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What would you, in general, think of someone who has 15 cats? (And kids as well.) Assume the cats are decently taken care of and this is not a case of pathological pet hoarding.

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Well, 15 cats would be too many for ME to house, lol! For someone who is taking care of them well, and there isn't a hygiene problem in the home, I suppose it could be fine. I'm not sure I would visit often, though, or for long.

If the cats were spraying and leaving feces in the house, not just in a litter box, and the children were exposed to it, I would have real concerns about diseases like toxoplasmosis.

I'd hope the cats were all neutered/spayed and not outdoor cats. That many outdoor cats would wreak havoc on the wildlife in the neighbourhood. In some countries, there's a species extinction problem partly because of domestic cats preying on wildlife.
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Is it a very large home? Is it in the country, where they can go out and roam? Is the person fostering, or are they all hers?
It would be pretty unusual to have 15 cats in a regular city home.

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Personally, I think that any more than two is a sign something's a little off. I've had five at one time...

If the person can take care of all of them, if the house doesn't reek and isn't coated in hair, and if it doesn't negatively affect her family, I'd just figure she loves cats.
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Two. Any beyond that, for me personally, would be difficult to clean up after on a regularly basis with everything else I have going on. Plus, they would be pretty costly in terms of food and litter and vet check-ups and flea control if they're outdoor cats. 15 cats are going to create A LOT of waste and need several litter boxes that I would imagine would need to be cleaned at least once a day. If they're outdoor cats they're going to need routine vet care in order to keep them healthy and I can imagine that 15 cats could get very expensive.

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If 2 CATS are sign that something off what does it say that I have 4 DOGS??

Growing up we had 17 cats and 2 dogs at one time. 3 of our females gave birth within weeks of each other. Boy did that freak the dogs out! These were outdoor cats and still the litter box was nightmare!

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For me, no more than two indoor cats. Any more and I find the amount of hair, tracked litter, and litter/food smell really gross, even if the person is on top of cleaning on a regular basis. I've never been to a house with 3+ cats that has been a really pleasant place to visit for me.
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Two cats. Three if the human's a fastidious housekeeper.

Speaking as someone who's reno-ing my late cat-hoarding aunt's house, after evicting her 12 cats...

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I guess if the home is clean and the pets are well taken care of and not interfering with the needs of the human members of the family, then it's okay, but 15 sounds like a lot to me.

I certainly wouldn't feel comfortable with more than 2 cats in my home. (We can't actually have cats at all since DH is allergic, but if we could, 2 would be my limit.)

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I have 4 cats. One cat goes outside a lot during the day. We do have fur on things, and it's annoying, but I vacuum every day or every other day all over our (small) house. I scoop the litter box twice a day (or more if needed) and we change out the litter once a week, and when I vacuum that includes the bathroom floor. I also wipe down the bathroom counter with a disinfecting wipe every morning because they come out of the litter box and jump up there, and I think it's gross that my DD lays her toothbrush in their litter box foot prints!

I would not have more than 4 cats. Four is a lot to take care of honestly. They are all rescue cats and we never intended to have so many.

I think it's different if you have foster kittens or something like that, because most people who foster keep those cats in one room or one area of the house. They don't just have 20 cats roaming their house.

We had a lady down the street who caught the kittens of the feral cats in our area and took them in her house, tamed them, got them fixed, and intended to find them new homes. She ended up with so many cats. They were constantly surrounding her house outside and kittens were lining the windows inside. The smell was unbelievable! Her heart was in the right place but...it was just nasty. In the heat of the summer you could smell the stench halfway up the street. It even made my 2 year old dry heave once when we walked by!

City officials and animal control came once and then they returned with those white space suits and went inside! I'm not sure what happened, but the lady still had a billion cats for an entire year after that until she moved. Now her house is vacant and they still come by to feed the feral cats outside! We have an entire colony of them in our neighborhood now...

One of my cats came from their colony. She was a tiny fluffy kitten and so sick she couldn't walk. She's a happy, loving indoor kitty now!

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I would say two is still normal, and three or four could happen if you are involved with rescue or something. With 5 plus I think there are some issues going on unless you are actively trying to create a shelter type situation in the country or somewhere with land.
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2-3 sounds like plenty to me - so I would say 15 is a ton of cats.

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It's so easy to get a lot of cats because you see one who is going to be put to sleep or that needs a home, and no one wants it, then you think "well what's one more..."

Slippery slope.

We had six cats in our house for two weeks once when pet sitting and it was too many. Three cats was not bad. Four takes diligent cleaning. Six pushes it over to nasty.

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I always said three was my limit (and two was ideal)...then I worked at a vet's office and got suckered into taking in a stray kitten that was living at the hospital and no one else wanted, so we had 4. I never felt like they were "too many" even in a smallish apartment, but at the same time, we decided we had a "no replacement" policy. One of our oldies passed away last Thanksgiving, and his brother was declining and had to be euthanized a couple months ago, so now we're actually down to two. My mom lives upstairs and has 4 still and is a much better housekeeper than I am, so it's a lot, but doesn't feel like "too many."

So, to me, 4 seems like the high end of normal...more than 4 would kind of weird me out, unless it was a case of barn cats or temporary fostering or something. Having dealt with the litterboxes of four cats, I don't know how anyone could possibly have time to keep up with enough for 15 cats (along with the hair issue if they're all indoors??

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OP here to say:

These are indoor/outdoor cats in a normally sized home in city limits with neighbors close by. The yard is apparently cat-fenced.

I have not been inside the house so I don't know what it's like in there.

I welcome continued opinions. I need to have a tricky conversation with this person (not related to the cats) and want to know if the general feeling is that a person with 15 cats is probably not very stable, or a little off. I think so, but I was wondering if I was being unfair. I also am not sure how common or uncommon it is to have this many cats.

I like cats, but have never had more than one cat at a time myself. To me, two would be okay, 3 is pushing it. I do have a good friend with 5, but she thinks it's way too many herself.

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I have had more than 2 in the past, and things tend to get away from me when I do... so I stick with two. As long as the home is clean and the cats are well cared for, I would think that as long as the family is within the limits of the law (some cities set limits I think), I wouldn't care I guess.

Sometimes a lot of outdoor cats though can really mess with neighbors. Yet indoor cats need space to roam.. are they indoor or outdoor?
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The title of this thread made me

The thought of 15 cats in a home makes me :Puke SO GROSS!!! I have one, and that's plenty - I'll never have more than 1 cat at a time because I HATE litterboxes.

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I would assume that persons house stinks, unless of course they make the cats do thier thing outside.
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I have a friend whose parents have something like 20 cats. I think only maybe 5 or so are indoor cats (plus two dogs). It's more of a situation where there was already a large ferrell cat population in the neighborhood, and she has been trapping them and getting them spayed/neutered. But then once she does that I think she feels obligated to continue to feed them. But at least they're getting spayed/neutered. And honestly, it would be sort of difficult to me to let them starve.

I've always been allergic to their house, even when they only had 2 cats. But I'm relatively allergic to cats anyhow. I think in their case it was more that they'd lived in that house longer than I'd been alive, and the dust/etc had collected. Plus they burned candles which made me allergic, too.

But to the OP- these people are eccentric, but not unstable. Very nice, generally. Actually, a lot MDC people would probably just find them to be normal, but the mainstream would find them a bit odd.

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The yard is apparently cat-fenced.

I welcome continued opinions. I need to have a tricky conversation with this person (not related to the cats) and want to know if the general feeling is that a person with 15 cats is probably not very stable, or a little off. I think so, but I was wondering if I was being unfair. I also am not sure how common or uncommon it is to have this many cats.
I think we all have at least one thing where we could be considered "a little off"

I wouldn't be afraid of someone with 15 cats and a cat-fenced yard To tell you the truth, I kinda think the dog owners that take their babies to the doggie circus-type things are nutty

I think the "crazy cat lady" is a stereotype. Right now, we have 5 (3 unexpected kittens ). I'm not seeing it as too many to handle. I always had barn cats growing up, at least 15 at a time, only a few would come inside.

Cats multiply quickly... I know, duh, right? But through freak circumstances, our little stray got knocked up twice before we could get her spayed. It happens... and we were actively trying to get her spayed both times! Anyway, if we hadn't found homes for the first litter, we would now have 8. If mama cat had 2 large litters, and we didn't find homes, we could have 15 at this moment in time. But you bet your bippy, I'd be trying to find homes, it's too much for me and 2 littles.

I'd love to get some cat-proof fencing, so I could keep the kittens we have now

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I have a friend whose parents have something like 20 cats. I think only maybe 5 or so are indoor cats (plus two dogs). It's more of a situation where there was already a large ferrell cat population in the neighborhood, and she has been trapping them and getting them spayed/neutered. But then once she does that I think she feels obligated to continue to feed them. But at least they're getting spayed/neutered. And honestly, it would be sort of difficult to me to let them starve.
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But to the OP- these people are eccentric, but not unstable. Very nice, generally. Actually, a lot MDC people would probably just find them to be normal, but the mainstream would find them a bit odd.


I was going to comment on how 15 sounds like way too many, but then I thought of my mil's best friend who does what this pp said. So I guess it really depends on the person & situation. No help, I know.

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My parents have close to that right now, but they have a barn. They do, however, attend to them and bring them in when they're sick or such, so while most of them spend most of their time outdoors, they're accustomed to coming inside and a few have decided they're not really interested in going back out.

Anyway, my point is there are reasons sometimes cats can just sort of accumulate. My sister used to have a ton of cats (and one opposum) more or less living on or around her patio, because there were so many stray cats wandering her apartment complex who looked malnourished that she couldn't bear to not put out food. I like to think that's more her having a heart than being crazy.
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If the cats were spraying and leaving feces in the house, not just in a litter box, and the children were exposed to it, I would have real concerns about diseases like toxoplasmosis.
Simply having cats is not a risk factor for toxoplasmosis. It's where the cats live and what they eat that determines whether or not they're likely carriers. Cats get toxoplasmosis from going outside and eating infected animals (like wild birds and mice). If cats are kept indoors and eat a commercial kibble diet or properly handled human grade raw food, the likeliness that they can shed toxoplasmosis is very slim.

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In the United States, people are much more likely to become infected through eating raw meat and unwashed fruits and vegetables than from handling cat feces.
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The most I've had is two and that is plenty for me.

Cats have a way of just appearing though. My friend had/has two cats. Then, her boyfriend moved in with her and he came with a cat. Last year, they bought a house together. The previous owner had been feeding 3 outdoor cats and left them without telling my friend. So, my soft-hearted friend suddenly has six cats.

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My mom has about that many on a rotating basis. She lives in the country and made the mistake of feeding a couple strays 10+ years ago and since then they've just appeared and disappeared at random. A mama will come, have her babies and stick around, some babies die (meaning get on the road or get eaten by an animal, not dying from my mom not taking care of them) some just run off (usually the toms) but right NOW I think she has 13. One of her toms she had for about a year ran off.

She feeds/waters them, worms them, takes them to the vet when they're really sick.

Anyway, too many comes when you're unable to take care of them properly. If you can't feed them or take them then it's too many. So 'too many' varies person to person.

Legally, inside city limits in my town 'too many'= 4.

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What would you, in general, think of someone who has 15 cats? (And kids as well.) Assume the cats are decently taken care of and this is not a case of pathological pet hoarding.
Okay, I have 5 kids and am afraid of cats. 15 kids and/or 15 cats is too much for me, even if everybody is outside quite a bit each day. Are the cats all neutered or spayed rather than multiplying like bunnies?

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The most I've had is two and that is plenty for me.

Cats have a way of just appearing though. My friend had/has two cats. Then, her boyfriend moved in with her and he came with a cat. Last year, they bought a house together. The previous owner had been feeding 3 outdoor cats and left them without telling my friend. So, my soft-hearted friend suddenly has six cats.
Yep, totally agree. I started with one and agreed to keep a friend's 2 cats (sister cats) while they were living abroad. Long story short, my friend ended up living abroad permanently and and now I have 3 kitties, which is my absolute limit.

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We have one cat and we foster kitten litters. The most cats we've had in our home at one time is 7 and I think that is too many! I can't imagine if I had 15 permanent residents!

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The most I ever had was 6 cats. My Cleo, her brother and Cleo's 4 kittens (by a stray tom).

They all lived outdoors, so I guess you can say I was feeding 7 cats (clearly there was at least one other male coming around

We had kept Cleo and her twin inside for the first 8 months we had them. And after the baby was born I couldn't handle the mess the two of them made in the bathroom anymore. On top of other things (counters, scratching baby blankets) So they went outside and were 10 times easier to care for.

Last year we took in a young cat and she was the messiest thing ever! She was gone as soon as spring was here, we re-homed, and suggested she be indoor/outdoor because her litter box was a nightmare.

I don't want anymore cats! Cleo is still around, but she's strictly outdoor, she doesn't even like being indoors anymore.

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Very sore subject with me. Growing up we always had at least 7 or so indoor/outdoor cats and they were treated golden. Our house never smelled or anything. We had one outdoor cow dog (we were in the country)
Now my mom has 2 huge indoor dogs, and ten or so indoor/outdoor cats. THey are treated very well, spayed, wormed, vet visits, treated like royalty.
I think two is too many, personally, after living in that.

My brother has at least thirty-yes, thirty cats. They are primarily outdoor but about 8 live in the house, and while he strives to be super clean, his house still smells like a cat, and tons of cat hair everywhere and I can't breathe after being there for long. He has his cats fixed, wormed, vet visits-he buys so much cat food he hardly buys food for himself. I think it's insane.

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