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Old 11-30-2005, 07:30 PM - Thread Starter
 
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My apologies if this has already been discussed...I just heard about this and did not see anything in a search.

If you live in the U.S. then this will affect you. The USDA has drafted a plan to track all livestock animals, even if you just have one chicken.
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On April 25, 2005, the USDA released "Draft Program Standards" ("St.") and a "Draft Strategic Plan" ("Plan") concerning the NAIS. If you think the description below sounds too bizarre to be true, please go here, read the Standards and Plan, and check the citations.
By January 1, 2008, the NAIS will be mandatory. (Plan, pp. 2, 10, 17.)

Every person who owns even one horse, cow, pig, chicken, sheep, pigeon, or virtually any livestock animal, will be forced to register their home, including owner's name, address, and telephone number, and keyed to Global Positioning System coordinates for satellite monitoring, in a giant federal database under a 7-digit "premises ID number." (St., pp. 3-4, 10-12; Plan, p. 5.)

Every animal will have to be assigned a 15-digit ID number, also to be kept in a giant federal database. The form of ID will most likely be a tag or microchip containing a Radio Frequency Identification Device, designed to be read from a distance. (Plan, p. 10; St., pp. 6, 12, 20, 27-28.)

The plan may also include collecting the DNA of every animal and/or a retinal scan of every animal. (Plan, p.13.)

The owner will be required to report: the birthdate of an animal, the application of every animal's ID tag, every time an animal leaves or enters the property, every time an animal loses a tag, every time a tag is replaced, the slaughter or death of an animal, or if any animal is missing. Such events must be reported within 24 hours. (St., pp. 12-13, 17-21.)

Third parties, such as veterinarians, will be required to report "sightings" of animals. (St., p. 25.) In other words, if you call a vet to your property to treat your horse, cow, or any other animal, and the vet finds any animal without the mandatory 15-digit computer-readable ID, the vet may be required to report you.

If you do not comply, the USDA will exercise "enforcement" against you. (St., p. 7; Plan, p. 17.) The USDA has not yet specified the nature of "enforcement," but presumably it will include imposing fines and/or seizing your animals.
There are no exceptions -- under the USDA plan, you will be forced to register and report even if you raise animals only for your own food or keep horses for draft or for transportation.
It sounds like bad science fiction, but it's coming our way. Here is the article from Daily Kos that this quote came from: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/10/17/01223/213

and another in-depth article here: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0511/S00146.htm

We still have time to oppose this plan, it will not be finalized until the summer of 2006...we need to inform others of this and spread the word.
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Just taking a minute for the shock to sink in.

Is this for real?

I wonder what the tags will cost, since I imagine that's the way they will fund this.

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Not going to happen easily. First off, we'll probably eat half our chickens before they can assign us a number. That is just freakin' rediculous. It'll be too hard to enforce, I hope.

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This is totally real. Check out the USDA website linked to in the quote. There's no telling how much the tags will cost. DH is optimistic that it will be too expensive to enforce.

RFID tags are already here, in Michelin tires and on merchandise boxes. If you haven't read about them, here's a good site to start with: http://www.spychips.com
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Oh I beleive that they'll try to make it happen, I am just hoping it is going to be too massive to handle.

I know they have the i.d. chips already because when we got my cat from the humane society, they put a microchip under his skin. Very strange and my cat has an i.d. number.

I just think it is rediculous to try to account for all the chickens because meat chickens only have a life of about 8 weeks or so, and that just seems weird to assign them a number. I guess the "logic" behind it is so they can track disease.

I do appreciate you drawing attention to this so we can all have a "heads up" on what legislature is doing. I love your blog by the way. Thanks for all the info on bacterial cleansing.

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I know they have the i.d. chips already because when we got my cat from the humane society, they put a microchip under his skin. Very strange and my cat has an i.d. number.
OMG, I am about to pass out. They're already doing it!

I think people can get a "flock" registration to account for multiple animals, but I think they still want to tag each individual one.

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OMG, I am about to pass out. They're already doing it!
It seems that I remember a touching story I saw on television sometime back in my tv days. Dog in Florida had chip. Dog got lost and maybe hitched a ride to Indiana. Dog got sick ended up in vet. Long long time after getting lost, Fido is reunited with his master.

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They've been microchipping pets for years. But, they're not strong enough to be read by GPS. They can only be read with a hand-held scanner from an inch or so away. So, if your pet gets lost and winds up in a shelter, they can scan to see if it has a chip.

As for the OP... oh, my freakin' god. How much is this going to cost? How much more expensive will it make keeping a couple of chickens for eggs? This is absurd!
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I love your blog by the way. Thanks for all the info on bacterial cleansing.
What info? Where? I looked at the blog, but couldn't make heads or tails of it.
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As for the OP... oh, my freakin' god. How much is this going to cost? How much more expensive will it make keeping a couple of chickens for eggs? This is absurd!
Totally absurd! Which is why we need to spread the word. Otherwise, pretty soon we'll be required to line up and chip our chickens.
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I wanna see them enforce it.


In our area that wouldnt go over well at all.
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Here is a website of people trying to stop Animal ID, they also have an online forum for organizing:
http://stopanimalid.org/
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I wanna see them enforce it.


In our area that wouldnt go over well at all.
hee hee. Authorities are challenged in our area by the marijuana crops. This is small potatoes for local law enforcement.

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They might have trouble enforcing it in the anabaptist communities. And to tell you the truth, I wouldn't buy a dog or any other animal that was chipped.

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We don't have livestock *yet*, but since I want to soon, this thing makes me sick sick sick. WI has already started a state-level registration of animals. I'm not sure what sort of animals were needed to be registered. Too busy w/2 little ones to research it. When I 1st heard of this a few months ago, I wrote to my legislators & the USDA telling them what I thought of this. I managed to keep it polite & mature except for the P.S. on the USDA's letter. I had to make a wisecrack about the fact that they are located on Independence Ave (or st or whatever). What a joke.
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Haha! I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to see some govt official in his khakis trying to round up my ducks!

Just the thought makes me giggle! Golly that would make me want to get a pig just for the sport. Be sure to get wilbur good and greased up before they come to catch and tag him.

If they are anything like the govt nursery inspectors that come otu to check on our plants....this could be more entertainment than should be legal. Global positioning for my ducks. When people in the world are starving.
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thanks for the info. the government scares me.
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Golly that would make me want to get a pig just for the sport. Be sure to get wilbur good and greased up before they come to catch and tag him.
I can't resist the chance for this major tangent. Back in high school our teachers went on strike for a day which was unheard of at the time in California. It just so happened that the strike was during national FFA week (Future Farmers of America, not that I have to explain to people planning on having illegal chickens). I was in charge of the FFA activities for the week and that particular day was the greased pig contest. There was a lot of tension on campus in the days leading up to the strike and I had already organized a student petition in support of the teachers. When I began to plan how to modify my greased pig contest so that it could be an all-school event in the Boy's Gym (think prized wood floors), my parents kept me home. It's just as well. Students started a fire and threw some chairs through a classroom window. They would have gone bananas over the greased pig.

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What if I get some of those chips for some deer roaming around here? That could be Plan B after land owner tags.

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Ok, so we went to the Minnesota Dairy Goat Convention this past weekend(we don't have goats yet, but are planning to for this spring). Anyways, one of the speakers was talking about NAIS and we learned a little. It sounds like each state would have its own laws...someone asked about chickens, and they said that you would have one id for your whole flock, not individual chickens...now according to them(and this is MN, so I'm sure each state can be different), the lady said if an animal was born, lived and died on your property...never left your land, then you wouldn't be required to do this.

My thoughts...they sugar coated everything to make it sound not so bad(even though it still sounded bad to me), people won't panic, they will just go along with it, and then the real sh*t will hit the fan and people will be surprised, but it would be too late to do anything

I am totally against the government having any more tabs on us then they already do.

On another note. I talked to this one lady there and I asked her what she thought about it, and she said she was for it, and was already signed up. We asked her if she knew how much the radio controlled taggies or whatever the heck they are called...she said she had called around and there were price ranges, but it sounded like under a dollar per animal...just an FYI!!

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I am totally against the government having any more tabs on us then they already do.
Me too. The government scares the poop outta me. Along with everyone else who support their liberty stealing programs. I would like to see someone make me microchip my horse. He wasn't born on my property and I take him to shows. I've already had the government kill one of my dogs and they threatened to kill another if we didn't use her as a guinnea pig for microchips (this was 10 years ago). (long story for both of those) I'm a law abiding citizen and I take care of my animals making sure they are all healthy, so why do I have to deal with the government every time I turn around?
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I've already had the government kill one of my dogs and they threatened to kill another if we didn't use her as a guinnea pig for microchips (this was 10 years ago). (long story for both of those)

Geez, I can't even respond through my sputtering...WTF????
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Here is a good article from Countryside Magazine about the NAIS.

Countryside Mag-NAIS article

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Definitely ok to post links! Here is one that I just received:
http://nonais.org/
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I was just coming here to post the info on the countyside article too! I thought it was very thorough. I am following this story with interest. Although I am in Canada, it seems that what happens south of the border seems to affect us regularly here. I really hope that Americans will be able to effectively oppose this. It is hard to believe that it has come to this. Will the government not be happy until everyone is part of a giant corporate machine? Sorry if I'm sounding too much like a doomsday conspiracy theorist, but is this not a little too 1984-ish?
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Oh I believe they think they ae going to do it, they write laws that we are going to do it.
I'm here in Michigan, we are just getting over the big Tb scare. They(the DNR) found Tb in wild deer and elk and random other individual wild animals. So we had to have every goat and cow tested for tb. The USDA and State Veterinarians and Extension offices are responsible for gather this information and enforcing it. They are underfunded and understaffed. They can't find your information even after you have sent it in twice. They change their mind as to what the rules are every other week and then forget to tell half the people involved. The people writting the rules have never stepped foot in a real barnyard. They care much more about having the right paperwork than about what is realy going on in your barn. Last year we got a new state vet in Michigan, this one does not care to much about tb testing, this one wants us all to toe the line on scapies identification. I raise and show goats on a national level and continually have to deal with the government on this stuff. (and don't even ask a horse person about dealing with cogins)

Here is some practical advise if you realy have to deal with it.

1.Develope a realtionship with a good, practical country vet. there are vets who will help you deal with regulations and help you with the health of your animals. They will not nail you for having an unidentified chicken.
2. Don't waste your breath arguing with the government, If they want you to put these tags in your goats ears take the tags and agree with what they say, whether or not the tags really find there way to the goats ears is up to you.
3. Buy registered animals with papers from a national organization whenever possible. My goats are registered, and have tattoos that match the papers, so far the papers and matching id have saved me from having to use government id forms (ear tags) my show animals have a microchip and that number is also on the papers because microchips are easier to use than tattoos. Only if I sell a goat without papers do I have to provide a governmant ear tag.
4. Don't report problems unless you realy have a problem. A friend found one dead bat on her property and it was found to have rabies. She ended up having to have all her animals vaccinated and go through a year of quarrentine with her animals (ya try to make a proffit on them critters then!)
If you find 20 dead bats you might have a problem, other wise shovel and shut up. - This is where having a resonable vet is helpful.
5. Remeber you are dealing with individual people who might have big egos. Be polite, nod and smile. They are understaffed and underfunded if you don't give them reason to remmeber you, they will probably forget you. They might even help you. If you want to be militant about your rights then get a lawyer and take it to court. You are banging your head on the wall trying to argue with a cog in the machine.
6. Find a reasonable country vet.
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I just read on the NoNais website that people are being enrolled "voluntarily" without their knowledge or consent. It is happening in WA state and other states as well. Here is the link to that story http://nonais.org/index.php/2006/02/01/the-usda-called/
Be sure to read the comments posted below it as well.
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This is getting way too scary. I had contemplated moving but then figured out that its only a matter of time before it spreads elsewhere.

Word is starting to spread, it's on the Organic Consumers Association website now: http://www.organicconsumers.org/ofgu/ID060202.cfm
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If you look at the sponsors of these "ideas", you'll see some interesting names - a few being Digital Angel (chips) and Tyson (chicken n' eggs) and ConAgra (beef).

Gee, ya think those companies might stand to profit from making it prit-near impossible for people to raise their own chooks/eggs/pigs/goats/cattle/etcetera? Then we'd all have to buy Tyson chicken n' eggs, ConAgra hamburger, and, of course, chip our animals with Digital Angel microchips!!!

Naaaaaaahhhhhhh....the fed.gov and state.govs are never influenced by big business...especially agribusiness...

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*bump*

Some new developments from the April 6 press release from the USDA:
mandatory deadline for compliance has been pushed back to January 2009 instead of 2008. So we have gained some much-needed time, however, they are still pushing for it to go through.

Read the developments here (scroll down): http://www.farmandranchfreedom.org/wot_nais.html
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