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 View Poll Results: What is your households yearly income? Less than \$25,000 62 10.39% \$25,000 - \$35,000 66 11.06% \$35,000 - \$45,000 73 12.23% \$45,000 - \$55,000 62 10.39% \$55,000 - \$65,000 54 9.05% \$65,000 - \$75,000 72 12.06% \$85,000 - \$95,000 69 11.56% \$95,000 or more 139 23.28% Voters: 597. You may not vote on this poll

Old 05-27-2010, 06:40 PM

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 Originally Posted by sanguine_speed Your income would not be combined to push you into a higher tax bracket. This is how single-income families are penalized relative to dual-income famililes. For instance, 2 people making \$50,000 each will pay less tax in total than one person making \$100,000 a year. Your incomes don't just add together to give you a tax rate-you are each taxed individually.
That's only true if you're comparing a single person to two single people, or filing as "head of household" which would be both illegal and stupid for a married couple to do. Here are the numbers for a total income of \$100k (not counting deductions and all that jazz):

Married filing jointly, earning \$50,000 each: \$17362.50
Total for two single people, earning \$50,000 each: \$17362.50
Married filing separately, earning \$50,000 each:\$17362.50

Amount for one single person earning \$100,000: \$21709.25
Amount for married filing jointly earning \$100,000 and \$0 respectively:\$17362.50
Amount for one "head of household" earning \$100,000:\$19847.50

Remember that the US uses increasing percentage rates. So if your income goes into the next bracket you only pay the higher percentage on the amount that is over the bracket.

E.g. for the 2010 brackets, a family making \$75,000 (married filed jointly) was paying 10% on \$16,750 of income, 15% on \$51,250 (\$68k-\$16750), and 25% on \$7,000 (\$75k-\$68k).

They don't go from paying 15% on \$68k to paying 25% on \$75k.
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 Originally Posted by thatgirliknew DH SHOULD make \$21,000 a year if he got to work his scheduled hours each week. Probably makes more like \$18,000. I stay at home and we do struggle financially. But I stay home for two reasons 1) I want to be the one to educate my children 2) My husband cannot drive because he is legally blind. And his hours are unpredictable and he usually doesn't get off work until well after public transportation is shut down. So I have to take him to and from work. It is pretty much impossible for me to work since I have to drop what I'm doing twice a day to get DH. We do receive some assistance. We have Medicaid on the kids and we get Food Stamps. We actually qualify for a whole lot more (WIC, Section 8, LIHEAP, Lifeline) but we don't take it right now. If our situation got worse in the future, we might.
As a person who has paid income taxes in the past and whose family's take home money is affected by the taxes on dh's income, I think you should take more benefits.

Seriously, our social welfare system is there in the first place for people who work for horrible companies (not enough hours and unreliable hours) and for people with disabilities. It would be awesome if in some indirect way the tax money we all pay could go towards getting your family the stuff you would be able to buy yourselves if your dh's work actually let him work.
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 Originally Posted by ticklemegreen Just curious what everyone annual income is. Do you struggle financially because you stay at home? Do you have any sort of government assistance? I'm currently staying at home with my dd and I would like to be able to stay home with her long enough to home school her a few years, but I don't know that our finances will allow it.
My husband works for \$10 an hour, about 40 hours per week. We live in a very high cost of living area (to support just our family of four, and not be below poverty level here, he would have to earn \$25/hour), and 20% of his take home income is gone for child support. We do use public assistance. I don't use the WIC we qualify for anymore because it just isn't worth the hassle and interrogation regarding my parenting choices, but we do use Denali Kid Care (state medical insurance) and Qwest (food money).

I've been a stay at home mom since our fist one was born nearly 5 years ago. We don't own a home. I do own a mobile home we bought when our first was 6 weeks old and we pay lot rent and we pay ~\$400 a year in property taxes on the home itself. We do have a debt we're paying off slowly but surely due to my husband's ex wife filing bankruptcy and their joint bills being sent to my husband to pay. We hope to get that paid off in about 3 years and start saving up for a real house with some semblance of a yard. I am going to continue staying at home until both kids are in school full time, and then I'll only work part time while they're in school. I doubt any money I earn will lend us a profit, after transportation costs and our likely loss of all food and health insurance aid.

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 Originally Posted by ~Purityâ™¥Lake~ I doubt any money I earn will lend us a profit, after transportation costs and our likely loss of all food and health insurance aid.

this is our issue, too. once you factor in childcare, and loss of food stamps and healthcare, it's just not even worth it to work. i've done the math, and it works out to our having LESS money to live on if i were to go to work.

i do pick up cash jobs here and there, babysitting and that sort of thing, but it's few and far between. that is by no means a steady thing, so it's just a nice bonus to get an extra 20 or 30 dollars once every couple months.

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 Originally Posted by Abraisme I'm not all that surprised by this. However, I did pick a spouse knowing that I wanted to stay home. I picked a husband that made enough money to support us both. I think that when a man has a higher income the woman is more likely to stay home, simply because it can be afforded. We live in a high COL area where you have to make over \$100k in order to buy a home.
I know this is an old post, but yikes! Did you really "pick" your husband because he made a lot of money!? That seems very, um, businesslike.

Sorry .

I live in a very high COL area too, and I just figure I'll never own a home . Even with two incomes its going to take us about 15 years to pay off our college debt. With only his it will never ever happen. I guess it's all about priorities.
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 Originally Posted by Chamomile Girl I know this is an old post, but yikes! Did you really "pick" your husband because he made a lot of money!? That seems very, um, businesslike. Sorry .
Eh, it's not really any different than picking a husband based on any other criteria. Im sure she loves her husband for much more than the money he makes. I don't really say I "picked" my husband but one of the many reasons I was (and am) attracted to him was the fact that he works very hard and that generally translates to making more money. I really don't think I would have married/had children with a man that wasn't willing to work hard to support his family.
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 Originally Posted by simple life I missed the single part . I think it's much easier to find a way to stay home being partnered. I don't know how a person would do it as a single person, that would be super hard!

I was a single mother by choice with my oldest child. I quit my full-time job and opened a licensed day care in my home. After business expenses I cleared about \$20,000 per year. I was on WIC as a bf mom until she was about a year, but received no other government aid beyond the earned income credit, and no child support. I married when dd1 was almost 4 and my family's financial situation has gone down hill since.
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We live in a high COL area. We moved from a slightly less high COL area. (We live in San Francisco Bay Area now, moved from Seattle.) We're not in that top bracket but we're close. In this area, we couldn't pay for reasonable daycare on what I make in a year, which is why I'm a SAHM.

We do what we can to keep costs down. My car is a '98 Nissan - I'm the second owner. My husband drives a '06 Subaru because he has the commute and needs better gas milage. The Subaru is a must because we have dogs and needed the space to put them and baby in the car. We rent here, owned in Seattle. (The rent-or-own in Seattle was comparable, owning here is far, far more expensive than renting. We pay \$2,200 for a 1600 sq ft 2 bed, 1 bath with a small yard for the dogs - the house next door sold earlier this year for \$600,000 and the yard was been bricked-in to make a patio.) We don't eat out, don't go on trips, don't drive when it is not necessary (doctors and work). We have some other things we won't do, though, that raise our expenses. We won't shop at Wal-Mart, we eat organic as much as possible, we have food issues, and a lot of specific things we need to avoid. We get around this as much as possible by making things at home, shopping online for a better price or selection (I tell you, my Amazon Prime membership with free 2-day shipping has paid for itself several times over).

You bet I picked my husband based on his interest in earning money, shared values, debt management desires in addition to being handsome, sweet, funny and uh... some other things. I chose my first husband based on "but I love him!" and didn't realize that he should have been someone I dated, realized we weren't compatible for cohabitation, stayed friends with and never married. It may sound very business-like to some people but running a house is a business!

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I stay at home with my 4 yr old and 17m old. We make the mid-range for income. I can't believe so many people make over \$95 grand!! I just had to say wow!

We also live in a high COL area (gas is \$3.59, milk is \$5.99, you get the picture). But, we live in a small cabin, don't have running water, get all of our clothes used, have used cars (really, is there any other kind? ) and "use it up, wear it out, make it do or do without". Right now we are building a bigger cabin (2 stories! Running water! Yay!) on our land and that is sucking a lot of our money away. My main personal expenses come down to books, yarn, and "real" food (fresh vegs, fruit, meat, coffee). I should probably work on that but I have a hard time giving up things that make me happy.

DP is in the local laborers union, he has a good paying job=works on the pipeline. I never finished college, he's never been, but we own our own home and imho we do pretty well for Alaskan transplants.

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I became a SAHM by accident. My husband-then-BF and I were still living separately when we found out I was pregnant. Literally 2 days later I get laid off from my job. Because of our new circumstances, he had to move in with me in NJ, break his lease, buy a car (my rent & living expenses were significantly cheaper than his so even incurring some additional expenses was still cheaper than him living in NYC) and we later married... but we weren't financially ready to make these changes yet. We both had personal debt (cc's, student loans) that we brought together and his salary alone is really cutting it tight. I do get unemployment, and it helps, but it is NOWHERE close to what i was bringing home with my previous job (its only about 40% of my last job's salary). It basically is just keeping us from having to file bankruptcy, that's about it. So now, we've got our DS, which is more expense. The income limits for any aid is low, so we don't qualify for anything. I think if we didn't have the debt we'd be a lot more comfortable. I started as a real estate agent to see if I can make some side money til I find a FT job paying enough money where I net AT LEAST the same as my unemployment check after daycare costs, but finding that open position and actually getting a call back - let alone a job offer - is next to impossible.

Could we move to a lower COL area? Sure, but it wouldn't be in the tri-state area that's for sure, and DH would have to find a new job which wouldn't pay the same salary he's making... so what really would we gain?

I'd love to be a SAHM permanently. I think the best bet would be if I find a job to work and save and pay off debt for a few years, THEN to revisit the idea. Maybe we'll be ready for LO #2 by then... but we'll be prepared for him/her this time
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 Originally Posted by sanguine_speed Your income would not be combined to push you into a higher tax bracket. This is how single-income families are penalized relative to dual-income famililes. For instance, 2 people making \$50,000 each will pay less tax in total than one person making \$100,000 a year. Your incomes don't just add together to give you a tax rate-you are each taxed individually.
This is true. Also, I'd like to point out that we have a marginal tax system in Canada. You don't pay 49% on your entire income. Federal taxes are:

* 15% on the first \$40,970 of taxable income, +
* 22% on the next \$40,971 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income between \$40,970 and \$81,941), +
* 26% on the next \$45,080 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income between \$81,941 and \$127,021), +
* 29% of taxable income over \$127,021.

Provincial taxes vary on top of that. And yes, we also have HST/GST consumption taxes. But I guarantee no one is paying 49% of their income in income tax. In BC the highest tax bracket will pay 44% and that is that portion of your income in the highest tax bracket only. So if you make \$500,000, yes you are paying proportionally larger taxes than average earners, but go find me the world's tiniest violin.

I'll take the tax nerd glasses off now.
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 Originally Posted by franciemack This is true. Also, I'd like to point out that we have a marginal tax system in Canada. You don't pay 49% on your entire income. Federal taxes are: * 15% on the first \$40,970 of taxable income, + * 22% on the next \$40,971 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income between \$40,970 and \$81,941), + * 26% on the next \$45,080 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income between \$81,941 and \$127,021), + * 29% of taxable income over \$127,021. Provincial taxes vary on top of that. And yes, we also have HST/GST consumption taxes. But I guarantee no one is paying 49% of their income in income tax. In BC the highest tax bracket will pay 44% and that is that portion of your income in the highest tax bracket only. So if you make \$500,000, yes you are paying proportionally larger taxes than average earners, but go find me the world's tiniest violin. I'll take the tax nerd glasses off now.

Good to know, I was pretty surprised about the 49% and was imagining that someone making 100k was only pulling in 50k, which is scary!

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We had an income of 41K last year and because of that tax bracket shift (the year before we made substantially less), we are no longer eligible to receive a lot of the benefits we did before, which sucks because this year I'm on EI/maternity and am only making 55% of my previous wage

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 Originally Posted by sapphire_chan That's only true if you're comparing a single person to two single people, or filing as "head of household" which would be both illegal and stupid for a married couple to do. Here are the numbers for a total income of \$100k (not counting deductions and all that jazz): Married filing jointly, earning \$50,000 each: \$17362.50 Total for two single people, earning \$50,000 each: \$17362.50 Married filing separately, earning \$50,000 each:\$17362.50 Amount for one single person earning \$100,000: \$21709.25 Amount for married filing jointly earning \$100,000 and \$0 respectively:\$17362.50 Amount for one "head of household" earning \$100,000:\$19847.50 Remember that the US uses increasing percentage rates. So if your income goes into the next bracket you only pay the higher percentage on the amount that is over the bracket. E.g. for the 2010 brackets, a family making \$75,000 (married filed jointly) was paying 10% on \$16,750 of income, 15% on \$51,250 (\$68k-\$16750), and 25% on \$7,000 (\$75k-\$68k). They don't go from paying 15% on \$68k to paying 25% on \$75k.

I think a lot of people misunderstand that whole thing. I can't tell you how many times I've heard people say that you can actually be penalized if you get a raise that puts you over the next tax bracket, but just barely. But that's not the case (as the quoted poster pointed out).

We live in a high COL area. We're moving to another high COL area in a state that has plenty of low COL areas. Seems like being within an hour of an international airport in the states available to us just work out that way. *sigh*

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 Originally Posted by mbhf Eh, it's not really any different than picking a husband based on any other criteria. Im sure she loves her husband for much more than the money he makes. I don't really say I "picked" my husband but one of the many reasons I was (and am) attracted to him was the fact that he works very hard and that generally translates to making more money. I really don't think I would have married/had children with a man that wasn't willing to work hard to support his family.
I think it depends if you marry young or wait until years after college, perhaps.

I married relatively young (right out of college). I'd also dated my husband for many years before marriage and lived with him for a few years.

I thought I knew him, and his values.

Wrong.

I really thought he'd want to be a good provider, and work hard, and do well in his career. He was/is very smart and he has a decent degree. But it didn't translate to career success very easily for him because he's not very motivated, he is not a go-getter about applying for jobs or looking for promotional opportunities, and he really wants to coast on cruise control. He doesn't want to be the main or single provider for our family.

It's frustrating for me because with his degree and field, he could be a pretty good provider, just as many of his co-workers are. And since he's in the field, it does require a lot of hours and not too much paid time off. And so I've lived many years with that part of it, but not with the pay.

That is the hard part.

I have friends whose husbands are in careers that earn much less, but their husbands get time off! Ample vacation, paternity leave, time at Christmas or other holidays.

I can't remember the last time my husband had more than 2 days off in a row. He is never home. I feel like I've never had much help from him with anything.

So I feel if I have to live with that he might as well make it worth his while to be at work so often and get paid well.

I work too. And I have struggled to have my own good career. That is hard when the other person is working so much.

So, I probably would look for different attributes now if I married again or had married later in life. It's not so much fun being married to a "putz" who spends a lot of time at work but who never goes anywhere with the time commitment.
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Wow, what a big range. You actually didn't include the range ours fits into, which would be between the 65-75K and 85-95. That's including bonuses and it may be different this year depending on the bonus structure. I'm amazed how many are 95K plus -- must be nice! We live in a fairly high COL area, and I'm one of the few moms I know on one income in an apartment.

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Wow! That is a wide and varied range. We are in the under 25k currently. But I'm a SAHM by a fluke, too. I got laid off right around when we found out we were expecting. I made the big paycheck before (in the 70k range) and now DP is trying to get a "big ticket" job so that I can stay at home indefinitely, but more likely I'll have to go back to work in a few months -baby is 8 wks old. Still, it was amazing to me the world didn't crumble when our income plummeted. Granted, it's been a struggle. We don't do much going out, we have creditors calling, we used up our savings, and even cashed out a retirement account (which I know we were very lucky to have to begin with) - but I was sure the world would end when the paycheck stopped coming - and now we are pretty happy with our baby and pennies.

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My husband makes less than 30k per year. We make it work but we struggle a bit. our kiddo is on WIC. I would like to bring in more income for us as much as I prefer to be a SAHM but anything I make would probably go to daycare anyway. I'm not prepared yet to care for other children (in home daycare) and I don't have the skill or focus to make things to sell so I'm not really sure what my other options are for working at home. Oh well, we manage to pay our bills and we have food so we are fine.
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We bought a house before we were married. 3 bedroom ranch \$150k. The plan was this was our "starter house" and we would buy a bigger one. Now it is our "nest egg" our property is worth \$500k. (They would just tear down our house and put up 3 houses.) DH says we are holding onto it until it gets to a million. I would not sell until we are ready to leave this area. Say another 20years. Our house will be paid off in 3 years.

DH is a town employee so he pays into a mandatory retirement fund. We were surprised how much having a 3 child changed our tax refund. The \$5k return will cover the cost of DS braces.

I would say we are in a middle COL. I shop at yard sales. We have bought a couch, recliner and mattresses as new. The rest is hand me downs.
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I live in south africa so the numbers wouldn't really make sense.
Basically, we live in a middle to high income neighbourhood and our joint income before I stopped working put us squarely in the middle to good income bracket. However, we had and still have a lot of debt - mostly because we were just reckless.

I became a SAHM by fluke too. I was laid off when I was 8 weeks pregnant. I got a pay out from the company that assisted in helping us survive till now. And will hopefully get some assistance from the govt when baby is born (i'd like to talk more about this later) for a couple of months.

We've done the number crunching and we can survive on a modest lifestyle if i remain a sahm, but we want a little more financial security and want a bigger house etc. So, when baby is about 6 months old, I'll go back to work on a part time basis. Not just because of the better lifestyle - but because I need to work outside of the home for ME.

It sounds odd to me even to read that I'm willing to sacrifice spending more time with my children in order to have a better lifestyle, but it makes sense to us. I want my children to have a garden to run around in, I want to drive a safer car (current one gets half a star in the NCAP) and I want to be able to send them to good universities and not have them worry about student loans etc. So, we're trying to get the best of both worlds by having me work half day.

About government assistance, I got the distinct impression on this thread that getting aid from the government is somehow a 'bad' thing, and that it is 'better' to survive on your own. I don't understand this way of thinking. The government is meant to represent the people - we vote them into power in order to do OUR bidding. We pay taxes (in a variety of ways, not just income tax) in order to have a safety net to catch us should we fall. There's nothing wrong with making use of that safety net when you need to.

In SA, you get 4 months maternity leave pay on a sliding scale of up to 33% of your salary. I will most certainly be using that assistance as my taxes have contributed to it and it's there to assist - and we need the assistance.

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 Originally Posted by Schae About government assistance, I got the distinct impression on this thread that getting aid from the government is somehow a 'bad' thing, and that it is 'better' to survive on your own. I don't understand this way of thinking. The government is meant to represent the people - we vote them into power in order to do OUR bidding. We pay taxes (in a variety of ways, not just income tax) in order to have a safety net to catch us should we fall. There's nothing wrong with making use of that safety net when you need to.
I don't think I've been snarky in this thread but I can fill you in on why *I* have an attitude about people using government aid. I hear (on the internet) that people who abuse the system are in the minority and the vast majority are hard working people who are down on their luck. Thing is, pretty much without exception my personal experience is that the folks I know (most of them in my family) who are on government assistance tend to be permanent users. They lie, have more kids, and cheat the system in any way possible. I dislike them intensely and as a result I'm not a big fan of people being on government assistance because I seriously don't think I can come up with one person I know who is honest while on assistance. It also doesn't help that most of the people in my family who are on assistance are multi-generational assistance receivers. They have no interest in ever finding a job or getting off the dole. Oh, and almost all of them do an awful lot of drugs--mostly paid for by government assistance.

So that's why I have a chip on my shoulder. I don't actually think that every single person on aid is a loser, I just know so many that it's hard to keep an open mind.

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We reported less than 20k on our taxes for 2009, down from 39k 5 yrs ago. It's going to be WAY less for 2010 I'm sure, because I didn't work in 2009, and my wages now are like 1/2 what he was getting for UI benefits.

DH has been laid off for more than 1 1/2 yrs and he does search for work. Daily. Unemployment benefits, exhausted. He has a hard time b/c he's almost 55 and has no degree, an old felony charge (from before I knew him), and we live in a state that has hemorrhaged manufacturing jobs, and jobs of types for that matter. The outlet mall here is a retail ghost town! But he keeps trying. He does a little work for a friend that has a farm, and he pays DH a little cash here & there when he can afford to help out. Do we report it? No. I also don't report it every time my mom helps me out with \$50 for gas when I clean out her basement. Does that make us users and cheaters? IMO, no. We just do what we need to do to get by. Rent, utilities, gas & car insurance are not free. And the state doesn't let you claim vehicle expenses in terms of living expenses.

I started my degree program in 2008 and I am set to finish in 11 weeks. I do work, 30+ hrs a week. We do get food stamps & medicaid for DS & DD, but I can tell you this - if we didn't have kids our choice would be to NOT receive assistance. But they are more important than my pride or anyone else's opinion on welfare losers.

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Old 07-19-2010, 11:24 PM

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I think *most* people on govt help need it, are honest and hardworking, even if the work isn't paying off. I'm really glad I can work and contribute to the funds which are spread around to those who need it. I might need it someday, too, and I would hate to think of all those people who judge me for it.

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Old 07-20-2010, 09:09 AM

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This is not directed at anyone in particular - it is not meant as a criticism but is offered as "food for thought" only.

Here is my take on government assistance: it comes in many many different forms and from my perspective, generally speaking, government assistance directed to the poor is considered by many to be an egregious use of taxpayer dollars while government assistance directed to those who are financially better offer is, again generally, considered to be a fair, just and appropriate use of tax dollars.

Corporate bail-outs, reductions in capital gains taxes, \$8000 home buyer tax credits, "Cash for Clunkers".......if I thought about it I could think of many other programs that benefit those for whom our economic system is working pretty nicely. I'm not implying this is necessarily a bad thing - just pointing out that it is.

The numbers of healthy unemployed adults who receive cash assistance for themselves and their children has declined dramatically since time limits and welfare to work programs were instituted. I don't think I can include links, but data on this is easy to find. Our economy benefits mightily from the contribution of the working poor. In fact some would argue our economy as it is now would collapse if all employers were forced to pay all workers a truly living wage. That is why food support, medicaid, and low income housing assistance need to exist - because we as a society have decided to have the type of economy that depends on low wage workers - and yet we force the working poor to live with the stigma of there use.

It is incredibly ironic to me that there is a stigma attached in this country to receiving free health insurance in the form of medicaid when most other economically developed countries consider health care a human right that all citizens receive regardless of income.

Anyway, my point is there are many many hard working contributing Americans that benefit from government assistance programs - at every economic level. And there are many Americans that cheat and lie to get ahead - or to keep their heads above water, as the case may be.
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Old 07-20-2010, 06:01 PM

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I think my DH earns about \$15K lower than the family median income in my area. We live pretty simply and frugally and our house is tiny and furnished with hand me downs. We have no debt other than our mortgage but every bill or tax or insurance is a huge stressor. I've managed to stay home for 7 years and felt it was a smart decision. Now that the youngest one is entering school, I realize I'm not only bored but we can't continue at this financial pace. We can't save for the future, we don't contribute anything at all, hardly, for RESPs or our own retirement. And we have real practical needs in our house that need attending to.

I also have several medical conditions for which I require attention and products that are not full insured or insured at all. My DH's RRSP plan sucks and his benefits are not great too. So in a nutshell, we struggle.

I have to say, I guess I'm having a bad day, but I envy those SAHMs with high incomes. My mom was one and I grew up in a well-to-do household and it DOES make a difference when the parents are not stressed out about making ends meet.
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Old 07-23-2010, 02:52 PM

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our household income is not enough and no one will hire me around my DH's work schedule. There are days when he doesn't go into work until 10am and don't get home until 10:30pm. Others its 7am and don't get home until 6:30pm and then 4am to 5:30pm

By the time 6m rolls around i am too tired to function and i am getting supper ready. I cannot afford daycare for 3 kids. We have a \$590 mortgage payment, and a \$347 truck payment. We don't have home insurance cause it costs too much right now, so yes if anything was to happen to our house we are SO SCREWED. Our Insurance for the trucks is 93.00 a month (for liability and full coverage) Gas for his truck for 2 weeks costs him \$80.00 or maybe a little more. Gas for my truck for 2 weeks is like \$140. I am so glad i saved the majority of my cloth diapers from my last baby to use for this one. I did buy some girly ones though...But as for clothing my kids use handmedowns. I am sad the fact that they use handmedowns cause that's what i used when i was a kid. I wish my DH could make 6 figures a year but sadly its only 5 figures and its not even the high end its the middle. He is getting a 700 bonus though so i am able to get a crib and a stroller for the baby on the 30th. YAY...I am so excited for that..IT SUCKS REALLY.

Oh and if it wasn't for goverment insurance my kids wouldn't have any medical insurance cause we cannot afford that...and all technicality I am paying 192.00 for a year for my kids insurance so yes we do have to pay for it. We do get Foodstamps and i think that's a slap in the face of what we're getting for that..HAHA 25.00 FREAKING DOLLARS A MONTH to SUPPORT A FAMILY OF 5.....HAHAHAHAHAHA Yes that's COrrect...25.00 a month for Foodstamps... STUPID HUH? My SIL get's over 600 a month for her family of 4

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Mom2GCNJ - thank you!
I agree a thousand times over.
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Well I hadn't originally posted details about our income, but since this is still active...

I answered \$95k+, and I was surprised how many others did as well. We live in Austin. Our mortgage is \$160k. I only have one child who just turned one. So far, I have seen very little expense to having a child. (So far). We've spent maybe \$1k tops, including medical, cloth diapers, baby carriers, changing table, toys, clothes. We've probably spent a lot less money in the past year from not doing any fine dining or vacationing.

DP started working when he was 20, making \$50k. That was 7 years ago. His pay has steadily increased, and this past year, he got a larger raise of \$20k, so now we make \$105k/year + \$5-10k/year in bonus. Which feels like so much to us. We don't have medical bills, credit card debt, student loans, or even car loans. We bought our cars in cash. We make the max contribution to 401k and Roth IRA. We invest about \$4k a month into mutual funds, and our checking account keeps getting larger and larger every month. So, even though the value of our investments has gone down maybe \$200k in the past few years, we are still well off.

I can see why even though the poll show the highest percentage of people in the \$95k+ range, very few of us have posted details. It sounds like gloating or it's embarrassing to share your financial comfort while others are struggling.
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Quote:
 Originally Posted by Mom2GCNJ This is not directed at anyone in particular - it is not meant as a criticism but is offered as "food for thought" only. Here is my take on government assistance: it comes in many many different forms and from my perspective, generally speaking, government assistance directed to the poor is considered by many to be an egregious use of taxpayer dollars while government assistance directed to those who are financially better offer is, again generally, considered to be a fair, just and appropriate use of tax dollars. Corporate bail-outs, reductions in capital gains taxes, \$8000 home buyer tax credits, "Cash for Clunkers".......if I thought about it I could think of many other programs that benefit those for whom our economic system is working pretty nicely. I'm not implying this is necessarily a bad thing - just pointing out that it is. The numbers of healthy unemployed adults who receive cash assistance for themselves and their children has declined dramatically since time limits and welfare to work programs were instituted. I don't think I can include links, but data on this is easy to find. Our economy benefits mightily from the contribution of the working poor. In fact some would argue our economy as it is now would collapse if all employers were forced to pay all workers a truly living wage. That is why food support, medicaid, and low income housing assistance need to exist - because we as a society have decided to have the type of economy that depends on low wage workers - and yet we force the working poor to live with the stigma of there use. It is incredibly ironic to me that there is a stigma attached in this country to receiving free health insurance in the form of medicaid when most other economically developed countries consider health care a human right that all citizens receive regardless of income. Anyway, my point is there are many many hard working contributing Americans that benefit from government assistance programs - at every economic level. And there are many Americans that cheat and lie to get ahead - or to keep their heads above water, as the case may be.
Great post.

For what it's worth, I think we need universal health insurance AND living wage laws.

Oh yeah, and income parity between men and women.

I'm glad that someone pointed out government assistance comes in many forms, at many income ranges.

I'd much rather my tax dollars go to the working poor to stabilize the economy and prevent human suffering and poverty. For me, personally, I'm more likely to be working poor myself someday (and grew up in such a household) than say, GM. But then again, I see the economic necessity due to the current state of the economy for some of the bailouts.

I'd like to see more regulation in either direction.

Great post!!
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