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#1 of 14 Old 06-21-2004, 02:04 PM - Thread Starter
 
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My dd eats everything. She is 3 now, we started her on solids (veggies & fruits) at around 6 mo, and meat at around 12 months. With my son, (he's only 4 months) I don't know about introducing meat. I have heard many bad things about meat here, I need someone to educate me on why I should not feed my baby meat. ofcourse, this is for later on, I do not plan to start solids before 6+ months. thanks!
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I'm not an expert here but I think meat is hard to digest for babies and adults for that matter. If only for the reason that its full of antibiotics and hormones (unless organic) I wouldn't want my small baby to have all that yucky stuff. You said in another thread that you think that you can only get high qulaity protein and iron from meat but that is most definatly not true. You can get protein from lots of non-animal sources including beans, legumes and nuts. Now I wouldn't give my baby nuts but while you are nursing he gets all the protein he needs from your mama milk (or formula). My 7 month old loves mushed black beans. Blueberries are also fairly high in protein. You can do your own reasearch but I think protein is VERY over-rated and we are fed lots of info about its importance by the meat and dairy industustires, so be careful to check where you info is coming from or who is funding the research. Someone once gave me this example: Would you believe it if a study was done on the safety of rollarcoasters if the study was funded by 6 Flags Darrien Lake? As for iron, that can easily be found in nuts, green veggies like kale or spinach, molasses and also fortified juices and multi vitamins.
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Your children are just gorgeous
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Foods that are as high in concentrated protien, such as meat and fish, can be very taxing on a babies under developed kidneys. For that reason it is advised to wait until they are 12-18 months, and even then limit meat to a couple times a week.

Other good sources of protien for infants that are eating solids (other than breast milk), are lentils, chick peas, peas, & avocados. Many grains and vegetables include small amounts of protien. Quinoa and buckwheat are grains high in protien. Rice contains protien.

For children over 12 months, and not allergic, nuts are a great source. Almond milk is easily digestable. Tahini, sunflower butter, and almond meal are other great sources. As well as the hemp seed.
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You said in another thread that you think that you can only get high qulaity protein and iron from meat but that is most definatly not true.

Actually, I posted that I gave my dd meat because it was my choice of protein & high source of iron BUT that you CAN get the iron and protein from other sources.

and thanks for telling me kids are cute! that's one thing you never get tired of hearing!!
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This link is two myths about raising your kids vegetarian:
http://www.lightlife.com/myths.html

This is a news article about raising vegetarian kids that also talks about the reasons of the parents who are doing it:
http://www.freep.com/news/childrenfi...2_20010412.htm

Here's one on raising kids vegan that has a good list of examples of things that vegan kids eat:
http://www.keepkidshealthy.com/welco...nchildren.html

Here's a FAQ from the UK Vegetarian Society about going vegetarian:
http://www.vegsoc.org/info/goingveg.html
It also mentions:
"That's why medical studies are proving that vegetarians are less likely to suffer from such illnesses as heart disease, cancer, diet-related diabetes, obesity and high blood pressure. "

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Health benefits of a vegetarian diet:
http://www.vegetarian-diet.info/heal...arian-diet.htm

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According to studies, vegetarians have better health than people that eat meat. They have lower rates of coronary artery disease, gallstones, cancer (particularly lung and colon cancer), kidney stones, colon disease, diabetes and high blood pressure. A vegetarian is also less likely to be overweight than a non-vegetarian.
In 1961, the Journal of the American Medical Association stated that ninety to ninety-seven percent of heart disease, the cause of more than half the deaths in the United States, could be prevented by a vegetarian diet.


In 1990, the British Medical Journal Lancet reported on a study by Dr Dean Ornish of the University of California. Dr Ornish found that a vegetarian diet reversed clogging of the arteries in patients with serious heart disease.

In 1990, Dr Walter Willet, who conducted a study of diet and colon cancer, said, "If you step back and look at the data, the optimum amount of red meat you eat should be zero."

Vegetarians have much lower cholesterol levels than people that eat meat. Heart disease is found much less in vegetarians. Studies have also shown that vegetarians have up to half the cancer rate than those of non-vegetarians. Cases of breast cancer are much lower in countries that have low meat diets.

Vegetarians eat more antioxidants such as vitamin C, vitamin E, beta-carotenes and phytochemicals. Phyotochemicals are components in plants that help to prevent disease. Antioxidants decrease the chance of getting heart disease, cancer and other diseases.

Meat eaters have much higher rates of cancer than vegetarians.

Animal products are high in sodium, which causes the blood to retain water and also causes plaque to build up in the arteries, lowering the flow of blood, which are major causes of high blood pressure.
According to William Castelli, MD, director of the Framingham Heart Study, vegetarians live three to six years longer than meat eaters. He said, "vegetarians have the best diet. They have the lowest rate of coronary disease of any group in the country and they have a fraction of our heart attack rate and they have only 40% of our cancer rate."

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I agree that babies (all humans, for that matter ) are not made to eat meat. If you study the digestive systems of meat eating animals, their intestines are short to help rid their bodies quickly of the flesh foods they eat, b/c meat rots quickly. Also, they have sharp teeth to tear into flesh, and their saliva is acidic to aid in digestion of animal protein. Their livers eliminate 10-15 more times the amount of uric acid than the human liver, and their tongues are rough for licking blood and flesh-- we, on the other hand, have long, complicated intestines like plant eaters do, we also do not have teeth designed to tear into flesh, instead we have molars designed to grind and crush vegetation.Our saliva is alkaline, and our tongues are smooth! I AM a vegan, so I do have a "biased" opinion on the matter, LOL but I wanted to share these facts because many people are blindly "taught" that we are "made" to eat meat, and live their entire lives never questioning it. Hopefully, this will help those of you who want to be informed, question it and draw your own conclusions. God bless!

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I have a question, related to this but for mamas that are christian,. is it true that in the bible it says we can kill animals for eating purposes only? wouldnt that mean we are supposed to eat meat? just a question...

but thanks ladies, I am seriosuly considering switching to a vegetarian diet. I am getting grossed out by meat now (uh oh, my steak-lover dh will NOT be happy)
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If you eat meat, there's no reason for your DS not to. I'd say, though, limit how much meat, it shouldn't be more than maybe 15 % of the diet. Humans are omnivores, and not everyone thrives w/out eating some meat, but the amount of meat most Westerners eat is way way over the top and not healthy.

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I am a christian, so I'll give you my opinion. I'm going to put on my orthodox, literalist hat to answer this question, though actually I see the Bible as a story of the unfolding relationship between God and God's people, rather than as an instruction book. But anyhow, I seem to remember Paul saying in one of his letters that while everything is permitted (he was talking about the law), not everything is good for us. Sorry to be vague about the verse- I'm nak. If I find it later, I'll pop back in.

So anyway, I'm not sure that we have a mandate from God to eat meat- I think we're given the freedom to do so, but then we get to figure out for ourselves what is healthy. Kinda like the whole pork thing- we now have the ability to test for the diseases that pork carries, so we don't need them to be off-limits anymore, but the Israelites did need that restriction for their health.

Oh- and I'd like to second raven's comment about us being omnivors, at least biologically. If we had evolved (or were designed, if you prefer) to be purely plant-eaters, we'd have all broad, flat, teeth- no tearing teeth- and a more extensive intestine to break down all those starches. Before I became pregnant, I ate very little meat- maybe a small portion once or twice a week- but that was for ethical/environmental reasons. Now I eat organic meat, but I agree with Raven that we in this country eat WAY too much of it in general.

Meat-eating is a really emotional topic for a lot of people, I think, because there's so much more involved than just our own health. There's the health of the planet, and a lot of other issues, wrapped up in what we eat.
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I am a christian, so I'll give you my opinion. I'm going to put on my orthodox, literalist hat to answer this question, though actually I see the Bible as a story of the unfolding relationship between God and God's people, rather than as an instruction book. But anyhow, I seem to remember Paul saying in one of his letters that while everything is permitted (he was talking about the law), not everything is good for us. Sorry to be vague about the verse- I'm nak. If I find it later, I'll pop back in.

So anyway, I'm not sure that we have a mandate from God to eat meat- I think we're given the freedom to do so, but then we get to figure out for ourselves what is healthy. Kinda like the whole pork thing- we now have the ability to test for the diseases that pork carries, so we don't need them to be off-limits anymore, but the Israelites did need that restriction for their health.

Oh- and I'd like to second raven's comment about us being omnivors, at least biologically. If we had evolved (or were designed, if you prefer) to be purely plant-eaters, we'd have all broad, flat, teeth- no tearing teeth- and a more extensive intestine to break down all those starches. Before I became pregnant, I ate very little meat- maybe a small portion once or twice a week- but that was for ethical/environmental reasons. Now I eat organic meat, but I agree with Raven that we in this country eat WAY too much of it in general.

Meat-eating is a really emotional topic for a lot of people, I think, because there's so much more involved than just our own health. There's the health of the planet, and a lot of other issues, wrapped up in what we eat.

wonderful explanation. I think I will encourage a diet that involves both in moderation. thank-you.
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Hi!I am a Christian vegan so I'll share my two cents worth if you care to hear it I believe that, in the beginning, God gave us animals as companions and helpers (Genesis) not as food. We were instucted to eat fruits, vegetables, seeds, etc. Afterall, He put Adam & Eve in a Garden God instructed us to be good stewards of everything He had given us (including animals) Then, after the flood, Noah had no other choices of food- since eveything had been destroyed except the animals he had saved. So, I think God allowed meat eating as a concession, it was not his highest "ideal" diet for us, KWIM? Afterall, the flood happened due to our sin, : so this new diet wasn't God's perfect will for us...as far as being good stewards of His creation, well- if you do a little research on factory farming and the meat/dairy industry, you will see that God's animals are treated horribly! I can not, in good conscience, sit down for dinner, knowing I'm supporting this cruelty, and ask God to bless it. That's not being compassionate or loving, I know Jesus was both. We are called to follow Jesus with His pure love and compassion- I feel if He was here today and knew how badly the animals were treated, he would abstain from meat as well, JMHO! Also we are to treat our bodies as holy temples, living sacrifices to God...filling it full of meat, dairy (and the growth hormones and chemicals that go along with it) , as well as all the other "processed junk" we call food today, is not treating our bodies as gifts from gifts from God, KWIM?? There is alot more info on the matter, if you're interested, go to www.christianveg.com It's a wonderful website for Christians- especially if you are being convicted in this area, as I was!! I've been vegetarian for over 10 years, and feel that I may be called to minister on this subject, but not sure yet. So, obviously I feel deeply about vegetarianism. Not trying to start a debate in any way, just wanted to share my opinions/experience with you. Hope this helps God bless!

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