I'd be really upset, but I wouldn't shoot it.

If a wild animal, like a fox or bear got into my chicken coop I would just accept it as a fact of life. I don't know - I think there's a difference between someones pet and a bear, or someones chickens and a kid.

I don't really care what anyone else does, but it does make me sad to think that a dog would get shot before other measures were taken once, or twice. If you can't talk to the people without them doing anything, I'd call animal control. But that's just me!

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I've called animal control before. We lost 23 chickens and several guineas. I called them and showed them all my dead birds. They said, "I can't tell you to kill the dogs if you get the chance, but I can tell you you wouldn't get in trouble for it." Out in the country looking for a stray is like looking for a needle in a haystack. Oh, and I've called them about a neighbor's dog, too. They said all they can do is issue a warning, even though there is a containment law. They have to catch the dog in the act to do anything else.

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If the dog had previously killed chickens, the neighbors/owners had been informed and failed to keep their dog contained? And it came back and was attacking chickens/livestock again? Yup. We have an LGD to protect our goats, but our chickens run free (except at night when they get locked up to protect them from racooons/fox/opposum) Our 'farm' dog ignores them. To put the life of a dog over that of chickens/livestock doesn't make sense. Yeah, you could just build your chickens a nice, uber safe coop... but why should you do that to protect them from somebody elses' dog? If they care about their dog they should keep it properly contained to *THERE* property. If they can't do that, and it continues to harrass/kill your livestock, you have every right kill it.
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but why should you do that to protect them from somebody elses' dog?
In the interests of seeing no animals killed unless proven necessary, for the most part. : Though if I were relying on my birds for a necessary home food source they would have that structure anyway ... but then, I've never had a hand in keeping birds where wild predators were not a realistic and common threat.
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As long as the owners were previously warned.
A few years ago my 2 month old puppy got loose (for maybe 2 hours tops) & came whimpering home with a broken arrow through her chest, out near her tail. I was ticked no one confronted me, but understood quickly the tolerance of farmers in my area.
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Certainly a chicken does not equal a child in worth, and nor does a dog. But how many chickens are worth one dog? 5 is my limit FWIW.

Of course dogs have prey drive, but as a pet they are also presumably fed by someone. A predator is at least hunting to survive, a dog is doing nothing but playing. Allowing my livestock to be killed to entertain a dog is not happening. I wouldn't hesitate to kill a fox or coyote that returned to my chickens, why is a dog any different? Especially if the owner was contacted.

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1. If your neighbors will not keep their dog off your property (where I live, free roaming dogs is illegal!)

and 2. If they will not compensate you for the dead birds

and 3. If you have done all you can to enclose the birds to keep them safe from ANY predator (be it domesticated or wild)

and 4. If you cannot get into legal hot water (check those statutes!)

then yes. Shoot.

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