That's what is so sad, this dog was pick of the litter, he was just like his dad. Part of the responsibility I feel for him is that they had a shepherd puppy before him who had been coming to daycare for 2 weeks when our group was attacked by a dumped ex pit fighting pit bull. The older dogs were off leash (we hike on a neighbors farm property, with our property 275 acres and they have riding trails that are well maintained) and I guess this pit watched the pack go by and then jumped the puppy-he was on a leash--so he'd be safe
Anyway, he was killed instantly and it took Havoc and another big daycare dog named Munster almost 20 minutes of attacking the pit to get him to let go of the puppy (I never let go of the lead) The owners understood (all my clients did actually) they kept telling me they weren't mad, how could I have known he'd be safer off leash, etc etc. I felt so badly for them though and when Havoc's next litter was born I offered them Shadow and they took him. They are good pet owners, just maybe a little too good ya know? They love that dog to death, they worship the ground he walks on--that's part of the problem--he's a strong, powerfull dog who decided if none of the humans were going to take the lead, he'd have to.
I used to have hope of retraining him, I wrote everything out for them, I told them the dog HAD to go on a diet, they had to quit doting on him and they had to take up the sea of dog toys laying around. He was given more food than they could stuff down his gullet, and more toys and attention than he could even want and he never had to work for any of it, so he just rules the roost. I kept him for 2 weeks and he only ate out of my hand and only when he did something to deserve it and the improvement was amazing, they followed through for about a month, then just reverted back to old ways. Honestly they just love this dog so much they don't even see his faults, I'm just really worried that in their denial, somebody is going to get hurt.
So, unfortunately, I've already done all the talking, I've even done some obedience work with him for free but I guess at some point I have to throw in the towel.
Oh, and Annette, I already get the grannie thing--Havoc's breeder, I always used to call her Grandma Sheena and she hated it, then when Havoc started producing puppies she started calling me Grannie :LOL