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I am wondering if people here sometimes don't vaccinate their dogs. 

 

 

Also, do you give internal flea prevention?

 

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It looks like your post might have been missed, so I'm bumping it up for attention. :bump: Anyone have experiences to share?


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I do vaccinate my dog. She occasionally stays at a wonderful kennel on a sheep farm and current vaccines are required.
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Our dog (a five-year-old lab-pit mix) was fully vaccinated as a puppy but as I started researching the topic more I started giving him fewer vaccines.  Now the only one he receives is the rabies vaccination every three years as required by the county I live in.  My vet automatically gave the rabies vax every year, but I requested he receive it every three years instead, which is the minimum he will do.  I know you can have titers drawn (not all vets do them but if you call around you can probably find one who will) and make your decision based on their antibody status.  It is a little more pricey but not too bad.  I also do not give the dog any sort of flea treatments, internal or external.  We have never seen a flea on him or anywhere in our house.  If he did get fleas I would treat it naturally and only turn to the stronger medications as a last resort.  One thing he does get is a monthly heartworm medication.  Our dog is an indoor dog that spends a lot of time outside with us.  He is never really outside by himself though, except for a few minutes to go potty, and then he wants to come right back inside to be with us.  If he lived outside most of the time I might do things a little bit differently.  We never board him - we are lucky enough to have family and friends who live in the area that are happy to watch him if we have to leave him for a weekend now and then, but we try to take him pretty much everywhere we go - but if you have to leave your dog at a kennel from time to time that would be a consideration too.

 

Edited to add that I did lose a puppy to parvo once.  I was only 13 so I can't remember exactly how old she was, but we thought her previous owners had her vaccinated and they hadn't.  I would do parvo and distemper for puppies, but probably not annually for their entire lives.

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I lost a much-loved cat to distempter and a much-loved dog to parvovirus. Even though both were caught early on and received immediate and continuous veterinary care ($$$$), both ultimately died from the diseases. It was horrid. Absolutely horrid. I don't plan to go through that again. All future pets will receive the full set of shots initially, and then titers (with vaccinations as necessary) afterwards.
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We stopped vaccinating our younger dog (currently almost 11) at 2 and our older dog (currently 14) at 5, when we got him. The younger one still gets a 3 year rabies shot, older one doesn't. If I got a puppy (unlikely) I would have to do some research but right now I'm leaning towards a (possibly modified) puppy series of vaccines, and maybe another set at a year old or so. If I got another older dog typically the rescue/shelter would have give them vaccines to bring them "up to date" so I would probably not do additional ones.

 

Re: flea medication, we only had a problem with fleas once when our dog picked them up from a newly-adopted playmate who came to our house. Since then we've reduced vaccines and other medication and switched to a raw diet and haven't had any other issues despite frequent visits to a dog park for several years and a couple of stays at a boarding kennel. I think this is largely geographical though, in some areas it may be a very good idea and if I tried going without and had repeated issues with fleas I would consider the medication.

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Yes, and my kids too. ;-) I just bought the 7 in 1 shots from the farm supply store and gave my dogs their shots myself. I'm a nurse and this was easy to do for me, not to mention it was only $5.99 per dog. I still need to get their rabies shots at the clinic because it's a live virus and needs to be handled by a vet.


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I wish I didn't have to but it's required here to have him licensed, so yes we do get his Rabbies Vaccine:( 

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I have a rescue dog so he was vaccinated but now that he's with us he doesn't get any. He's on a raw food diet and is extremely healthy.

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As puppies, yes, I get the recommended shots. Considering that I want my dog to be able to participate in dog sports, accompany me out and about, and walk in the woods with me I think vaccines are a must. 

 

I don't believe that vaccines every year for everything is necessary, however, once full adulthood is reached. I have a vet who is cautious about vaccines, doesn't do rabies along with anything else on a visit, and is generally a great vet. He spoke in depth with me about how vaccine challenges are done, and what it really means for a one year vs three year vaccine. 

 

While I think not giving some vaccines is choice, not giving rabies at least every 3 years is dangerous. Besides the risk of the disease, there's the risk of being immediatly put down due to unknown vaccine status in case of an accidental bite or scratch.


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No vax or flea/tic meds. I have spent 20 years researching vaccines, and don't vax my children so why would I vax my dog? Our dog is three year old, and we have had him since he was 9 1/2 weeks old, he has never had a flea on him. He has never needed a sick visit to the vet either.


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I vaccinate all three of my dogs. However, I choose not to give them a Bordetella vaccine because I never board them in kennels and such.

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Dogs/all pets are over-vaccinated b/c it is money in the vets' pockets. It is proving to cause cancer b/c annual vaccines are completely unnecessary.

And nursing puppies receiving vaccinations are also not helped because the antibodies in the mother's milk "washes" the vaccines out of their systems.

You can do titer testing (testing the antibodies in the blood) to see if your pet really needs repeat vaccines, but it is unusual that they do, after the first round in puppyhood (after weaning).

Dr Dodds is an excellent source: http://drjeandoddspethealthresource....-protocol-2012

Do your research to make the best, most informed decisions I don't 100% trust doctors or vets. I feel like they care less about preventing disease and illness than they should (aka turning a blind eye to side effects caused by vaccines and flea toxins).

As for fleas, we spray our animals down with a natural dog spray made of citronella and lavender and tea tree. You cannot use these on cats though! We live on 8 acres in a tick infested area and we do not ever have fleas or ticks.

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When I got my dog as a puppy, I had her vaccinated. She loves to play with other dogs, and I figured it'd be better if she didn't get sick. In my opinion, it's similar to how you don't want your child to get sick from playing with other kids. I just want my dog to be as healthy as she can without having to worry about her becoming sick. I'd rather spend a few hundred dollars to have her vaccinated than spend a lot more to make her better.
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He has never needed a sick visit to the vet either.
You're lucky. I had a similar plan with my Becky (a 2 year old Yorkshire Terrier). I always though nature somehow takes care of us, that we don't need medication as badly as we think. Unfortunately, Becky got the encephalitis when she was young, but we saved it just in time with post-vaccination. So you should think very well before acting (or not acting).
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You're lucky. I had a similar plan with my Becky (a 2 year old Yorkshire Terrier). I always though nature somehow takes care of us, that we don't need medication as badly as we think. Unfortunately, Becky got the encephalitis when she was young, but we saved it just in time with post-vaccination. So you should think very well before acting (or not acting).
I am not lucky, I understand what is required to ensure a body is healthy, and one of those things is abstaining for all vaccines and insectisides, the other vital thing is not feeding commercial pet food. My dog has been raw fed since we got him as a puppy. My unvaccinated teenage children have also never had any sick visit to the doctors either.

Vaccines can induce encephalitis, as can natural infection, but there has to be deficiencies in a body for that to happen naturally. I do not base my decisions on other people's anecdotes or fearporn (however soft), I make my choices based on my knowledge (gained over 20 years of research). Sorry your dog got sick.

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I am not lucky, I understand what is required to ensure a body is healthy, and one of those things is abstaining for all vaccines and insectisides, the other vital thing is not feeding commercial pet food. My dog has been raw fed since we got him as a puppy. My unvaccinated teenage children have also never had any sick visit to the doctors either.

Vaccines can induce encephalitis, as can natural infection, but there has to be deficiencies in a body for that to happen naturally. I do not base my decisions on other people's anecdotes or fearporn (however soft), I make my choices based on my knowledge (gained over 20 years of research). Sorry your dog got sick.
There is an issue here. The encephalitis is not caused by a body deficiency, it is caused by a bacteria: bacterial endocarditis. If you take it, it doesn't matter how healthy you are, how good you eat, how much sleep you take. You just get sick. No matter how much research you make into staying healthy, you won't get away with this. By your logic, any healthy people that live a good natural life have nothing to fear. That is simply not true, it's a childish view of the world we live in.
I hope you understand that if there wasn't a post-vaccine available, Becky would have died.

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There is an issue here. The encephalitis is not caused by a body deficiency, it is caused by a bacteria: bacterial endocarditis. If you take it, it doesn't matter how healthy you are, how good you eat, how much sleep you take. You just get sick. No matter how much research you make into staying healthy, you won't get away with this. By your logic, any healthy people that live a good natural life have nothing to fear. That is simply not true, it's a childish view of the world we live in.
I hope you understand that if there wasn't a post-vaccine available, Becky would have died.
You are quite wrong, nutrition has everything to do with how the body reacts to so-called pathogens. Our our cells are 90% bacteria, so by your reckoning we should all be dead, but luckily we have what is called an immune system to handle microbes that are causing inflammation (which is what encephalitis is). When you feed a body, processed, GMO laden, pesticide-grown species inappropriate foods, you are asking for trouble, these types of foods can release antibodies that damage the cells of the body and can lead to autoimmune disfunction.

We have nearly 100 trillion bacteria, fungi, viruses, and other microorganisms that compose the body's microflora, and science has shown very clearly that these organisms play a major role in health, both mental and physical. In fact beneficial bacteria, also know as probiotics, has been shown to counteract inflammation and control the growth of bacteria. However, if our immune system isn't functioning well, due to stress, poor nutrition and toxins, things don't work the way they should and inflammation like encephalitis.

Oh, I have no clue what you mean by a post-vaccine, except that vaccines can and do cause encephalitis. Perhaps you would care to post a link to what a post-vaccine is.

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One thing he does get is a monthly heartworm medication.
I was wondering about heartworm medications. Is it a pill that can be given at home with food or is it a shot that needs to be done at vet's office?
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Heartworm meds are in pill form usually chewables.

http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites...heartworm.aspx

Heartworm incidence map

It is likely that the CO heartworm incidence came from dogs brought out of state to rescues/human societies. Heartworm really isn't a problem in CO.

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I am not lucky, I understand what is required to ensure a body is healthy, and one of those things is abstaining for all vaccines and insectisides, the other vital thing is not feeding commercial pet food. My dog has been raw fed since we got him as a puppy. My unvaccinated teenage children have also never had any sick visit to the doctors either.
Mirzam, to play a devil's advocate here, I do have to say that such statement does rub me the wrong way. My son is 9 and was partially vaccinated in the first 8 months of his life (he got three shots at 4, 6 and 8 months of age), after that I started researching vaccines and stopped. My daughter (turning 8 in November) has never had any vaccine or shot at all. I breastfed them till they were 4 and 2.5 years of age (when they weaned together). We live in area with clean air, we have a good water filter (including fluoride) for our drinking water and another filter to filter out the chlorine from our house (bathtub, shower) water. My kids eat low sugar diet, we eat only high quality foods (mostly organic and cooked from scratch), we eat only good quality meats. They have never eaten conventional "junk food". They are off of their "silent" food allergies (like gluten, etc)...as a nutritional consultant I do take it very seriously. I give them good quality vitamins and minerals when needed (including multi, magnesium, vitamin D, vit C (when sick), zinc (for my son with eczema), so I am pretty sure they have no nutritional deficiencies (once again something I take very seriously as I myself gave many talks on subject of nutritional deficiencies). They exercise regularly. They never had tylenol, ibuprofen or aspirin in their life. Yet, they do get sick during cold season and so do I. Both my son and my daughter have food allergies, though my son does have more (what I call silent food allergies, which do not cause an obvious allergic reaction, but does cause bad eczema in case of my son). Sickness-wise, everything their friends bring to school or playdates (cold, flu), they have, too and so do I.

My first dog, who ended up dying a horrible slow death from heart damage by heartworms at age of 9, was always fed raw meats (most of the time, wild hunted meats, as my dad was a hunter), raw bones and raw sault water fish. He too used to get sick from time to time. And after almost each deworming I saw dead worms in his stool. He also had fleas on more than one occasion and he clearly had heartworms.

I do agree with you that correct nutrition (what I call 'species-specific diet') will help both humans and dogs reach 100% of their own health potential--which is different for everyone--but it does not guarantee robust health or lack of sickness. There are times of stress, times of jumping all over the place weather (which does challenge the immune system), the very times when they are vulnerable to a disease. And it IS normal. Health is not about absence of a viral disease, like cold or flu, it is about how your body deals with that, in my opinion. And of course, distemper and parvo are no colds, so they do need to be considered seriously and not taken lightly.

I am glad your teen son is so healthy, hopefully this will never change. And I do expect my kids to get sick less and less too as they get older and their immune system becomes more and more mature. This is just one of the benefits of growing up

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I also have a 24 year old who was partially vaccinated and she too was/is super healthy, no allergies, chronic conditions etc, she never required antibotics as a child, the only sick visit she had was for a stomach virus as a 9 month old, which cleared up in a couple of days anyway. (She has had two rounds antibotics in her life as an adult for dental work.)

The thing you need to understand is epigenetics, and the effects of generational toxins, stress, malnutrition on health; what your mother experienced, ate or did not eat has affected your children. This is the same for animals. My dog is only 1st generation naturally reared, ie raw fed, no vax, or chemical wormers etc. Many breeders now have 5 plus generation dogs and they are amazing!

I am not going to get into a lengthy discussion on health on this board its not the place, but it seems I have a somewhat different understanding of health and healing than you, which is fine. Good nutrition should be the cornerstone of robust health and wellbeing, you cannot get health from a needle or a chemical preventative, IMO.

My unvaxxed teens continue to be healthy, even though they now do eat less than optimally than I would like. My son travels extensively with his soccer team and has to eat what is provided etc. We do the best we can.

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The thing you need to understand is epigenetics, and the effects of generational toxins, stress, malnutrition on health; what your mother experienced, ate or did not eat has affected your children. This is the same for animals. My dog is only 1st generation naturally reared, ie raw fed, no vax, or chemical wormers etc. Many breeders now have 5 plus generation dogs and they are amazing.
I DO understand it (not sure you understand that I do alternative health for a living ), this is exactly why, without going into long discussion, I simply said that 100% health potential is different for everyone. One simply can't jump above their head, so to speak, so if your 100% health potential is lower than your next door neighbors due to multiple factors, this is just what it is. With our family, for example, my health was ruined by my nurse practitioner mom who would give me a round of antibiotics every time I'd get sick as a child (or pretend to be sick to not go to school), combined with diet high in sugar and white flour (so you can imagine how messed up my bacterial make up is dispite using every probiotic under the sun). So my kids have that compromised, too. I was raised in a very polluted city, that mined and processed a heavy metal, nickel. That too does not go unnoticed health-wise. So of course my kids' health is where it is now, dispite my constant efforts to improve it. This is exactly my point, actually! This is exactly why I would be very careful when it comes to recommending someone to not vaccinate their pup for potentially fatal diseases.

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This is exactly why I would be very careful when it comes to recommending someone to not vaccinate their pup for fatal diseases.

This is where we disagree. I don't think vaccines are going to prevent these diseases as effectively as a strong fully functioning immune system (my experience even in a 1st generation naturally reared dog), and in return for this false sense of security (most parvo occurs in vaccinated puppies), we give our dogs chronic diseases, 'allergies', cancer etc, not to mention line the pockets of vets.

Parvo, distemper, adenovirus are not a forgone conclusion in an unvaccinated animal.

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The encephalitis is not caused by a body deficiency, it is caused by a bacteria: bacterial endocarditis.
So...correct me if I'm wrong...

endo = within
card = heart
itis = inflammation


Am I close so far?

So endocarditis would be a medical condition and not the name of a type of bacteria. What bacteria caused the endocarditis in your dog?

Or was it encephalitis?

en = in
ceph = head
itis - inflammation

Sorry, it's hard to believe an anecdote so full of inaccuracies. I am sorry that you lost your dog.

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