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Old 01-15-2008, 04:41 AM - Thread Starter
 
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My DS is about to turn one and my ped has had me watching to see if his undescended testicle would drop down on its own in his first 12 months. It hasn't. We have an appointment with the urologist in 2 weeks. Anyone else have this experience? What do they do about it? Surgery? I am somewhat nervous about what they might tell me or want to do.
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Really, no one? Wow... well maybe this will help someone else. The urologist has recommended surgery to bring the other testicle down and we are sceduled in 2 weeks. I'm a wreck. I actually feel the surgery will be fine, but I am very concerned about the no food after midnight. He nurses at midnight, 3A and 6A. So, I nurse at midnight and then what? He WON'T understand!
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I didn't see this as my kiddo is quite a bit older now than babe but
My son had that surgery. He was older (not good; his ped. messed up and he should have had it at your son's age) so did understand and so I can't help with the nursing issue. Is his surgery scheduled early in the day? It is usually a really quick surgery for kids. Depending on the time of surgery you might ask if you can do the 3 am nursing. Breastmilk is sort of between food and a clear liquid in my understanding.

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I have no personal experience, but my brother had an undescended testicle that was removed during a hernia repair when he was about 2 yo. He has two kids if that's at all a concern for you. Not nursing all night will be tough. I hope all goes well for you.

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Hi - I missed this earlier also as I don't usually hang out in this forum. Ds2 is also scheduled for surgery for an undescended testicle next Monday. He's 17mos. Ped surgeon recommended the surgery at 12mos, but it got put off for various unimportant reasons. I'm not thrilled about my little guy having surgery, but I believe it is important to get it done.

Ds1 also had minor surgery around this age (different issue) and the nursing issue wasn't as bad as I was expecting. (Due to current pregnancy, ds2 is down to nursing only 1x/day so it won't be a problem for us.) Ds1 was nightweaned already, and since we had to get up practically in the middle of the night to check in to the hospital by 6am, the novelty of the new place was a great distraction from his early morning nursing session. Did you double-check about your 3a nursing session? I remember that for ds1 they told me nursing up to 4hrs before surgery was okay, but I was told no for ds2. I know how impossible it feels to tell a nursling no! Do you have an early am check-in at the hospital also?

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I don't have any experience/advice. Just wanted to wish you good luck!
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Thanks ladies. I was just going on what the nurse said at our first appointment. I will call the doc and anesthesiologist if need be. VBM, best of luck and let me know how it goes! My LO will also be circumsized at the same time. The urologist is head of the department and recommended it after examining him. Something about his forsekin being too tight and it might become problematic for him later on? I was sorta ambivalent about it at his birth b/c he was so small (under 5 pounds) and it didn't seem necessary, but if they have to do this other thing, and he is already knocked out, then I think it should be fine. I know that isn't super popular around here, but that is where I am at with it now after speaking to the urologist/surgeon.
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My son was diagnosed at birth with undecended testicals. We went for an ultrasound, and the urologist said that he feels that because of their placement, they are actually retractile testicals, and we should wait until puberty to see if they descend. He says that this is way more common than truely undecended testicals....hope that helps!
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I would ask about the circ. thing in the case against circumcision....his foreskin is suppose to be tight at that age...my son is 2 and just now starting to loosen, but still not retracting on its own and we do not under any circumstance foreceble retract....i think it is suppose to be tight for their protection....please please dont commit to this if you havent already planned a circ. for your son without extensive research...I also suggest calling Dr. Sears in california....(like all the Dr. Sears baby books)....where i live we dont have any decent peds that i know of, so i called him on several issues and found our conversations to be helpful and insightful....please let me know something....take care and best wishes to you and your son
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I don't know about the nursing before surgery thing.

There are much more informed people over at the breastfeeding board.

You can post another one over there and there are much more informed mamas who will know the answer to this question.

Also do you go to LaLeche league meetings? It might be very helpful to get support from other nursing mommies during this time.

www.lalecheleague.org

About the circumcision thing. OMG!! That does not sound right at ALL!!

My son has the same thing with tightness. And according to all my research it's normal to be tight when babies are this young. And if they continue to be tight later on it will naturally loosen on it's own when they are a young boy. And if for some reason that does not happen and it's still tight when they turn into a teen or young man and need it loosened for sexual reasons there are very simple exercises they can to do loosen it in the shower every morning and it only takes a few weeks to get it loosened enough to be back to normal.

Seriously from everything I read circ is way too drastic a measure to take for this semi-normal thing. In fact many un-circ'd boys have this.

That urologist sounds like a typical snip at every opportunity guy to me. Or perhaps he simply does not really understand the situation.

I would not circumcise him so quickly. And if this guy does not agree to put off the circ surgery, get a new DR!!

After reading everything about how much feeling they loose with circ I would NEVER EVER circ another baby. And understandably there are many women who deeply regret circ'ing their boy after learning about it.

Here's a thread about it :

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=112410

good luck with the testicle surgery! I hope everything goes okay!
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My ds has one undescended testicle and he is 6 months old and we keep hoping the other one will come down so he doesn't have to get surgery. Could they palpate (sp?) his testicle in his groin, they haven't been able to feel my ds' yet i want to make sure he has two before they go fishing around for it.

please let us know how it goes, as i am fearing this impending surgery too.

good luck.
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our experience: i noticed ds had only one teste early on. it didn't worry me very much, but enough that we went in for a wbv to get it looked at, around 5 mo. old. The PA couldn't palpate anything so we went for an US. they couldn't find anything so we were recommended for Children's to visit a specialist. The specialist told me that their protocal is the same no matter what an US says. Surgery, either exploratory or corrective. DS had the surgery at month 8/9 i think.
The no nursing after 1am worried me (bm is considered a clear liquid going in, but not if it comes back ouy and that is what the anesthesiologists are worried about -or so i was told) However it wasn't a big deal in the morning as we had to leave early to get there. THEN we had to wait and wait and wait, and ds got fussier and fussier because he wanted to nurse. poor guy.

He was super out of it on the way home because he was so drugged up. We gave him tylenol for the next 24 hours. As soon as the morphine wore off he was just fine.

He has 1 incision in his belly button and one along his inguinal fold. oh... he only has 1 teste, there was no 2nd to decend.
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My ds has one undescended testicle and he is 6 months old and we keep hoping the other one will come down so he doesn't have to get surgery. Could they palpate (sp?) his testicle in his groin, they haven't been able to feel my ds' yet i want to make sure he has two before they go fishing around for it.

please let us know how it goes, as i am fearing this impending surgery too.

good luck.
Yes, absolutely....they should do an ultrasound and try to gently feel the testicals on both sides....after doing that theyshould gently try to move the testical into the scrotum....it doesnt seem to hurt (my son had this happen to him...)

Breastfeeding before surgery....i can tell you that my son had open heart surgery and he was exclusively breastfed....the doctors at Emory allowed, and reccommended that he breastfeed up to an hour before his surgery....hope that helps....please dont commit to surgery of any type until you have checked and asked about retractile testicals as opposed to undecended....
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Hi Can't Wait - thanks for the good luck wishes, I'll be sure to let you know how it goes next Monday. And yes, to the other posters, we do know that he does have a testicle up there, but it's not making any progress downward.

I wanted to add in with the other voices that you may want to get a second opinion about whether circ'ing your ds is really necessary, and I'm not just trying to come down on circ. Here's my story about why sometimes I think the specialists can be a little overeager to solve problems with surgery - when ds1 had surgery on his scrotum, the ped specialist also suggested that we take care of his umbilical hernia at the same time. The surgeon literally sprang that suggestion on us as we were doing the intake for his scrotum (scrotal?) surgery and we were not prepared to decide on the spur of the moment, so we said no. He gave us the justification that ds1 would already be knocked out and it was better to do it all at once rather than put him through another surgery later. Afterward, I was beating myself up for not "just doing it" while he was already under anesthesia the way the surgeon suggested and really sorry we missed the opportunity. But guess what? Two years later and his hernia has healed itself fine (we were told that was a good possibility) with no need for another surgery. My point is only that it seems like your son is pretty young to surgically address an issue with his foreskin that might resolve itself just fine with time. After our experience with ds1, I tend to think about specialists, particularly surgeons, with that saying "When all you have is a hammer, everything begins to look like a nail." If your ds is not having problems with the foreskin right now, you can always have surgery later and you might be better off just waiting to see if nature takes care of it rather than taking a surgical option now just because it's convenient, you know? Again, not trying to dump anti-circ on you, just thoughts from another mama who's BTDT 2x worrying about surgery for my little ones too!

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My babe does apparently have an undescended testicle.... well, technically the doc called it retractile, but retractile that is off track and can't just be dropped into position. He said if he could have done just that, that was his preference. As far as the circ goes, I was ambivalent about it at birth, but not so much now. In other words, wouldn't have done it then "just to do it," but now since he will already be under, I am not opposed to it. I know that is not a popular opinion around here, but I am at peace with it. As far as the breastfeeding goes, I spoke with the anesthesiology department today and was told I could nurse until 4 hours prior to surgery and then he can have water, apple juice or pedialyte for an hour after that. So, a big thank you to all of you who encouraged me to look further into that! I am feeling a bit better.
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Yay for the nursing news! That should make things a touch easier for you, I hope.

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Please, I BEG you, do more research on circumcision before this surgery! There is absolutely no reason to do this to your son, and I think if you had any idea what it truly entails you would not feel this way. Just because he's under does not mean it will not cause him pain; there will be weeks of the wound healing, plus months of his poor sensitive glans rubbing against diapers until it's finally calloused enough that it's not tender. Then there is the possibility of adhesions, meatal stenosis, skin bridges, too tight erections, painful intercourse. The complication rate is absolutely astounding. Please, visit the Case Against Circumcision board, do some reading, check out the Regretful Mothers thread, and think very very hard.
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Thanks ladies. I was just going on what the nurse said at our first appointment. I will call the doc and anesthesiologist if need be. VBM, best of luck and let me know how it goes! My LO will also be circumsized at the same time. The urologist is head of the department and recommended it after examining him. Something about his forsekin being too tight and it might become problematic for him later on? I was sorta ambivalent about it at his birth b/c he was so small (under 5 pounds) and it didn't seem necessary, but if they have to do this other thing, and he is already knocked out, then I think it should be fine. I know that isn't super popular around here, but that is where I am at with it now after speaking to the urologist/surgeon.
The foreskin of a 1 year old is supposed to be tight. Boys usually don't retract until long after that. Any diagnosis of phimosis in a prepubescent boy is a blatant fraud. Phimosis only becomes a problem when a boy becomes sexually active and even then can be treated without circumcision.

You have to remember that American doctors are generally not comfortable with foreskins. They've been taught (wrongly) that they're only sources of disease and problems and to cut them off ASAP. Most likely, he's also circumcised himself and doesn't assign the foreskin any personal value. These factors (and maybe some financial gain) are most likely the source of his desire to cut your son.

As a male, my circumcision has been a source of conflict between my parents and me. I can forgive them since I was born long before the Internet and computers became common and doctors were the only source of information. You know better and you can bet your son will know better. Considering that you live in California, most of his friends will be intact and he'll be left wondering why his mother let the doctor cut his penis for no good reason.

Carefully consider why you are even contemplating letting that doctor cut your son's healthy penis. Why do you REALLY want it done? Why are you willing to risk putting a schism in the relationship between you and your son?
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His foreskin should be tight and it's VERY unlikely it will cause him any problems down the road.
It's not a popular view because removing a healthy and functioning (please read about the functions of the foreskin) part of a child's body for cosmetic reasons is wrong. There is absolutely no reason to have your son's foreskin removed and I truly hope you will research and reconsider having it done to him.

I hope your son's surgery (and doesn't also involve an unnecessary one/circ) goes smoothly and he has a quick recovery.

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Your son deserves to keep his foreskin. Please visit the Case Against Circumcision and do some research about what he would be losing. It's his penis and his sexual future.
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My babe does apparently have an undescended testicle.... well, technically the doc called it retractile, but retractile that is off track and can't just be dropped into position. He said if he could have done just that, that was his preference. As far as the circ goes, I was ambivalent about it at birth, but not so much now. In other words, wouldn't have done it then "just to do it," but now since he will already be under, I am not opposed to it. I know that is not a popular opinion around here, but I am at peace with it. As far as the breastfeeding goes, I spoke with the anesthesiology department today and was told I could nurse until 4 hours prior to surgery and then he can have water, apple juice or pedialyte for an hour after that. So, a big thank you to all of you who encouraged me to look further into that! I am feeling a bit better.
It's not just the pain during the procedure. You are unnecessarily removing a part of his genitalia. FOr many boys there are complications and then serious issues afterwards. My ds is one of the "lucky" 10% with meatal stenosis. Are you willing to put him through surgery after surgery later to fix that problem by having his urethra and meatus surgically widened because of scar tissue? Having it cut and having to keep forcing it open so that it doesn't heal back the way it was for more surgery if it even works?

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Please don't circumcise your son. There is no reason to, and it's not your foreskin to remove!
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Please update us and tell us you have changed your mind about having your son's foreskin removed.

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: your ds needs his foreskin mama please dont take it from him :


I so wish I hadnt read this thread this morning now I am crying and depressed.

You do realize that the glans and foreskin are fused like the fingernail to the nail bed and it will have to be ripped apart? Like a pp said it will take months for your ds glans to become dried out and desensitised enough to not hurt when it rubes his diaper.

Another quick thing the urologist you saw had no bussiness even touching your ds's penis he went in for testicle issues only. He was 100% wrong to even try to mess with his penis. A diagnosis of phimosis (tight foreskin) CANNOT be made until after puberty hits. Since it is supposed to be tight like that to keep the germs and stuff out. That is why it is so important to make sure no one ever pushes back on the foreskin ever, only the owner of the penis is allowed to do that.

I am begging you mama protect your child. Be his only protecter do what is right. You took the time to research the bfing issue because you know that bm is the best thing for you baby. Why not research the circ issue? Your ds deserves the best as you know dont be blinded by the ignorence of the medical profession here in the USA do your own research it isnt to late to stop your ds from being permantly irriparably alterd.

You say you know this isnt the popular way to go around here well here are just a few of the reasons why it isnt:

Reasons to leave your son intact:

- The owner of the penis should be the one to decide what to do with it.

-The foreskin, not the head, is the most sensitive part of the normal, intact penis.

- The movable shaft skin of an intact penis facilitates intercourse, reducing friction and prolonging pleasurable sex for both male and female.

- The foreskin aids in foreplay; lubricants are optional.

- An intact penis will have no circumcision scar, will often have less hair drawn up onto it shaft, and will on average be somewhat larger than a circumcised penis.

- The foreskin protects and lubricates the head or “glans” of the penis for the life of its owner. The glans or the head of the penis was never meant to be a external organ it should be inside the foreskin to protect it and keep it sensitive.

-80-85% of the world’s male population has intact genitals, including nearly all European males (please note that HIV/AIDS rates are actually lower in Europe than in America). Circumcision does NOT prevent AIDS wearing a condom does.

-Male circumcision permanently diminishes the sexual feelings for both male and female.

- When people from non circumcising countries hear that we in the USA still do it they are usually shocked, and often don't believe it to be true.

- Care of the intact infant penis is actually much easier as there is no wound care, you just wash it like a finger, it should never be retracted by anyone other than the child. The age it becomes retractable varies greatly normal range is childhood to adulthood.

- The foreskin contains three to four feet of blood vessels, 240 feet of nerves, and 10-20,000 specialized nerve endings.

- When the foreskin is removed 30-50% of sexual pleasure goes with it. Because 30-50% of the total penile skin is removed during a RIC depending on the Dr. and the type of circumcision that is done.

-The circumcision rate in the USA has fallen from 90% in 1970 to roughly 56% today.

-Circumcisions was originally introduced in the country in the late 1800s to prevent masturbation. It has since been touted as the cure for all sorts of ailments - all of which have been scientifically disprovable. Including but not limited to it being a cure for baldness, mental illness, cancer etc. Etc.

The History of Circumcision
http://www.historyofcircumcision.net...tpage&Itemid=1

Warning disturbing pictures "The medicalization of circumcision"
http://www.icgi.org/medicalization_o...ion.htm#Page_1

A Short History of Circumcision in the U.S.A (this one is really scary when you read it)
http://www.sexuallymutilatedchild.org/shorthis.htm

The Ritual of Circumcision
http://www.noharmm.org/paige.htm

-Cutting off the foreskin cuts off the most sensitive, erotic, pleasurable part of a man’s body. The foreskin plays a very important role in sex. Men who were circumcised later in life compare circed sex/intact sex to someone who is color blind they can see just fine but the full "color" is missing.

-Circumcision is almost NEVER medically necessary. The only true medical reasons for circ are, frostbite, gangrene and cancer (all of those would be extremely rare) The incidence for necessary medical circumcisions is less that 0.05%. Circumcision for phimosis should only be done as a last resort. After trying stretching, steroid cream and a dorsel slit.

-No medical organization anywhere recommends routine infant circ.
Here is a list of statements from several countries including the USA and Canada.
http://www.cirp.org/library/statements/

- Circumcision is EXTREMELY painful, even if anesthetic is administered. Studies have proved that babies feel pain even more acutely than an adult would. It is a very great breech of trust for a baby to be taken from his parents and cut. It is very violating. Long after any anesthesia that might(most only get a sugar dipped rag or paci to suck on) have been used wears off there is still a raw open wound sitting in urine and feces with no pain relief.

-The intact penis, if left alone, has no greater risk for UTI's, STD's, Penile Cancer, HIV, causing Cervical Cancer in women.

UTI myth http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/UTI/
http://www.nocirc.org/statements/breastfeeding.php
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In fact, UTI's are so rare in any case that, using Wiswell's data, 50 to 100 healthy boys would have to be circumcised in order to prevent a UTI from developing in only one patient. (Using more recent data from a better-controlled study, the number of unnecessary operations needed to prevent one hospital admission for UTI would jump to 195.
FORESKINS: Seek Elsewhere for Infants' Urinary Tract Infections
http://www.cirp.org/news/1997.12.22_PhysiciansWeekly/


UTI Neonatal circumcision revisited
http://www.cps.ca/english/statements...ION%20OF%20UTI

The incidence of Geniturinary abnormalities in circumcised and uncircumcised presenting with an initial urinary tract infection by 6 months of age
http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/UTI/mueller/
- Girls have a much greater risk of UTIs, yet we don't cut off parts of their genitals to prevent them.
Cancer Society:http://www.cancer.org/docroot/CRI/co...evented_35.asp
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In the past, circumcision has been suggested as a way to prevent penile cancer. This suggestion was based on studies that reported much lower penile cancer rates among circumcised men than among uncircumcised men. However, most researchers now believe those studies were flawed because they failed to consider other factors that are now known to affect penile cancer risk.
http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/cancer/
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Gellis (1978) said there are more deaths from circumcision than from cancer of the penis.8
Boczko et al . found numerous reports of penile cancer in circumcised men, thus conclusively disproving Wolbarst's false claims of protection from penile cancer by circumcision.9
In "Circumcision: An American Health Fallacy," Edward Wallerstein writes14: "If infant circumcision reduces penile cancer we could expect to see proportionately less penile cancer in circumcising nations as compared to non-circumcising ones. No such difference is found."
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******* established quite clearly that there was little evidence to support a relationship between lack of circumcision and penile cancer, cervical cancer, or cancer of the prostate in 1970 but he was unable to identify the causative agent at that time,6 while Leitch did the same in Australia.
Circumcision and AIDS/HIV
http://www.circumstitions.com/HIV.html
http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/HIV/ http://www.cochrane.org/reviews/en/ab003362.html
http://www.doctorsopposingcircumcisi...Statement.html

Comparison of North America to other non-circ countries HIV status
http://www.avert.org/america.htm
http://www.avert.org/worldstats.htm
- The times the intact penis has trouble are when it is forcefully retracted before it is ready. The penis should only be retracted by its owner, when he’s ready. It is normal to not be retractable until after puberty. It is not a problem.

- Circumcision is SURGERY and as such poses significant risks of infection to the wound.
Possible complications include but are not limited to:
  • Infections;
  • Botched circumcisions that have to be redone;
  • To tight circumcisions that cause extreme pain with erection;
  • Hair on the shaft;
  • Loss of sensation in the glans (head), it becomes keratinized (hardened) without the foreskin; (this one always happens)
  • Amputation of the part or all of the penis;
  • Ruptured stomach, bladder, and or intestines from crying so hard;
  • Skin bridges(very common)
  • Adhesions(very common)
  • Scaring on the penis shaft(very common)
  • Meatal Stenosis http://www.cirp.org/library/complications/persad/ around 10-15% of circs result in this complication if not more.
  • DEATH (I have read that as many as 5 infants die every year from circ complications)
and much much more.
It is estemated that between 10-15% of all males will have at least 1 or more of the complications listed above. But none of these side effects are present when leaving a boy intact.

Links of pictures Warning graphic pictures
http://www.circumstitions.com/Restric/Botched1sb.html
http://www.noharmm.org/IDcirc.htm

- There are NO medical benefits with routine infant circumcision. It is a cosmetic surgery, and as such more insurance companies will NOT pay for it.

- Circumcision is big business in the US. Several billions of dollars every year. Doctors are very invested in keeping the circumcision myths alive.

- A single doctor can make $20,000 a year doing circumcisions.

- A little known fact is that foreskins are then resold to the highest bidder. They are used in cosmetics, skin growth for grafting, cancer treatments and much more. The after life of foreskins is also a multi billion dollar a year industry. Parents are not told about this. There is no informed consent. Certainly the foreskins owner doesn’t have a say in the matter.

- “Every boy born in the US has a $300 coupon attached to his foreskin. All you have to do is cut it off to redeem.”

- Circumcision should only be performed on consenting adults who know all that is entailed.

-What if your son wants his foreskin?

- A lot of men are very angry when they find out the truth and feel very violated. (like my husband.)

- How would you feel if someone cut off your clitoris and labia without asking you? They do it in Africa all the time. We are horrified when little girls are mutilated. Why not when little boys? FGM type one, the most common form of female circumcision, only removes the covering of the clitoris and some of the labia. Those parts directly corrilate to the foreskin on a male penis.

- It causes immense trauma & physical pain to a brand new baby who just had to undergo birth. Often times a baby will suddenly cease crying and so the Doctors say it doesn't hurt them. It does - they are in shock.

- Smegma isn’t bad or gross. It is the Greek word for soap. Women have it too. It helps keep everything clean and healthy. No intact boy should be forcefully retracted just to clean it out. It’s supposed to be there!

- When they separate the foreskin from the glans it is similar to ripping off your fingernails. Than they crush the foreskin and cut it off. They also stimulate an erection so they “know where to cut.” A boys first sexual experience is one of great pain and trauma.

Common myths you may hear from others and even Dr's:

http://www.coloradonocirc.org/myths.php
Why men may insist on circumcision article


Side by side comparison of MGM & FGM
http://www.circumstitions.com/FGMvsMGM.html


 
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I am also coming into this late but I hope I can help. Another member asked that I come here just today.


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My LO will also be circumsized at the same time. The urologist is head of the department and recommended it after examining him. Something about his forsekin being too tight and it might become problematic for him later on? I was sorta ambivalent about it at his birth b/c he was so small (under 5 pounds) and it didn't seem necessary, but if they have to do this other thing, and he is already knocked out, then I think it should be fine. I know that isn't super popular around here, but that is where I am at with it now after speaking to the urologist/surgeon.
The doctor is trying to diagnose phimosis. Virtually all of these diagnoses are false diagnoses. There are two forms of phimosis, normal/congenital phimosis and pathological phimosis. Every baby boy is born with normal/congenital phimosis and it is completely normal. Pathological phimosis is exclusively the result of injury from long term or repeated infections that have not been addressed. If your son has not had these long term untreated or repeat infections, there is no pathological phimosis and the normal congenital phimosis will resolve itself as your son grows and matures. This is a condition that is absolutely normal and present in all young boys.

I would recommend that you visit The Case Against Circumcision forum as there is ample additional information about this.


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My babe does apparently have an undescended testicle.... well, technically the doc called it retractile, but retractile that is off track and can't just be dropped into position.
As a man who has retractile testicles, (both) I can tell you with all certainty that they are not a problem. I have had retractile testicles as long as I can remember and suppose it goes all the way back to birth. As a matter of fact, I thought it was absolutely normal until I discovered the condition just a couple of years ago. There is simply no way I would go under surgery to have them "corrected." To me, they are already absolutely correct. The only time they have ever been mentioned was once when a lover realized they were not in my scrotum and asked me about them "missing." I simply pushed them down into the scrotum and said "See, there they are!" She was completely satisfied. They have caused absolutely no problems. All surgeries have a range of complications and unexpected outcomes and these can be anywhere from insignificant to devastating. The last thing I would want devastated is my sexuality. Unless there is a significant benefit, I wouldn't want to take the risks. I am older than most here and my entire life, my retractile testicles have caused absolutely no problem and I have never seen any research that indicates they will cause a problem in any man that has them.

My opinion is that you should do significant research on both retractile testicles and a diagnosis for circumcision to resolve phimosis or tight foreskin. You should reaserch both issues until you feel that you are absolutely fully informed and knowledgeable in both issues. I believe that when you reach that point, you will decide against both.

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Mama, please reconsider. I have just finished reading a book written about a boy, David Reimer (he's listed in Wikipedia if you want to verify what I'm summing up here), who was raised as a girl after he lost his entire penis due to a botched circumcision. He and his identical twin brother were both diagnosed with "phimosis" (or "tight foreskin") at the age of 8 months. He happened to be the first twin taken to be circumcised... after his was botched, the doctors decided not to circumcise his twin.

He was castrated and raised as a girl because his penis basically completely fell off. After all of that... his twin's "phimosis" cleared up just fine without the circumcision.

You see, it is perfectly normal for a boy to not retract up until the age of 18. The AAP even says so:

http://www.cirp.org/library/normal/aap1999/
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Foreskin retraction occurs when the foreskin can be pulled away from the glans toward the abdomen. This process happens on its own. When it happens is different for every child. Most boys will be able to retract their foreskins by the time that they are 18 years old.
My dh's foreskin was "tight" and non-retractile until he was five years old and he has NEVER had any problems whatsoever. Both of us are very happy that his parents left this important decision about how HIS genitals look/function up to HIM since it's HIS body.

If there's no problem ("phimosis" or "tight foreskin" in a child is not a problem nor is it anything but normal) then there's no medical reason and it's purely cosmetic surgery.

The only person who should be consenting to cosmetic surgery altering a normal part of their body is the person whose body it is. Your son has to live with his penis for the rest of his life. This decision should be his. If you leave his penis intact he can always choose to be circumcised later in life if he so desires - it's not horrible to get it done as an adult. I heard that straight from a man who chose to be circumcised later in life - he wishes he hadn't had it done, but he said the procedure wasn't a big deal to go through. He had a lot of good pain meds However, your son can NEVER choose to be "uncircumcised" if you choose to circumcise him.

His body, his choice.

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My son also has undescended testicles -- I wish you good vibes on the surgery.

A lot of other women (and men) have chimed in with facts about circumcision, so I won't say much about that, but it IS normal for the foreskin to be tight on a baby. American doctors aren't used to seeing that.
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Not saying I will or won't.... but I'll read more about it and talk to the surgeon again when we see him for the post op next week. He isn't scheduled til the end of the month, so there is still plenty of time to make an informed decision. Obviously, I want what is ultimately best for my child.
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I'm so glad you are willing to research it!! I would be very careful taking the advice of the surgeon though since from the info he gave you regarding your son's foreskin it would appear he is misinformed about the natural state of the foreskin in little ones.

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